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RON 神对于比较省略的回答,有个问题望大家解惑~~

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发表于 2014-10-1 12:54:58 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
下面是一个人问RON 关于比较省略的问题:(就是问他什么时候可以省略动词什么时候一定要补出)
Is the ONLY rule to decide whether helping verbs are needed is through context? Or can I say if there are NO OBJECT in the sentence, then I must include helping verb, as the examples sited below shown (and same rules apply in the above two examples?)

I eat faster than you (correct)
I eat apple faster than you do (correct)
I eat apple faster than you (incorrect).



RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况:(我的问题是下面的蓝字部分)
there are two instances in which a helping verb is needed:
1) change of tense (see the example above)
2) the sentence is ambiguous without the helping verb.


as far as #2, consider the following two sentences:
i can lift more weight than my brother
i know more about shakespeare than my brother

the second of these is incorrect, because it's ambiguous -- it could carry one of two meanings:
1) i know more about shakespeare than my brother knows about shakespeare
2) i know more about shakespeare than i know about my own brother


the first is not ambiguous in this way:
1) i can lift more weight than my brother can lift --> PROPERLY PARALLEL ("i" and "my brother" are parallel)
2) you can't construct a meaning that is like #2 above, since "weight" and "my brother" are not parallel constructions.(这里的结构不平行指的是逻辑含义上的不平行?还是概念上的?)


your final sentence -- "i can eat an apple faster than you" -- is actually ok, since it is like my latter example: there is no ambiguity, and there is also no change of tense.(只要时态上不改变就不用补出情态动词can 了吗?难道不会有eat you 的歧义?这和前面的brother和weight 的不平行有什么联系吗?此处也是不平行所以没有歧义?)


谢谢大家答疑啦~~~~
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沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-1 22:20:54 | 只看该作者
顶。。。。。
板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2014-10-2 22:14:54 | 只看该作者
没有人么~
地板
发表于 2015-4-1 12:02:00 | 只看该作者
是语意上的不平行吧,我觉得也可以算作是概念上的。Ron说的是不是weight和my brother不是同一个词性所以不能比较,只有我和my brother才能比较,所以没有歧义?我是这样理解的。
现实生活中应该不能eat you吧,所以从语义上来讲应该只能是你吃苹果的速度对比。
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发表于 2015-4-20 22:46:04 | 只看该作者
曼哈顿语法里面有说,名次分为三类,一是concrete noun, 比如人、事件、时间、地点等,二是action noun
(比如eruption,pollution等等) 和 complex gerund phases(the tracking of satellites...这种),三是simple gerund phases  (比如tracking satellites...) 类别之内可以平行,跨类别了就不能平行~ 这里注意一下complex geround phases 和 simple gerund phases的区别~
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发表于 2018-10-4 00:33:29 | 只看该作者
RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况:(我的问题是下面的蓝字部分)
there are two instances in which a helping verb is needed:
1) change of tense (see the example above):
这个我有点疑问:I run faster today than yesterday不对吗?
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发表于 2020-9-21 15:05:37 | 只看该作者
lordvictoryang 发表于 2018-10-4 00:33
RON神给出了两种需要补出的情况:(我的问题是下面的蓝字部分)
there are two instances in which a helpi ...

同问...
1.I run faster today than yesterday 这句话貌似是今天和昨天比较,但是这句话的原意应该是今天的run和昨天的run比较(不知道这样理解对不对)
2.I eat apple faster than you 这个为什么不正确呢?I和you比较不对嘛?
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