关于OG17-805题~希望请教一下（有关代词/时态）

Celia-x · 发表于 2016-10-20 22:37:23

想请教一下这道题关于OG对于B 和C的解释

805. Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

(A) Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
{B} Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
(C) Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
(D) Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
(E) Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better  than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his.

正确答案是D
A 的问题是 idioms -- the better  than 应该是 A is better than B 或A is the better one.
E 的问题是比较对象前后不一致
虽然我觉得D没有什么问题（通过语义可以判断)

但觉得OG关于B选项的解释是在是让我搞不清楚
OG:关于B的解释 considered among her contemporaries as is awkward and unnecessarily creates a potential misreading (she was considered to be among her contemporaries). => 解释又有awkward，而且说这么表达有歧义？可是B选项我怎么读也不觉得有歧义呀。。完全不知道错在哪了
  （另曼哈顿里还像提到 consider XX as XX是不对的，通过这个可以排除B，但OG也没个明确表态）

除此之外关于C选项的解释：
"the subject here is Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry, not Elizabeth Barrett Browning, so the antecedent of her in her husband could comically be taken to be Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s poetry.
Furthermore, the tense of had been considered pairs oddly with Later overshadowed. Each seems to be in reaction to some particular time T~later than T and earlier than T, but when T was or its significance is never indicated.
OG认为C的问题在于1. Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry是句子主语，然后her husband中代词her的先行词被认为是Elizabeth Barrett Brownings poetry？
                                 => 这里想请问 her 是可以指代所有格吗？
                              2. Later overshadowed和现在完成时had been配在一起不对。。。我实在是看不太懂后面的解释。
                                 过去完成时应该是用在动作发生在过去的动作之前，这道题had been肯定发生在时间T之前，later overshadowed肯定发生在时间T后。
                                 这里错的原因是因为这个横量标准的时间T不能确定？
                                  实在不知道OG这解释的是啥原理。。。

希望看到的同学可以帮帮忙解释一下或者一起讨论一下！！！

andrealuo · 发表于 2016-10-21 01:12:13

我觉得B主要还是比较对象不对
C and D 之间我一开始选了C，主要是我觉得题目是有强调时间顺序的，希望有大牛可以谈谈看法

Celia-x · 发表于 2016-10-21 09:25:46

andrealuo 发表于 2016-10-21 01:12
我觉得B主要还是比较对象不对
C and D 之间我一开始选了C，主要是我觉得题目是有强调时间顺序的，希望有大 ...

你这么一说发现B是后面把 SHE和 his success 比较错了~

我突然有个想法，是不是因为C有语义问题。因为overshadowed 和be considered the better poet应该是转折关系，可是C没有任何表达转折的词？
但C的时态实在是不明白错在哪了

andrealuo · 发表于 2016-10-21 11:43:29

Celia-x 发表于 2016-10-21 09:25
你这么一说发现B是后面把 SHE和 his success 比较错了~

我突然有个想法，是不是因为C有语义问题。因为ov ...

我觉得你说的很有道理！

Celia-x · 发表于 2016-10-21 11:45:42

补充一个beatgmat的解释：
The correct answer is D.
Note the following:
In the OA, the referent for she (subject pronoun) seems to be Elizabeth Barrett Browning's (a possessive).
In years past, this sort of construction was thought to be an error on the GMAT.
The OA to SC138 in the OG16 establishes a precedent:
On the current GMAT, it is permissible for a subject pronoun such as she to serve to refer to a possessive.

这里说OG现在 subject-pronoun 如she可以指代所有格了，开先河了！

关于her的问题
有一篇baby姐的回帖提到
没有谁说“代词不能指代所有格”
说的是“非所有格的代词通常不能指代所有格” （看Manhattan第70页好了，叫做possessive poison）原贴：
http://forum.chasedream.com/thread-649092-1-1.html

所以这里用her来指代前面Elizabeth Barrett Browning's没错

但OG这个解释
"the subject here is Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry, not Elizabeth Barrett Browning, so the antecedent of her in her husband could comically be taken to be Elizabeth Barrett Brownings poetry. ”

这个解释实在是？？？一脸mengb

Bradz · 发表于 2016-10-21 14:04:19

我觉得是这样。你说her是指代EBB's，没问题；但是OG说按照C的construction，her也可以被看作，EBB's poetry‘s。这就出现了分歧，在gmat的verbal里，只是有分歧的选项先放在一边，如果其他选项有更明显的错误，那么有分歧就不是错；但是如果有其他选项更好，那么有分歧的选项就可以划掉了。

Celia-x · 发表于 2016-10-22 08:57:48

Bradz 发表于 2016-10-21 14:04
我觉得是这样。你说her是指代EBB's，没问题；但是OG说按照C的construction，her也可以被看作，EBB's poetry ...

啊~你这么一说我就明白了~是选最优选项，her在那指代有歧义
不过还想问问你用had been错是哪里的问题呢？
十分感谢！！！

Bradz · 发表于 2016-10-22 11:22:54

Celia-x 发表于 2016-10-22 08:57
啊~你这么一说我就明白了~是选最优选项，her在那指代有歧义
不过还想问问你用had been错是哪里的问题呢 ...

我也觉得过去完成时是个非常tricky的时态。我的理解是，当你使用过去完成时的时候，必须有一个明确的过去时间，而动作是在这个过去时间之前就完成了。举个简单的例子。

He had finished his book before his death. 这里death是一个过去时间，finish是在这个时间之前的动作，所以可以用过去完成时。

He finished his book; later he died. 这里没有一个明确的过去时间，尽管我们可以肯定有个时间T，finish发生T之前，die发生在T之后，但是T的具体时间和T的重要性，我们不得而知。因此这里不能用had。

Celia-x · 发表于 2016-10-23 16:21:03

Bradz 发表于 2016-10-22 11:22
我也觉得过去完成时是个非常tricky的时态。我的理解是，当你使用过去完成时的时候，必须有一个明确的过去 ...

阿确实很有道理，如果用过去完成就必须有一个明确表示过去时间的词，这个句子里不明确，而且还有其他错误。。。灰常感谢

huangfangze · 发表于 2017-3-6 03:15:56

我觉得C的时态应该还有一种解释方法就是：前半句已经有later这个时间marker，所以再用past perfect就可以被认为是不必要的。
manhattan上讲- when the meaning of a sentence is already clear, the correct answer may not use past perfect to indicate an earlier action.

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