請大家看看我申請中欧有希望嗎﹖

ibfan · 发表于 2007-7-4 11:42:00

本人情况如下：
31 岁，东北财经大学的经济学学士。GPA 3.7
澳洲某TOP大学的会计和金融双硕士，金融硕士成绩不错， GPA 3.7.

工作經歷六年﹐ 五年大學教學(含少量管理)經驗﹐ 一年教育咨詢。

今年十月份考GMAT﹐ 預計應該在720分以上﹐ 另外12月考CFA一級﹐估計一次過也沒問題。

在悉尼当地投了一些申请金融工作的简历，不过回音寥寥，有的话也是婉拒。总结了一下原因，觉得简历再提高的余地已经不大。硬伤主要有以下：

1。没有任何在FINANCE 领域的经验，这也是最致命的。悉尼的FINANCE 市场现在非常火爆，MACQUARIE 银行更是已经步入世界级的IB。但是当地的雇主对于LOCAL 的经验过于挑剔，因此我觉得机会应该很小。

2。年龄上也没有优势，作为一个年过三十，寻求职业转换的申请者，确实没有什么优势。当地的IB更愿意从名校直接雇佣优秀的本科生。

想来想去，觉得可能可行的方案就是读一个好的MBA，作为转换职业的敲门砖。基于我的背景，不知道申请中欧 or ckgsb 的把握大不大﹖主要是工作背景太弱，没有COMMERCIAL 和管理的经验，另外本科非名校也是弱势。

希望有经验的人士给我一些指点：

像我这样年纪偏大的申请者，读完MBA 已经34 岁，而且没有 PRE-MBA 的商业界工作经验的(虽然有一个FINANCE 的MASTER，而且在读CFA)，成功完成职业转换的机会有多大？

vlao · 发表于 2007-7-4 11:53:00

you are already very well-educated, what you lack is not another degree but work experience. I honestly don't think an MBA will help much and you cannot draw too much benefit from an MBA since you don't have any business experience. Since you have a lot of theory behind you, the best may be for you to get the CFA and start looking for a job in finance-accouting related consulting job. good luck

QHDMBA · 发表于 2007-7-4 15:29:00

以下是引用ibfan在2007-7-4 11:42:00的发言：

本人情况如下：
31 岁，东北财经大学的经济学学士。GPA 3.7
澳洲某TOP大学的会计和金融双硕士，金融硕士成绩不错， GPA 3.7.

工作經歷六年﹐ 五年大學教學(含少量管理)經驗﹐ 一年教育咨詢。

今年十月份考GMAT﹐ 預計應該在720分以上﹐ 另外12月考CFA一級﹐估計一次過也沒問題。

在悉尼当地投了一些申请金融工作的简历，不过回音寥寥，有的话也是婉拒。总结了一下原因，觉得简历再提高的余地已经不大。硬伤主要有以下：

1。没有任何在FINANCE 领域的经验，这也是最致命的。悉尼的FINANCE 市场现在非常火爆，MACQUARIE 银行更是已经步入世界级的IB。但是当地的雇主对于LOCAL 的经验过于挑剔，因此我觉得机会应该很小。

2。年龄上也没有优势，作为一个年过三十，寻求职业转换的申请者，确实没有什么优势。当地的IB更愿意从名校直接雇佣优秀的本科生。

想来想去，觉得可能可行的方案就是读一个好的MBA，作为转换职业的敲门砖。基于我的背景，不知道申请中欧 or ckgsb 的把握大不大﹖主要是工作背景太弱，没有COMMERCIAL 和管理的经验，另外本科非名校也是弱势。

希望有经验的人士给我一些指点：

像我这样年纪偏大的申请者，读完MBA 已经34 岁，而且没有 PRE-MBA 的商业界工作经验的(虽然有一个FINANCE 的MASTER，而且在读CFA)，成功完成职业转换的机会有多大？

你的背景很不错，年龄也不是很大。申请中欧完全有可能，可以通过暑期实习增加一些商业经验，为改行做准备。

ibfan · 发表于 2007-7-5 13:29:00

Thank both of you, with each sharing some good points.

I would like to get a finance related job in Sydney. However, the local market is relatively small and also narrow-minded. It will be pretty hard for me to break the ice and make an entry.

I am optimistic in the long term development of financial markets in China. This is the reason I am considering doing an MBA at CEIBS and land a job in Shanghai, preferrably IB, if not, I am happy working in Asset management or some securities companies.

Do I have a good chance of achieving that?

sinobrio · 发表于 2007-7-5 14:19:00

I think if you already decided to come back to china the earlier you move the better. Australia is relatively isolated, even though it's a nice and wealthy country, it doesn't have much impact on teh int'l national market other than in terms of natural sources deals.
you can apply to ceibs and other schools - if you don't try how do you know whether you qualify or not? Overall, you don't have a lot of business work experience so the earlier you start the better. IB job will be tough because of your age - are you willing to ditch your ego and work like a dog along side of people 10 years younger than you? I'm just trying to adjust your expectations. But don't be discouraged, there are many good jobs out there like corporate valuation/consulting, asset management, etc.Especially if you get your CFA you can get into a more stable sector with good lifestyle.

ibfan · 发表于 2007-7-5 14:47:00

以下是引用sinobrio在2007-7-5 14:19:00的发言：
I think if you already decided to come back to china the earlier you move the better. Australia is relatively isolated, even though it's a nice and wealthy country, it doesn't have much impact on teh int'l national market other than in terms of natural sources deals.
you can apply to ceibs and other schools - if you don't try how do you know whether you qualify or not? Overall, you don't have a lot of business work experience so the earlier you start the better. IB job will be tough because of your age - are you willing to ditch your ego and work like a dog along side of people 10 years younger than you? I'm just trying to adjust your expectations. But don't be discouraged, there are many good jobs out there like corporate valuation/consulting, asset management, etc.Especially if you get your CFA you can get into a more stable sector with good lifestyle.

very good points, thanks! The problem with Sydney's financial market is ithat t is basically controlled by local white guys who don't have either higher degrees or international experiences. Therefore the recruitment process is very short-sighted, with a lot of ex-patriates from London, HK or NYC rejected for "overqualification". This is laughable and pathetic. From my perspective, perhaps my best chance will be in China.

IB will definitely be tough for me and I fully agree with you that it's kind of embarrassing when you have to compete with those young guns ten years younger. Could you please further give me some advice on a couple of things:

1. when you said "Especially if you get your CFA you can get into a more stable sector with good lifestyle.", could you elaborate on that? What chances do I have if I pass all three levels and become a CFA charterholder? Why might I have better lifestyles? By saying that, are you kind of talking about investment management or secuties companies? Is there a high demand in these sectors in Shanghai at present?

2. I am an Australian citizen holding Australian passport. If I can get into CEIBS and graduate, do I have any work restrictions? Is it easy to get a working visa or permit? And what kind of salary level can I expect, given my relatively weak business experience?

Your advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

sinobrio · 发表于 2007-7-6 10:58:00

CFA may help you get an accouting job with big MNC's, after few years you can aim for assitant CFO or comtroller position. OR it may help you to get into the big 4 auditers. asset management is a new and growing sector in China. If you have some work experience that could be a good area for the future. In terms of securities, are you thinking retail? trading? that means you have to have local knowledge and local network, so it could be tough for you to get into at first. Overall, you don't lack education. you have to evaluate your personality and strengths to see what fits you. If you go get an MBA, with your age/experience I think a realistic option would be consulting or equity research, which may fit you if you did well in academia.
Getting a work permit in China is not hard, you just have to find a company to hire you. But pay for expats is getting localized more and more and varies greatly depending on industry. So my advice is if you want to move, move sooner rather than later, the longer you wait, the less attractive you become in the job market. companies are very reluctant to hire someone with a lot of certificates but no concrete experience. You might want to consider concentrating on an industry like real estate or energy, or something after you get some expereince in consulting or research.

ibfan · 发表于 2007-7-6 11:20:00

以下是引用sinobrio在2007-7-6 10:58:00的发言：
CFA may help you get an accouting job with big MNC's, after few years you can aim for assitant CFO or comtroller position. OR it may help you to get into the big 4 auditers. asset management is a new and growing sector in China. If you have some work experience that could be a good area for the future. In terms of securities, are you thinking retail? trading? that means you have to have local knowledge and local network, so it could be tough for you to get into at first. Overall, you don't lack education. you have to evaluate your personality and strengths to see what fits you. If you go get an MBA, with your age/experience I think a realistic option would be consulting or equity research, which may fit you if you did well in academia.
Getting a work permit in China is not hard, you just have to find a company to hire you. But pay for expats is getting localized more and more and varies greatly depending on industry. So my advice is if you want to move, move sooner rather than later, the longer you wait, the less attractive you become in the job market. companies are very reluctant to hire someone with a lot of certificates but no concrete experience. You might want to consider concentrating on an industry like real estate or energy, or something after you get some expereince in consulting or research.

Thanks a lot, it 's been very kind of you.

What salary range can I expect as a fresh MBA, I mean the local pay? I know it won't be very realistic to expect global pay.

sinobrio · 发表于 2007-7-6 12:54:00

you can look at some statistic reports on CEIBS or CK graduates. I can't really tell you because it all depends on the job. you can get paid something like 8500-15000/RMB month if you get entry level job in industry or 3 times that if you get into McKinsey. Some foreign companies making an entry into china may be willing to match your previous salary up to a point so it can vary a lot.

請大家看看我申請中欧有希望嗎﹖

請大家看看我申請中欧有希望嗎﹖

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