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怎样看待加拿大的TOP?Rotman,ivey,etc

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楼主
发表于 2008-4-17 13:34:00 | 只看该作者

怎样看待加拿大的TOP?Rotman,ivey,etc

大多数人都在努力申请美国的MBA。同时,美国的邻国加拿大也有一些比较出色的MBA项目,比如Rotman和Ivey,请问这两所学校大致相当于美国排名多少位的学校?回国后的就业形势怎样?如果拿着这两所加国TOP的学位去美国找工作好使么?如果给一部分奖学金的话值得去么?
沙发
发表于 2008-4-18 02:37:00 | 只看该作者
还是那句话,想在美国发展的话读美国MBA,想在加拿大发展的话读加拿大MBA;加拿大的顶尖商学院在美国都没什么名气,美国商学院除了Top 10以外在加拿大用处也不大。加拿大的商学院给的奖学金不多,但学费也比美国便宜,总花费比美国低一点。如果你打算回国发展的话,Ivey还是值得考虑的。
板凳
发表于 2008-4-18 10:15:00 | 只看该作者
Ivey学校还是不错的,排名也比较靠前,关键在你打算在那里发展,职业目标是什么
地板
 楼主| 发表于 2008-4-19 22:23:00 | 只看该作者

我打算出去学金融方向的MBA,不知道可不可以一同选修entrepreneurship,说不定去了会申请个移民什么的,这个我现在还不是很了解,移民是不是回国就业比较麻烦阿?因为加拿大的就业市场的确很小,我觉得要么去美国(关键今年因为时间的原因没申美国的学校),要么回中国发展,去银行,去外企(目前在国企)。长远来讲还是希望创业,我不喜欢给别人打工。

我不知道这两个学校如果给我offer我去还是不去,去的话我心有不甘,不去的话对不起已经花掉的大把时间和精力。我不倾向去ivey,因为这个学校只有一年的时间,中间没有时间做intern,当然在rotman找实习可能也比较困难,因为我目前在国内的工作跟金融一点不沾边。我估计可能像我这种情况毕业后工作可能不会太好找?

5#
发表于 2008-4-20 23:07:00 | 只看该作者

在加拿大读金融的MBA,Rotman当然是首选啦,如果想同修Entrepreneurship,Schulich也可以考虑。楼主的申请时间跟我一样都比较晚,可以考虑明年再申请美国学校。

6#
发表于 2008-4-21 02:31:00 | 只看该作者
看到EIU上面有一个对SCHULICH DEAN的采访报道,基本上把你的问题都给回答了,可以参考一下。
http://mba.eiu.com/index.asp?layout=view_article&eiu_article_id=1602291145

Dezsö J Horváth, the long-serving dean of
Schulich School of Business at York University, explains how Canadian
schools are stealing a march on their US counterparts.


    

Is Canadian business education in good health?


    

Yes. There are many different reasons. One is that
the Canadian schools have a tendency to be very internationally
oriented. All of us are accepting international students and given the
Canadian dollar [exchange rate] we provide great value. Canada is a
very diverse society—more diverse maybe than any part of the world—and
so we are attractive for international students. [This also means that]
Canadian students love to study at Canadian schools because they get
the international perspective. Finally, Canada has less visa
restrictions than the US and we have less security concerns. So we are
a preferred destination for quite a few foreign students.


    

And finally, there's the advantage to being in
Toronto. Toronto is the fourth largest city in North America. It's a
great financial centre—probably the second or third in North
America—with a heavy focus on biotech and media entertainment.


    

It sounds like much of the buoyancy is coming
from the international market. Do Canadian schools offer better value
than their US counterparts?


    

You can buy a lot for a Canadian dollar here, yes
absolutely. But I also believe that the Canadian MBA programmes are all
different. I would say different from the US schools where the
programmes tend to be similar. It goes back to the early accreditation,
I suppose, which shaped the US programmes into being the same. We are
more heavily focused, for example, on global orientations than US
schools. So we are even attractive to the Americans because of that.
But here in Canada, all of our programmes have a different focus, are
different entities. So we hardly even compete head-on with each other.


    

So you don't see other Canadian schools as your competitors?


    

Only in some very selected areas. Rotman, for
example, is mostly focusing on finance, media and consulting. Schulich
on the other hand has some of the largest career opportunities among
any school in the world. We have non-profit management, public sector
management, private sector management. There's industry specific
specialisations in the financial services, property management, arts
and media, health industry management; and nobody else is doing it in
this country. So I would overlap with Rotman [when] people want to go
in to finance but as soon as they want to combine finance with
something else, they come to us. So I always believe in creating an
advantage by being different.


    

Furthermore we have maybe created at Schulich a
more globally-oriented programme. Queens [might be comparable] but that
is a much smaller MBA. University of British Columbia would be more
focused on Asia, we're focusing on the world. Also Queens and Ivey have
one year programmes, while Rotman, us and most of the others would take
two years.


    

You obviously place a lot of emphasis on Schulich's internationalism?


    

We have offices in Beijing, Shanghai, Mumbai,
Seoul, Moscow and we will open offices Mexico City and Brazil in the
fall. So we recruit students—but we also place students—all over the
world. We have 53 alumni chapters across the world which also help in
placing students. Our students are working in over 80 countries
worldwide. I have over 500 of my graduates working in mainland China
and it's growing very fast. We don't only talk to the foreign firms in
Canada who are only servicing the Canadian market, we go directly to
the head offices in India or in Europe or United States. Seventy-three
percent of my fulltime student body have a passport [other than
Canadian]. We are far, far the most international MBA programme in
North America.


    

How is this international outlook reflected in the curriculum?


    

Everything we teach is in an international context
for the MBA; it has a very limited emphasis on Canada. A curriculum we
chose to develop in 1990 was an international MBA [one of Schulich's
two full-time MBA programmes] and it's required that students must come
in with a minimum of two languages; 80% will now come in with three to
five languages. They also have to have international experience. All of
them would have six to eight years of experience, and they come from
all the over world having developed specialisations on different
regions. They have to study and work abroad.


    

We teach eight languages in the business school
itself for MBAs; not from the basics, but from a high proficiency level
to make it perfect. The students reach a level so that they can
negotiate in the language in question. And obviously the culture
itself: understanding different cultures is all part of this programme.
We believe that culture makes a difference in management. The US model
doesn't work for everybody. So it is really an intensive debate and
discussion about what is the difference across cultures all through the
whole programme.


    

Are you still planning to open a campus in India?


    

Well you know, it's at the planning stage. The
Indian government is not allowing a [foreign] university to deliver
degrees in India at the moment. It's under discussion but it's not
there yet. It's very difficult to be more serious about it until India
makes up its mind. But I think it will actually happen within a year or
so.


    

Is it fair to say that Schulich doesn't have
the recognition of some other North American—even Canadian—schools
outside of Canada? Do you think this is a problem?


    

If you would have said that 10 years ago it would
have been true. But our school was only established in '65. The other
schools with business programmes have been around much longer. But we
have grown very fast and yes, we gained a lot of respect in Canada.


    

What has changed things dramatically is
globalisation and the global rankings. And it's not true anymore that
Schulich would not be there. Those who know management education
today—and given we are doing well in the Business Week, Financial Times
and the Economist Intelligence Unit [rankings]—know we are regarded as
being, if not the best, then among the very best in this country.
[Indeed the] large number of foreign students also indicates that
people recognise us now.


    

You've been Schulich's dean now for 19 years. Are you planning to go on?


    

I hope so. You have to be re-appointed every five years. I have been appointed four times. I hope to be appointed a fifth time.


    

Assuming you are re-appointed where would you envisage taking the school in the next five years?


    

You know the corporate landscape is continuing to
change very fast. So while we are globally oriented now, what it means
to be global changes every year. So that's why we opened the new
offices, and maybe campuses have to be opened outside of Canada in the
future. So we will continue to work very strongly on our advantage
being a global business school.


7#
发表于 2008-4-21 18:08:00 | 只看该作者

All of us are accepting international students and given the Canadian dollar [exchange rate] we provide great value.

-----Long Long ago, the tuition in CA BS was very cheap. Not any longer.

8#
发表于 2008-7-23 09:44:00 | 只看该作者
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9#
发表于 2008-7-23 10:31:00 | 只看该作者

How about Concordia Univ.? How's its reputation?

10#
发表于 2008-7-24 01:40:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用well4eva在2008-7-23 10:31:00的发言:

How about Concordia Univ.? How's its reputation?

上课说中文,下课打游戏,没必要浪费两年的青春在这样的学校。

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