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PREP中that的比较和from的用法(from when)

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发表于 2016-9-17 19:04:32 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
Since 1990 the global economyhas grown more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture to 1950.

(A) Since 1990 the globaleconomy has grown more than it did during the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(B) Since 1990 the growth of the global economy has been more than that during 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(C) The growth of theglobal economy since 1990 exceeds that which had been for 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture
(D) The growth of theglobal economy since 1990 exceeds what it has been for 10,000 years, from when agriculture began
(E) The growth of theglobal economy since 1990 exceeds what it did for the 10,000 years from the beginning of agriculture

A是正确答案,我错选了B。后来搜了各种资料和RON大神的指导,我想了一想各种B错的可能:

1. From when错误。这是各大中文论坛上大牛们指出的一个错误原因,但是Ron大神又说了:
there's nothing ungrammatical about 'from when', because the clause starting with 'when' is a perfectly legitimate noun clause (i.e., 'when agriculture began' serves as a noun. however:
- it's possible that the gmat does consider such constructions wrong; the only way to tell is to see if they say so in any official answer choices
- regardless of where the gmat stands on the issue, 'the beginning of agriculture' is unquestionably better than 'when agriculture began' (i.e., an actual noun is almost always superior to a circuitous noun clause, when possible)


这样看起来,From when倒是可以先忽略,放一下,如果有大牛指出错误,非常欢迎。

2. that的用法
Ron指出这里最大的问题在于that指代错误:
if the second half says 'that during 10,000 years', then the preceding half must say 'the growth of ___ during something else' (or some other time preposition, such as before or after, in place of during).

但是同时,后来他又让同学去看另一题,正确的句子是这样的(相信大家也做过这题):
If current trends continue, by the year 2010 carbon emissions in the United States will soar to a level more than one-third higher than that in 1990, according to official projections.
这里明显的两个对比对象就是标红的两个词,虽然不是和上题中’Since 1990 the growth of the global economy‘以及’that during 10000 years'一模一样,但也没有任何Level  in 2010之类的字眼。那这就费解了,我也觉得Ron说的那个that格式的方法有问题,估计这个也不是排除的方法。

3.More的用法
我感觉这是最合理的说法了。在这边如果是两个时间段内growth的对比,应该不能用more,而是要用greater。Ron大神后来在一个回复贴中也说了:
In fact, I think the usage of "more" without a following noun, adjective, or adverb will be highly suspicious in most circumstances.
In other words, if you see something like "X is more than Y",  versus alternatives such as "X is higher than Y" or "X is greater than Y", you should in general be able to trust the latter.

这样看起来,只有用第三个论证来否定B选项了。当然,我后来也发现了,逻辑上来说,这句话应该对比还是动作,Grow more更符合句意。况且A选项简洁明了,指代清晰。只是这几个问题还是想和各位大牛们讨论一下,小弟第一次发长贴,还希望大家多多海涵!

在此谢过!

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沙发
 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-17 20:19:45 | 只看该作者
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板凳
 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-18 10:27:35 | 只看该作者

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地板
 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-18 20:09:59 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-19 10:29:09 | 只看该作者
还是没人理我么
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-20 15:45:22 | 只看该作者
再顶一下
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发表于 2016-10-4 21:22:29 | 只看该作者
同纠结这道题,同看完了ron的各种解释还是没一个确信...同纠结from when的用法...有看过别的中文资料说after when的用法错误。没找到任何国外的instructor讲过这类型到底是对还是错。
自己对这道题的理解是这样的,虽然不知道对不对。
当时看B选项的时候给我一种感觉这句话的中文意思是,自从90年以后,全球经济的增长就一直超过了前1000年的....
一个问题是似乎since 1990修饰的是the whole idea,修饰的对象在于has been这个谓语而不是主语。A选项的since 1990显然修饰的也是谓语has grown。
第二个问题是has been总觉得哪里怪怪的,总觉得B的意思是这个增长一直比以前多,seems to indicate that90年以后每一年的增长都超过了前10000年的?当然这个理解可能是我think too much- - 过度理解了。
不知道楼主的意见如何?
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-10-4 22:10:10 | 只看该作者
我觉得还是more形容grow还是growth的问题,我看了一下别的题目,基本没有用more来修饰growth或者rate类似的概念,应该用greater。而A里面more用作副词形容grow就很正确。欢迎继续讨论哈!
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-10-5 15:03:08 | 只看该作者
yeshoupi 发表于 2016-10-4 21:22
同纠结这道题,同看完了ron的各种解释还是没一个确信...同纠结from when的用法...有看过别的中文资料说afte ...

今天看到OG17里面有道题
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well.
A. a thick layer of needles protects the buds from which new growth proceeds; consequently they are able to withstand forest fires relatively well
B. a thick needle layer protects buds from where new growth proceeds, so that they can withstand forest fires relatively well

答案是A
关于B选项,OG是说From where is not the correct form, because it is redundant in using two words that express the idea of location (from and where) instead o f one.

所以我觉得GMAC官方还是觉得 from when和from where应该是错误的用法,因为这里when和where和from的意思重复。个人看法哈。
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发表于 2016-12-10 09:56:54 | 只看该作者
ianwyb 发表于 2016-10-5 15:03
今天看到OG17里面有道题
In some types of pine tree, a thick layer of needles protects the buds from ...

Ron对第一道题的解释是正确的,我觉得这两道题的from where/when是完全不同的用法:
1)第一道题里,from when agriculture began to 1950, 这里when引导一个时间状语
2)第二道题,a thick needle layer protects buds from (which) new growth proceeds,是一个定语从句;此处既然是真正概念上的地点,可以用where代替from which
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