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发表于 2011-11-21 11:26:38 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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看完之后感觉各种悲凉~按理说阿三的英语比中国人还普遍强一些 也就是说top business school里中国人的录取率估计是全球最低的。。。sigh

MBA applicants from India and China face significantly higher rates of rejection by many top U.S. business schools than either domestic candidates or those from Europe or Latin America, according to a new study by Poets&Quants. In some cases, the acceptance rate for U.S. citizens is four to five times higher than the rate of acceptance for Indian and Chinese applicants.At some prominent business schools, international applicants now outnumber those from the U.S. That’s the case at MIT Sloan, Duke University’s Fuqua School, and Michigan’s Ross School of Business. At Purdue University’s Krannert School nearly eight out of ten in its latest MBA applicant pool were international. At Washington University’s Olin School of Business, 70% of last year’s 1,490 applicants to its full-time MBA program were non-U.S.
Yet, at all of these prestige B-schools the percentage of international students who are admitted and enrolled fall far behind the percentage who apply. At Washington’s Olin School, for example, only 35% of the latest entering class is international–even though international candidates made up 70% of the school’s applicant pool. Although 53% of the 3,452 applicants to Fuqua’s full-time MBA program were international, only 30% of the students in this fall’s entering class are not from the U.S.
A RARE AND UNUSUAL GLIMPSE AT THE APPLICANT POOLS OF TOP B-SCHOOLS
The rarely seen data on the makeup of the MBA applicant pool–as opposed to the actual students enrolled–comes from B-schools which have supplied this information for the first time to Bloomberg BusinessWeek. Not all schools agreed to hand over this data. Harvard, Stanford, Wharton and Columbia were among the top institutions that declined to provide this information. Yet, most business schools, including some of the most prominent, complied with the request to shed light on their applicant pools.
APPLICANTS FROM INDIA & CHINA FACE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER RATES OF REJECTION
Though schools disclosed information for all their international applicants, admission officials say the major problem is with Indian and Chinese MBA candidates largely because there are so many of them. An internal admissions report obtained by Poets&Quants from a top ten business school certainly supports that conclusion. The report reveals that applicants from China and India are more than four to five times likely to be turned down for admission than either domestic applicants or those from Europe, Latin America, Africa or the Middle East.
Last year, for example, 20% of the applications received by the school were from China and other Asian countries while 22% were from India. The school’s acceptance rate for the Chinese and Indian applicants was 10% and 8%, respectively. The acceptance rate for U.S. citizens was 39%–four to five times higher.
International applicants from other regions of the world fared much better than the Asians. The school accepted 39% of its European applicants, and 26% of its applicants from Latin America and the Middle East. The overall acceptance rate was just a tad above 25%.
Admission officials say there are many reasons for the discrepancy between the size of the international applicant pool and the students ultimately enrolled at their schools, from a need to craft more balanced and diverse classes to language difficulties that make some international students less attractive to the job market. No less important, they say, is their own inability to meet the expectations of students from China and India to stay in the U.S. and gain visas to work here after graduation.
INTERNATIONAL APPLICANTS VIEWED FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A RECRUITER
“We’re looking at it from the perspective of a corporate recruiter hiring our class two years later,” explains John Roeder, admissions director for Vanderbilt University’s Owen School of Business. At Owen, international applicants made up 45% of the 1,013 applicants who applied for admission to this fall’s entering class. But only 25% of the class is composed of international students.
“The language difficulties come into play, too,” adds Roeder. “It’s a hurdle that has to be overcome. Any international student coming into a U.S. school has more hurdles to overcome than a domestic student in terms of the job search. It’s a highly competitive process. The bottom line is we want our students to come into our program and be highly successful landing a good job. If they can’t do that, we haven’t done our job. We don’t want unhappy students or unhappy alumni.”
At the University of Southern California’s Marshall School of Business, 44% of the 1,826 applicants to its full-time MBA program last year were international—but only 21% of the school’s enrolled students this year are from outside the U.S. The upshot: 17.2% of the U.S. applicants are now students at Marshall, while only 5.6% of the international applicants are students. It’s not possible to tell how many domestic versus international applicants were accepted and declined an invitation to attend Marshall. But U.S. citizens are more than three times as likely to be enrolled at the school than international applicants.
“WE DON’T WANT TO CREATE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE CAN’T MEET.”
“In general, what you’re seeing across all universities, whether it is business school or college, is that the largest applicant pools by far are from China and India,” explains Shantanu Dutta, vice dean for graduate programs at Marshall. “They are very good applicants. It’s possible for us to fill the whole international pool by just one of these countries. But it’s very important to get diversity in the class. We have students from 18 countries, and candidates from China and India already make up the largest number of international students.”
Another key issue, adds Dutta, is the difficulty international students have getting work visas to stay in the U.S. “The hurdle rate for them in terms of getting visas is challenging,” says Dutta. “Most international students still believe in the American dream. We tell them the market is tough in the information sessions and try to manage expectations, but when they come everyone thinks they can beat the odds.
So we’re more selective on the international front. We don’t want to create expectations that we can’t meet.”
Or consider Duke University’s Fuqua School of Business. Last year, about 1,830 applicants from abroad applied for admission to the full-time MBA program. All told, international applicants accounted for 53% of Fuqua’s entire applicant pool. Yet only some 133, or 7.3%, are enrolled in the entering class. In the same year, some 1,622 U.S. citizens applied, representing the remaining 47% of the pool, and roughly 309 of them, or 19.1%, are enrolled. It’s clear that international applicants have a much harder time of getting into the school.
MBA admissions consultants say that most schools are trying to balance the diversity of an entering class with the merit of the applicants who apply. “In creating an MBA class, top business schools face the challenge of establishing ‘a meritocracy with diversity,’” says Dan Bauer, founder and managing director of The MBA Exchange, an admissions consulting firm. “Balancing meritocracy and diversity means that neither aspect can be disregarded. When these two variables are not considered in tandem, the admission process ceases to be objective and fair.”
(See next page for a table comparing applicant pools with enrolled MBA students)
SchoolTotal 2011 Applicants
International Applicants
Int’l Students Enrolled
Percentage Difference
Washington (Olin)1,49070%35%-35
Emory (Goizueta)96858%34%-24
Duke (Fuqua)3,45253%30%-23
USC (Marshall)1,82644%21%-23
Boston University1,32259%36%-23
Michigan (Ross)2,92955%33%-22
Purdue (Krannert)67978%58%-20
Vanderbilt (Owen)1,01345%25%-20
Texas-Austin (McCombs)2,25340%24%-16
UNC (Kenan-Flagler)1,72047%32%-15
MIT (Sloan)4,49052%38%-14
New York (Stern)4,41641%28%-13
Northwestern (Kellogg)4,49045%34%-11
UCLA (Anderson)2,72747%36%-11
Univ. of Washington (Foster)55838%27%-11
Source: Business schools reporting to Bloomberg BusinessWeek
Notes: Table shows the percentage of international students in the most recent applicant pool for each business school and the percentage of international students who enrolled in the latest entering class in the fall of 2011
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沙发
发表于 2011-11-21 13:23:03 | 只看该作者
it is unfortunate, but ‘谁叫你生在中国呢’,sigh...
板凳
发表于 2011-11-21 13:42:20 | 只看该作者
本质跟高考类似

同样考清华大学,北京考生跟山东考生,四川考生比,当然优势大得多

估计商学院招生,就划定了:中国,印度,欧洲,拉丁美洲,中东/非洲,加拿大各占5%,另外70%就美国公民/绿卡,然后一个pool里面的人就自己争去吧

所以,其实你根本不是跟别的国家的人竞争,你还是跟中国人自己竞争...
地板
发表于 2011-11-21 23:08:24 | 只看该作者
其实你根本不是跟别的国家的人竞争,你还是跟中国人自己竞争...

SIGH...
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发表于 2011-11-22 00:20:04 | 只看该作者
" 估计商学院招生,就划定了:中国,印度,欧洲,拉丁美洲,中东/非洲,加拿大各占5%,另外70%就美国公民/绿卡,然后一个pool里面的人就自己争去吧"

这个数据那里来的?
6#
发表于 2011-11-22 02:47:58 | 只看该作者
再往下细分的话,印度IT工程师难度更大...
7#
发表于 2011-11-22 03:40:05 | 只看该作者
indian IT male is the death spell in MBA application...
8#
发表于 2011-11-22 05:35:09 | 只看该作者
这个帖子的回帖也很有意思,建议大家看看原文:

http://poetsandquants.com/2011/11/19/indian-chinese-mba-applicants-face-higher-rejection/
9#
发表于 2011-11-24 20:20:13 | 只看该作者
没办法,世界上人口最多的两个国家,自然竞争激烈。如果外国人申中欧或是HKUST还是比中国人容易录取。所以其实跟高考那个还不太一样。
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发表于 2011-11-26 03:54:43 | 只看该作者
这很正常,申请的人本来就多,这样录取率就低了。但是top schools里中国和印度人绝对数量上是最多的。
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