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pennyz · 发表于 2013-1-1 15:51:10

The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are
closely related to whales and in fact include the animal
known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30
feet long and is famous for its aggressive hunting
pods.
(A) include the animal known as the killer whale,
which can grow to be 30 feet long and is
(B) include the animal known as the killer whale,
growing as big as 30 feet long and
(C) include the animal known as the killer whale,
growing up to 30 feet long and being
(D) includes the animal known as the killer whale,
which can grow as big as 30 feet long and is
(E) includes the animal known as the killer whale,
which can grow to be 30 feet long and it is

关于D选项，之前看前辈们也在帖子里讨论过，不过没有同意的解释OG中说的非惯用语的原因。
之前的帖子中大抵有一下两中意见：
1、long 与as big as矛盾，不能说像30 英尺长那么大
2、as big as 前后对比的不是一类事物，一个是杀人鲸，一个是30英尺长。
我在有道上查权威例句，多数是as...as前后为同性质词，比如都是名词。
可是也查到了一个后面是数词的，如下：
Images from NASA's Saturn-orbiting Cassini spacecraft show shadows cast by Prometheus-sired objects as big as about 12 miles in diameter.
那么如果原句变为
can grow as big as 30 feet in length 是不是就对了呢？
除此以为还有一个疑问，E项中的it is 结构OG中只说太啰嗦没有实际含义，难道这种用法在语法上说的通吗？
问题比较多，请NN们解答！

TerraceHo · 发表于 2013-1-1 16:05:37

grow as big as 30 feet用來形容the length of animal--->illogical.
lz可以說shark can grow as long as 30 feet--->not BIG
所以can grow as big as 30 feet in length不對

and前後要求獨立平行的關係---both meaning and structure
1、it跟which指代不同，structure不平行
2、it跟which指代相同，it就多餘了

pennyz · 发表于 2013-1-1 16:14:20

grow as big as 30 feet用來形容the length of animal--->illogical.
lz可以說shark can grow as long as 30 feet--->not BIG
所以can grow as big as 30 feet in length不對

and前後要求獨立平行的關係---both meaning and structure
1、it跟which指代不同，structure不平行
2、it跟which指代相同，it就多餘了

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2013/1/1 16:05:37)

谢谢TerraceHo，第一问题明白了。第二个问题，如果先不考虑平行。被修饰名词加逗号之后用it is.....这样的完整句子做后置定语的用法本身也不对吧？不太明白为神马OG不把他认为成语法错误。请指正

TerraceHo · 发表于 2013-1-1 16:24:30

includes the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long, and it is

lz所說的逗號是加在long後面，像上面那樣麼？俺把完整的句子po下面哈~

The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long, and it is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.

上面的句子我覺得是完全正確的。
這時候and後面的成份就不是定語了，這裡是用and來連接前後兩個獨立平行關係的成份--->兩個具有平行關係的完整句子，meaning上很合理，grammar也沒有問題。
it指代，前句可能的antecedent無論是從meaning還是proximity的角度來看，都應該是killer whale；後面its也是killer whale...ok!

pennyz · 发表于 2013-1-1 16:35:31

includes the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long, and it is

lz所說的逗號是加在long後面，像上面那樣麼？俺把完整的句子po下面哈~

The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long, and it is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.

上面的句子我覺得是完全正確的。
這時候and後面的成份就不是定語了，這裡是用and來連接前後兩個獨立平行關係的成份--->兩個具有平行關係的完整句子，meaning上很合理，grammar也沒有問題。
it指代，前句可能的antecedent無論是從meaning還是proximity的角度來看，都應該是killer whale；後面its也是killer whale...ok!

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2013/1/1 16:24:30)

去掉修饰的非限定部分，就是这样的吗？
The 32 species are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale，and it is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.

也就是it 这个句子和前面的主句平行么？可是前面是讲the 32 species的啊？

TerraceHo · 发表于 2013-1-1 16:56:51

其實and前後的平行，並沒有要求說一定要同主語，或者描述同一件事情的。

【例句-by Ron】
A truck crashed in front of me on the freeway, and l was late to work. (According to this sentence, I was late for some reason OTHER than the truck crash. )

比如說，小明踢球了--小紅彈鋼琴了，這樣看似不相關的成份語法上都可以用and連接，因為and的作用在於表示“前後二者關係-獨立平行”

lz涂紅的那個句子，第一個and是連接同一主語的不同動作；第二個and是連接兩個獨立平行的句子
【lz覺得難理解的話，可以看成有兩層平行，大平行連接兩個句子，小平行連接同一主體的兩個動作】
中文翻譯：32個物種跟w相關，也包括kw---AND---kw因為ahp而出名。

如果lz想通過and表示前後有承接、因果等關係的話，要另外加adverb，比如說and thus/and also/and then...

p.s. 去掉的是限定性修飾，非限定性修飾一般加comma

pennyz · 发表于 2013-1-1 17:04:22

明白了！。。。基础不好，问题太多，谢谢亲的耐心~~

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