求教consider的用法

凤凰不传奇 · 发表于 2012-9-2 09:56:26

在看曼哈顿的语法，对于consider的用法看的有点晕。
1，I consider illegal the law passed lassed last week by the new regime.这句话怎么翻译,
2.为何The judge considers the law as illegal是错误的，as后是要加一样的成分吗,
如果The judge considers the law as illegal law是否就是真确的。

有语法讨论群吗，想找个组织，谢谢。

gdufs1 · 发表于 2012-9-2 10:00:21

consider as 没有这种说法吧，某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。

凤凰不传奇 · 发表于 2012-9-2 10:07:40

哦，谢谢。按这个说法，I consider illegal （n1）the law(n2) passed lassed last week by the new regime，是不是就是说我认为违法的条例被新的政体在上周通过了。

abjure · 发表于 2012-9-4 18:45:25

consider as 没有这种说法吧，某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。

-- by 会员 gdufs1 (2012/9/2 10:00:21)

不应该在这么说，至少应该知道在什么context 用是对的，什么context下用是错的

当Considerｘ和Ｙ，中间没有其他ＮＯＵＮ，Ｙ直接发生在Ｘ上，用ＣＯＮＳＩＤＥＲ　ＸＹ．　否则用　ＣＯＮＳＩＤＥＲ　Ｘ　ＴＯ　ＢＥ　Ｙ．　
-RON
(1)Consider X to be Y
(2)Consider X Y
(3)Consider X as Y
all of them are correct.

the first two have exactly the same meaning; you'd use the first only when the extra words 'to be' are justified, either because they resolve some sort of ambiguity or because there's just A LOT of stuff between 'X' and 'Y'.
examples:
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills, a ritzy suburb to the north of Los Angeles, to be a desirable place to live. <-- possible ambiguity (could mean l.a. is desirable) if you don't include 'to be' here
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills a desirable place to live. <-- no ambiguity, so 'to be' would be unnecessarily wordy

--

'consider as' means 'consider restrictedly in the capacity of or in the role of'. for instance:
Considered as a work of art, Grant Wood's "American Gothic" is wholly unremarkable; considered as a depiction of everyday 1930's Americana, however, it is a classic piece. <-- i.e., the piece is unremarkable from the standpoint of art, but remarkable from the standpoint of american historical portrayal.

凤凰不传奇 · 发表于 2012-9-4 21:49:21

consider as 没有这种说法吧，某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。

-- by 会员 gdufs1 (2012/9/2 10:00:21)

不应该在这么说，至少应该知道在什么context 用是对的，什么context下用是错的

当Considerｘ和Ｙ，中间没有其他ＮＯＵＮ，Ｙ直接发生在Ｘ上，用ＣＯＮＳＩＤＥＲ　ＸＹ．　否则用　ＣＯＮＳＩＤＥＲ　Ｘ　ＴＯ　ＢＥ　Ｙ．　
-RON
(1)Consider X to be Y
(2)Consider X Y
(3)Consider X as Y
all of them are correct.

the first two have exactly the same meaning; you'd use the first only when the extra words 'to be' are justified, either because they resolve some sort of ambiguity or because there's just A LOT of stuff between 'X' and 'Y'.
examples:
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills, a ritzy suburb to the north of Los Angeles, to be a desirable place to live. <-- possible ambiguity (could mean l.a. is desirable) if you don't include 'to be' here
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills a desirable place to live. <-- no ambiguity, so 'to be' would be unnecessarily wordy

--

'consider as' means 'consider restrictedly in the capacity of or in the role of'. for instance:
Considered as a work of art, Grant Wood's "American Gothic" is wholly unremarkable; considered as a depiction of everyday 1930's Americana, however, it is a classic piece. <-- i.e., the piece is unremarkable from the standpoint of art, but remarkable from the standpoint of american historical portrayal.
-- by 会员 abjure (2012/9/4 18:45:25)

poorling911 · 发表于 2014-12-8 13:07:28

abjure 发表于 2012-9-4 18:45
consider as 没有这种说法吧，某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。-- by 会员 gdufs1 (20 ...

通过您的解释，我已经很明白consider to be为什么有时候to be是多余的了。。但是consider as我还是不是很理解，什么时候是多余什么时候不是多余。我在语法笔记中看到解释都是说多余，但是没有像你这里说的这样解释我心理就不安啊。希望麻烦大侠再给我解释一下%>_<%

神粥八宝 · 发表于 2017-11-29 17:02:00

感谢分享！

Carmen要过gmat · 发表于 2019-8-28 11:07:25

凤凰不传奇发表于 2012-9-2 10:07
哦，谢谢。按这个说法，I consider illegal （n1）the law(n2) passed lassed last week by the new regime ...

Mark一下！

苍圣吾牙晓 · 发表于 2019-9-2 21:16:28

感谢分享！

superjoyinjoy · 发表于 2020-11-9 11:49:49

abjure 发表于 2012-9-4 18:45
consider as 没有这种说法吧，某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。-- by 会员 gdufs1 (20 ...

同意！

求教consider的用法

非常感谢大侠

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