OG12 第7题还让不让人用被动语态了？

wanrita · 发表于 2010-9-24 01:21:38

7.As its sales of computer products have surpassed those of measuring instruments, the company has become increasingly willing to compete for the mass market sales they would in the past have conceded to rivals.
(A) they would in the past have conceded to rivals
(B) they would have conceded previously to their rivals
(C) that in the past would have been conceded previously to rivals
(D) it previously would have conceded to rivals in the past
(E) it would in the past have conceded to rivals
解析：
1.逻辑：“由于…，该公司越发想去夺取那些它过去会让给竞争对手的大众市场销售”
2.数的一致：从逻辑意思看，划线从句主语代词应指代the company，且从has increasingly..判断，应用单数。排除AB
3.重复： in the past 与 previously，排除C
4.修饰对象：D里的in the past 放最后，就不知道是修饰would have conceded 还是rivals了。排除D，如果是前者，那就是重复问题了
5.省略: 定语从句引导词如在从句里作宾语，则that可省，如作主语，不能省（注意：如果是从句套从句，即此定从被套在其他从句里，最好不省，不然有歧义），本题sales和they之间就是省去了that 的

问题：C的被动语态怎么就不好了？（光就这一个问题，不扯它重复的事，那个俺知道）

看了好多解释，无非两种解释：1，说施动者不明；2，说主动优于被动。

我还觉得顺山顺水的呢，前面就是mass market sales, 后面直接以它作主语，说明到底是哪个sales，接得挺好的啊，人就盯紧了这个sales说了，从句把sale当主体了，很顺眼嘛。
1.施动都也挺明的啊，句子就那么几个主词，从句还说了“被让给对手”，让销售的施动都只能是the company, 比DE项隔天远跑出个it要好多了。------以前解释还说隔远了不好，这下咋又好了呢。

2."主动优于被动" 这可以借鉴，但不能当真理。不然英语为啥要创个被动语态？

3.针对解释说被动“weak”的说法，是weak, 我承认，但用在这个地方也不需要多强势啊。人句子主要想表达“这个公司越来越想夺这个市场”，没必要在在说明啥市场的时候如此之“strong”吧。（再说了个人意见觉得用被动更能强调迫于无奈，以前没本事，丢了这部分销售；何必强调我主动让给人家呢。）
4.针对解释说被动“ambiguous”的说法, 咋就ambiguous，我猜指的就是“施动者不明”吧，还不明说，小样！

呃....可以被这题整上火了，感觉自己像泼妇，不好不好，收敛收敛~

好吧好吧，自己发泄过程中好像有点感觉主动好了。因为现在主动的要与过去主动的放（拱手相让）形成对比。呃.....就当把自己敷衍过去了吧，睡觉！

streamtan · 发表于 2010-10-24 14:10:57

同感，哪位NN给解释一下！

米米喵 · 发表于 2010-10-24 16:39:19

没办法~GMAT的原则就是这样呗~习惯就好~

youyouttoo · 发表于 2010-10-25 03:33:07

Well, in my opinion, it is just a matter of clearance (besides the redundent staff). The subject of the main clause is the "company", it has become more willing to do sth that in the past it would not have done. This structure implies a contrast in the attitude of a firm towards a same thing. Basicly, it is more clear to keep the whole sentence within the control of a single subject. In other words, a switch of logic subject within a sentence (i mean a clause, excluding those such as "Although clause 1, clause 2") can be misleading or at least unclear.
A has done sth (that) it would not have done in the past. It is clear that A changes its mind.
A has done sth (that) would not have been done (by A). I can not see any sense to make such a sentense. Without (by A) it is not clear who starts the action; with "by A" the sentense is in absolute disadvantage when compared to "A would have done".

cliffyin · 发表于 2011-1-20 00:44:17

LZ的困惑和我一样，后来我是这样理解的。

原意为 the company would in the past have conceded the mass maket sales to rivals
放到句中作从句，...(省略that) it(the company) would have conceded to rivals.
如果是被动结构，应该是：...that (the mass market sales) would have been conceded to rivals.

所以，C的问题应该主要是重复了previously和in the past吧；被动语态更weak，那也没话说；但是说被动语态ambiguous确实不太明白，因为从句的主语不是主句的主语？那不正是从句存在的原因么？

不晓，求解！

bo布 · 发表于 2011-1-20 20:47:36

求解

xueying0131 · 发表于 2011-5-23 10:35:16

同问啊，呼唤大牛

elsachialee · 发表于 2011-5-23 12:50:33

被楼主一问以后，我也反复思考这个问题啊。。。
然后去度娘看concede这个单词的意思。
及物动词 vt.
1.
(勉强)承认[+that]
The candidate conceded that he had lost the election.
这位候选人承认他已经在竞选中失败。
2.
让给,给予;容许[O1][(+to)]
They conceded us the right to cross their land.
他们容许我们在他们的土地上有过路权。
3.
(在结果明确前)承认...失败

不及物动词 vi.
1.
让步
2.
承认失败
The senator had to concede.
参议员只好承认竞选失败。

貌似句子里头是说。。conceded to rivals。那么这里的conceded应该是不及物动词的用法。表示让步或者承认失败。就是说。。the company 对竞争对手让步了，让了大众市场销售的。我假想这个动作应该是the company主动发出的。如果用被动的话，不知道是被谁逼的，所以他让出了大众市场销售，我们可以假想是竞争对手逼迫的，也有可能是政府逼迫的，或者。。其它。所以被动没有实施者，所以。。。概念模糊。。。就ambiguous了。

非牛。。揣测中。。。

MillionaireCL · 发表于 2012-9-1 23:03:41

求助!!
我不是来纠结定语从句的，我纠结的是为什么Rival是要加S，而不用原形??? 前面是to啊....

windmist · 发表于 2013-7-20 23:28:47

大哥，名词啊。。。怎么会有原型呢。。。竞争对手的意思。

关于被动！！同问啊！！到现在也没有找到自己可以接受的解释！！

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