关于with的一点疑问，请牛牛帮忙解答

DUKB24 · 发表于 2013-2-10 22:27:38

有看excel么楼主？

苹果的微笑 · 发表于 2013-2-10 22:56:21

excel？木有啊，什么东东。。。。。。表示很惭愧

苹果的微笑 · 发表于 2013-2-10 22:57:06

有看excel么楼主？

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2013/2/10 22:27:38)

excel是什么东东，我表示很惭愧。。。。。。

DUKB24 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:03:55

苹果的微笑 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:10:13

109336

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2013/2/10 23:03:55)

谢谢啦，看来我还是要努力加油啊，空缺太大啦

tzhou7 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:16:28

看了你的对86#的解读了～～～不过有一段不太理解：
2. "with" in D should have a meaning as something that joins two things, so it seems like it would link "are evident in its profits...with an increase", making "profits" and "an increase" as two separate and equivalent items...and that's an illogical meaning because the "increase" doesn't have a clear number or value in that case. You can't simply have "an increase" - that increase has to be attached to a number, a figure, etc. So the word "with" in D introduces a lack of clarity throughout the underlined portion - the increase is vague and the verb "falling" has no subject. D is incorrect on several counts.
能不能用例句来简单介绍以下？
谢谢大牛～～～

oliilo1986 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:30:30

想了很久也组织不出语言来解释这个语法，with的用法其实很随意，举个栗子
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with her parents watching by the side.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with his eyes half-closed.
With eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
With her eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with the skirt damaged during the process.
怎么都是对的

Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with eyes half-closed.就有点搞不清eyes是谁的了

只能说which相对而言指代性更强一些，所以做题的时候两个都没有明显错误时选择which好一些

DUKB24 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:49:01

想了很久也组织不出语言来解释这个语法，with的用法其实很随意，举个栗子
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with her parents watching by the side.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with his eyes half-closed.
With eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
With her eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with the skirt damaged during the process.
怎么都是对的

Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with eyes half-closed.就有点搞不清eyes是谁的了

只能说which相对而言指代性更强一些，所以做题的时候两个都没有明显错误时选择which好一些

-- by 会员 oliilo1986 (2013/2/10 23:30:30)

同意

还是看split吧归根结底

which就是noun modifier

with可以作为noun modifier也可以作为adverbial modifier

两个选项的其他部分一致的时候，后者明显就会被排除（当被指代的对象是一个noun的时候，当然）

因为存在的歧义违背了SC中的清晰原则

苹果的微笑 · 发表于 2013-2-10 23:54:48

想了很久也组织不出语言来解释这个语法，with的用法其实很随意，举个栗子
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with her parents watching by the side.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with his eyes half-closed.
With eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
With her eyes half-closed, Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party.
Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party, with the skirt damaged during the process.
怎么都是对的

Josh pulled off Jane’s skirt during the party with eyes half-closed.就有点搞不清eyes是谁的了

只能说which相对而言指代性更强一些，所以做题的时候两个都没有明显错误时选择which好一些

-- by 会员 oliilo1986 (2013/2/10 23:30:30)

同意

还是看split吧归根结底

which就是noun modifier

with可以作为noun modifier也可以作为adverbial modifier

两个选项的其他部分一致的时候，后者明显就会被排除（当被指代的对象是一个noun的时候，当然）

因为存在的歧义违背了SC中的清晰原则

-- by 会员 DUKB24 (2013/2/10 23:49:01)

这么说我就明白了，就是选择 the best choice

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