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长江2005学费22万RMB

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61#
发表于 2005-2-28 08:37:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用落花流水在2005-2-27 16:56:00的发言:
长江今年值这个价吗?
1,长江还没有得到教育部的学位认可。
2,长江没有得到任何国际认证。在国际上没有知名度和排名。
3,长江没有严格意义的学生交换计划。交换名额有限,并且存在很大的不确定因素。
4,长江的国际化程度极低,没有国际化的视野,也阻碍了英语能力的提高。
5,长江没有强大的校友网络,在职业市场上处于劣势。
6,长江的教授水平参差不齐,离世界级还有很大的差距。
7,长江的管理层好大喜功,没有脚踏实地的专业精神。
8,长江还没有自己的校园,硬件设施远不及中欧和科大。

1. CKMBA and CKEMBA have already received approval by the ministry of education. See http://www.ckgsb.com/chinese/index.php?article_id=664&l1=&ddbtn=. On the contrary, CEIBS has never received approval for its degree programs. The ministry of education acknowledged that CEIBS's degrees are recognized by a European agency, EFMD. Please check with the academic degree office of the Ministry of Education for details.

2. It takes time to receive international recognition by practitioners. CK has been around since 2002. However, in academic fields, CK is recognized already in several fields including Operations Management, Finance, Marketing and Accounting. Professor Chen Hong, Huang Ming and Cao Huining have published papers with CK as their employer in journals such as Operations Research, Management Science, American Economic Review, Journal of Financial Economics, Review of Financial Studies and Journal of Business. They have chaired sessions, presented  and discussed papers in conferences such as American Accounting Associtaion, American Finance Association and Western Finance Association.

3. CK had exchange program with Wharton and UNC last year. CK will be working on additional exchange programs with Virginia, Insead, Columbia.

4. CK is exploring its cooperation with INSEAD. CK is also working on an English EMBA program that targets international audience. CK had talks with Columbia, Wharton, UCLA about sending their students to take classes from professors such as Huang Ming, Zhang Shi, Li, Lode, Larry Lang and Baohong Sun. CK is open to the idea of hiring faculties of non-Chinese origin but the condition is that they have to be full time at CK. This is the so called reciprocity. When western schools hire Chinese faculties, they are required to serve full time there as well. While I tend to hesitate to criticize other schools, one fact about CEIBS is that its permanent faculties are very weak.

5. CK will have its first class graduated in March. At this moment, CK stresses quality rather than quantity. One Lee, Chang-Hao can beat 14 top Chinese and Japanese go players. If CK can produce a few business leaders in the same league as Li, Ka-shin, CK will be very happy.

6. CK's faculties is the best in Asia. HKUST have some areas that are comparable, for example, marketing. As Professor Ming Huang said in his article, for academics who want to go back to China, the best choice is CK due to its emphasis on high quality research.

7. The administration at CK had lots of exprience in business education. Many of them helped to built CEIBS and were hired by CK due to that experience. Professor and Dean Xiang Bing single handedly built PKU's EMBA degree from nothing to a program with a revenue of 100 million RMB. He is a great visionary.

8. With the support of Li Ka-Shin, the campus is not a problem. It should be  ready around next year. However, these days it is hard to get a land approved even with Li Ka-Shin.


[此贴子已经被作者于2005-3-2 0:36:39编辑过]
62#
发表于 2005-2-28 09:19:00 | 只看该作者

开始还觉得这个grossman英语不错,对长江也算是忠心耿耿,不过,最近发现每次他都要把李先生的扔了多少钱在长江挂在嘴上,这就比较令人生厌了。如果以为有钱就能买来好教授好生源,就能办成一个好的商学院,那不禁令人怀疑长江办学的思路和价值观了。

63#
发表于 2005-2-28 10:03:00 | 只看该作者

老老实实做人, 踏踏实实做事, 是长江的风格。

胸怀宇宙,袖顿乾坤,是长江的理念。

二十一世纪办学,什么最重要?思想。

64#
发表于 2005-2-28 10:12:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用grossman在2005-2-28 8:37:00的发言:


1. CKMBA and CKEMBA have already received approval by the ministry of education. On the contrary, CEIBS has never received approval for its degree programs. The ministry of education acknowledged that CEIBS's degrees are recognized by a European agency. Please check with the academic degree office of the Ministry of Education for details.

GROSSMAN的回答有点自掘坟墓的感觉,就是俗话说的找抽,你们领导看了你写的帖子肯定气晕。你以为我们真的不敢去查啊,很多事情不要逼着大家伙去做,因为现在还不是一个水平线上,你这样做只会让自己陷进去。2002年教育部学位办一号文件就是认可中欧的学位。可以在http://www.jsj.edu.cn/mingdan/002.html看到,早期创建中欧的中外办学机构分别为上海交通大学和欧洲管理教育发展基金会,而且办学年限、人数是名单里面唯一一个没有限制的,是一个完全自主独立运营的商学院。不知道长江的名字在哪里,难道我的计算机有问题?长江的学位被教育部承认的证明在哪里呢?如果长江老老实实,一步一个脚印朝前走,我们是非常欢迎的,但不希望看到为了达到某些人的目的采用一些另类的竞争策略,办好更多中国自己的商学院是我们大家所希望看到的,长江可以成为一个正面的案例,也可以成为一个反面的案例,关键看你们自己怎么走了。最后送你中欧的校训:求实创新,追求卓越。
65#
发表于 2005-2-28 12:20:00 | 只看该作者
I do not know if benbenmao understand the difference between approval and ackowldgement.

Here is the information Benbenmao mentioned in his message

授予国外学位与香港特别行政区学位的合作办学在办项目名单

上海交通大学中欧国际工商学院

欧洲管理教育发展基金会

工商管理硕士

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here is what I said:

"On the contrary, CEIBS has never received approval for its degree programs.The ministry of education acknowledged that CEIBS's degrees are recognized by a European agency. Please check with the academic degree office of the Ministry of Education for details."

The degree awarded by CEIBS is through 欧洲管理教育发展基金会. CEIBS is accreditated by EQUIS.  I checked on the web page and found this link: http://www.mba-courses.com/equis.htm.  I also found the following excerpts which are interesting:

“…EQUIS has now accredited 4 institutions and more than 150 management education academics and professionals have participated in peer review assessments around the world. The impact upon institutional development and quality improvement has already been considerable.”

The Ministry of Education acknowledges the fact that the degree awarded by CEIBS is through欧洲管理教育发展基金会. The degree awarded by CEIBS is not through the Ministry of Education of China and thus the issue of approval is moot here.

I am not saying that the degree from the Ministry of Education is that important. Maybe CEIBS did not apply. Indeed, I personally do not care much about recognition by any official agencies.  As long as the market recognizes that CEIBS education adds value. That is good enough.  I am merely stating a fact that the CEIBS degree is not awarded through the Ministry of Education and the issue of approval is moot. On the other hand, if someone stated CK's degrees are not approved by ministry of education, he/she should call up the Ministry of education and gets the facts straight before he/she posts these kinds of messages.



66#
发表于 2005-2-28 12:28:00 | 只看该作者
我的标题是“长江今年值这个价吗”,我列举的都是长江目前的现状。请不要兜售你的百年规划和豪言壮语。谁知道长江以后会不会是另一类的汕头大学呢?别太抬举自己。低估别的商学院的实力和雄心。只不过是那些商学院都在埋头苦干,踏实做事,不像长江这样成天把口号挂在嘴上。
67#
发表于 2005-2-28 14:20:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用grossman在2005-2-28 10:03:00的发言:

老老实实做人, 踏踏实实做事, 是长江的风格。


胸怀宇宙,袖顿乾坤,是长江的理念。


二十一世纪办学,什么最重要?思想。


你地同我地讲甘地咩野,HAN番啦。如果真系同你所讲地一样,点解有人同人地打电话闹交。

68#
发表于 2005-2-28 15:15:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用grossman在2005-2-27 13:27:00的发言:
I don't think that everyone will get scholarships. That makes tuition meaningless. Only those for whom 220 RMB is too high in a short period of time will. CK wants to expand its international market and for americans and europeans, 220 RMB is a bargain.For some Chinese, 220,000 RMB is not a big deal either.


把22万不当回事的主就会把长江当回事?

涨到22万就能发展国际市场?

发展国际市场一定要以伤害中国市场为代价?

69#
发表于 2005-2-28 16:45:00 | 只看该作者
pizi,原来你係广东人来GE,HEHE
70#
发表于 2005-2-28 17:49:00 | 只看该作者
以下是引用benbenmao在2005-2-28 10:12:00的发言:
GROSSMAN的回答有点自掘坟墓的感觉,就是俗话说的找抽,你们领导看了你写的帖子肯定气晕。你以为我们真的不敢去查啊,很多事情不要逼着大家伙去做,因为现在还不是一个水平线上,你这样做只会让自己陷进去。2002年教育部学位办一号文件就是认可中欧的学位。可以在http://www.jsj.edu.cn/mingdan/002.html看到,早期创建中欧的中外办学机构分别为上海交通大学和欧洲管理教育发展基金会,而且办学年限、人数是名单里面唯一一个没有限制的,是一个完全自主独立运营的商学院。不知道长江的名字在哪里,难道我的计算机有问题?长江的学位被教育部承认的证明在哪里呢?如果长江老老实实,一步一个脚印朝前走,我们是非常欢迎的,但不希望看到为了达到某些人的目的采用一些另类的竞争策略,办好更多中国自己的商学院是我们大家所希望看到的,长江可以成为一个正面的案例,也可以成为一个反面的案例,关键看你们自己怎么走了。最后送你中欧的校训:求实创新,追求卓越。

好样的,中欧申请定了。

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