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标题: OG187 VS OG199 [打印本页]

作者: KoloveTu    时间: 2005-2-2 02:18
标题: OG187 VS OG199

偶看过了之前的讨论帖子,下面是偶的疑问


187. In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.


(A)  Americans were killed as


(B)  Americans were killed than


(C)  Americans were killed than those who


(D)  more Americans were killed as there


(E)  more Americans were killed as those who


Choice A, the best answer, is the only option that accurately expresses the comparison by using the idiomatic form as many... as. In B and C, as many ... than is unidiomatic, and in C and E, those who is a wordy intrusion. In D and E, more is redundant because the phrase four times as many in the original sentence conveys the idea of more.



这道题可以用 four times as many as 找到答案 ( A )



以前的讨论帖上说用不着补出 those是因为as 是代词



那么 188这道题的as会不会产生如199题代词指代同一人()


的问题呢?



199. Because the Earth's crust is more solid there and thus better able to transmit shock waves, an earthquake of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West.


(A)  of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West


(B)  of a given magnitude will typically devastate 100 times the area if it occurs in the eastern United States instead of the West


(C)  will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


(D)  in the eastern United States will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


(E)  that occurs in the eastern United States will typically devastate 100 times more area than if it occurred with comparable magnitude in the West


At issue is the accurate expression of a complex comparison. Choice D, the best answer, presents the proper form of comparison, will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will; thus, choice D logically indicates that earthquakes in the eastern United States are 100 times more devastating than are western earthquakes. Choices A, B, and E use it incorrectly to suggest that the same quake strikes both the eastern and the western United States. In choice C, 700 times the area... than is unidiomatic.



请大家指点,谢谢


作者: misswmp    时间: 2005-2-2 03:13

楼主gg的意思不是很明白,  是不是要在199题中用as指代a quake of comparable magnitude?

187是..as many as.. 比较,199是..greater than ..比较,后者好像不曾见greater than .. as,  即使有见..greater than those...用法,在199题中也不能用这类代词指代,因为"东西方发生的地震是不同的两次地震",用了代词就有歧异东方的地震又跑到西方害人了!  大家讨论,共同学习!


作者: KoloveTu    时间: 2005-2-2 18:09

不是的mm!, 偶的意思是, 199题里的地震会让人



误解为同一个地震,188题里的Americans



会不会让人误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人啊?






另外 , 199 里提到的地震,倘若在文章里第二次提到(一个相似


的东西),




one 是不是比 a quake好呢?



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作者: lilyzy    时间: 2005-2-2 18:36

我觉得187确实会让人感觉American指同一批人. 但是这题主要考点是as...as, 也没有更好的选择. 关于as做代词, 我一直不太能接受, 我觉得应该是省略. (many Americans were killed as (Americans) would later)

我觉得199用a quake更清晰.


作者: 而今迈步从头越    时间: 2005-2-4 21:59

因为187里面的 Americans没有任何修饰语限定语,是一个广泛的概念,所以省略的话不至于误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人,除非用they来指代。four times as many Americans were killed as(they) would later be killed.这样才会产生楼主所认为的误解。一个更简单的例子:In general, people are better educated than (people were) twenty years ago.

而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。

事实上这2道题也是SC中2个很典型的考点:比较对象(指代)问题和比较中的省略问题
187:比较中的省略:当比较的2部分有完全相同的成分(如比较对象相同等)(仅仅是形式上完全相同,不必追究是否同一批或者完全一样的动作内涵,如187中americans),且省略后不至于引起歧义的时候,应该尽量省略。

1、比较对象(主语)相同省略,见187。当然也有人认为此时as/than也作代词用,但我同lilyzy一样,更愿意认为是省略。

比较对象(指代)问题(此时比较对象多为比较复杂的带修饰语的名词词组),这种错误往往用2中方法来改正:用that/those指代前面的中心词a quake或者用199中的办法--用同样的中心词(a quake)+限定修饰语来表达;直接用it/they指代是很典型的错误。


作者: lilyzy    时间: 2005-2-4 22:34
同意而今迈步从头越 对american的解释.
作者: KoloveTu    时间: 2005-2-5 00:11

看来mm从头越 , 已经走很长一段了,


偶等得加快脚步


作者: smartcoco    时间: 2005-5-18 05:17
以下是引用而今迈步从头越在2005-2-4 21:59:00的发言:

因为187里面的 Americans没有任何修饰语限定语,是一个广泛的概念,所以省略的话不至于误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人,除非用they来指代。four times as many Americans were killed as(they) would later be killed.这样才会产生楼主所认为的误解。一个更简单的例子:In general, people are better educated than (people were) twenty years ago.


而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。


事实上这2道题也是SC中2龊艿湫偷目嫉悖罕冉隙韵螅ㄖ复?┪侍夂捅冉现械氖÷晕侍?lt;/b>
187:比较中的省略:当比较的2部分有完全相同的成分(如比较对象相同等)(仅仅是形式上完全相同,不必追究是否同一批或者完全一样的动作内涵,如187中americans),且省略后不至于引起歧义的时候,应该尽量省略。


1、比较对象(主语)相同省略,见187。当然也有人认为此时as/than也作代词用,但我同lilyzy一样,更愿意认为是省略。


比较对象(指代)问题(此时比较对象多为比较复杂的带修饰语的名词词组),这种错误往往用2中方法来改正:用that/those指代前面的中心词a quake或者用199中的办法--用同样的中心词(a quake)+限定修饰语来表达;直接用it/they指代是很典型的错误。



谢谢今迈步从头越 MM,你的解释总是很精辟!你的帖我必拜读!

作者: cora_jin    时间: 2005-7-16 22:07
标题: 我觉得你对og199的总结好像有点问题

在more...than结构中,对于than后的比较对象的指代你说用 it 和 they指代是典型错误可是198题中,og 的解释中就说如果than后面改成it had had 就是对的,那这里不就是 用it而不是that指代了前面的army了?


请指教


作者: brissa    时间: 2005-9-22 12:49

198中就是比的同一个army啊,只不过是同一个army的不同战役罢了,所以用it没错。


再问个新问题,呵呵。


199中area和100 times倍数的位置关系应该是谁先谁后啊?


AD:an area 100 times greater than..


BC:100 times (greater) the area... than


我觉得都一样,对嘛?


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-19 16:44

为什么 199 不能说是同一个earthquake 呢?


在句义上并没有问题啊!东边西边, 同一个地震为蛇么不行?


To Brissa: C 是错的 100 times....than...少了greater


B 是用假设法


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-10-21 21:29

up up!!


IN og199, "it" 错误的带了an earthquake of a given magniture...这是og的解释


但是就算是同一个earthquake有错吗?


就向前面提出来的198 , 指同一个army一样



作者: xxiaoyan    时间: 2005-10-28 16:05
帮着顶一下!
作者: xxiaoyan    时间: 2005-10-28 16:08

To Brissa: C 是错的 100 times....than...少了greater


补充一点, 语序也有问题吧


不能是 devastate 100 times the areas


devastate the areas 100 times



作者: xxiaoyan    时间: 2005-10-28 16:14

而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。


我还想问一下,那么than 之后出现one呢,又是指代什么呢,有什么错误呢?


(C)  will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


作者: wingkim    时间: 2005-11-2 00:26

one应指代主句主语an earthquake。


MM,这里有两个问题:


1、occurring表达一个尚未发生的地震合适吗?不能用分词,只能用不定式。


2、than前后比较的对象平行吗?前面是the area,后面是one;这里than后面没有谓语,也不可能是两个句子比较。


作者: mmfoolish    时间: 2005-11-19 10:39
以下是引用xxiaoyan在2005-10-28 16:14:00的发言:


我还想问一下,那么than 之后出现one呢,又是指代什么呢,有什么错误呢?


(C)  will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West


如果在比较结构中出现one,one可以指代什么?例如本题中B答案,望各位帮忙!谢谢!


作者: lyyforever    时间: 2005-11-26 18:31

不好意思,踢一下。随便再问几个问题。


E选项原文:an earthquake  that occurs in the eastern United States  will typically devastate  100 times more area  than  if it occurred with comparable magnitude in the West.



我的改写:an earthquake  that occurs in the eastern United States  will typically devastate  100 times more area  than  it would do if it had occurred in the West.


问题1:100 times more area对不对啊?




问题2:than后面用if表假设,也就是说在东区发生的地震如果在西区发生会怎样怎样……,逻辑上好像是成立的啊?为什么不对呢?我知道E选项的结构肯定有问题,所以我用虚拟语气改写了一下,不知道这样对吗?




问题3:继续楼上mmfoolish的问题,白勇的语法书里说,one指代单数名词短语的核心词,如果按这个理论,C选项里的one of comparable magnitude应该不对吧?




问题比较多,不好意思,人太笨。盼明人赐教!谢谢!




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作者: lyyforever    时间: 2005-11-28 00:50
请求支援啊!
作者: lyyforever    时间: 2005-12-3 21:29
不行我再踢。
作者: leighyao    时间: 2005-12-4 01:50
for 199, "东西方发生的地震是不同的两次地震",用了代词就有歧异东方的地震又跑到西方害人了!" is the point.
作者: tdyg    时间: 2006-2-25 17:04
以下是引用brissa在2005-9-22 12:49:00的发言:

198中就是比的同一个army啊,只不过是同一个army的不同战役罢了,所以用it没错。


再问个新问题,呵呵。


199中area和100 times倍数的位置关系应该是谁先谁后啊?


AD:an area 100 times greater than..


BC:100 times (greater) the area... than


我觉得都一样,对嘛?


应该采用AD,实际上是an area (which is) 100 times greater than…


作者: oncross    时间: 2006-6-24 22:34

再问楼上的问题:

than后面用if表假设,也就是说在东区发生的地震如果在西区发生会怎样怎样……,逻辑上好像是成立的啊?为什么不对呢?


作者: giantddu    时间: 2006-10-27 10:17

基本同意而今迈步从头,

我觉得A的问题在于A比较的不是两个同等级地震在不同地区产生的不同效果而是说同一个地震对不同地区造成的不同效果


作者: giantddu    时间: 2006-10-27 10:19

A中的in the east是修饰动词的

D中的in the east 放在主语后面修饰主语的,

这个我不态明白


作者: giantddu    时间: 2006-10-27 10:21
C中的in the east修饰area,
作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-8-11 21:54
 

199. Because the Earth's crust is more solid there and thus better able to transmit shock waves, an earthquake
                            of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it
                                does in the West.

代入正确答案后:Because the Earth's crust is more solid there and thus better able to transmit shock waves, an earthquake
                        
 in the eastern United States will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the West[比较的意义在于比较主语中心词以及其动作的整体,而不是单纯比较主语中心词本身,earthquakeearthquake,如果动词不补出,将产生美国东部的地震 100 times 大于
                            
西部地震;而原文意图是具体到对该地区的破坏程度是100倍,在比较的意义上略有差异]

(A) of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West (比较结构完整,比较对象错误)[it错误指代前面的earthquake,导致一场地震同时发生在美国东部和西部的逻辑错误]
(B) of a given magnitude will typically devastate 100 times the area if it occurs in the eastern United States instead of the West
(比较结构不完整,比较对象错误,比较词错误)
(C) will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West
(比较结构不完整)[100 times位置错误,产生面积100倍的歧义,而实际上应该破坏程度100倍,比较对象基本对等]
(D) in the eastern United States will typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the West(比较结构完整,比较对象正确)
(E) that occurs in the eastern United States will typically devastate 100 times more area than if it occurred with comparable magnitude in the West
(比较结构不完整,比较对象错误)[100 times错误修饰area; 错误将an earthquake 与后面的被省略的the area对比]

Hi,今天在做比较的总结,看到上面那道题有点搞,就细细的看了下,有些想法,希望请NN指点一下。

看看上面绿色底色的考虑是否可以?

 


作者: vivian_huang    时间: 2007-8-19 15:47
以下是引用而今迈步从头越在2005-2-4 21:59:00的发言:

因为187里面的 Americans没有任何修饰语限定语,是一个广泛的概念,所以省略的话不至于误解为Civil War D-Day 里阵亡的是同一批人,除非用they来指代。four times as many Americans were killed as(they) would later be killed.这样才会产生楼主所认为的误解。一个更简单的例子:In general, people are better educated than (people were) twenty years ago.

而199里面的quake,因为有介词短语来限定修饰,所以用it指代的时候,逻辑意思有误。因为it/they指代的前面名词词组本身,包括修饰语;而that/those指代的是前面名词词组的中心词,不包括修饰语。

事实上这2道题也是SC中2个很典型的考点:比较对象(指代)问题和比较中的省略问题
187:比较中的省略:当比较的2部分有完全相同的成分(如比较对象相同等)(仅仅是形式上完全相同,不必追究是否同一批或者完全一样的动作内涵,如187中americans),且省略后不至于引起歧义的时候,应该尽量省略。

1、比较对象(主语)相同省略,见187。当然也有人认为此时as/than也作代词用,但我同lilyzy一样,更愿意认为是省略。

比较对象(指代)问题(此时比较对象多为比较复杂的带修饰语的名词词组),这种错误往往用2中方法来改正:用that/those指代前面的中心词a quake或者用199中的办法--用同样的中心词(a quake)+限定修饰语来表达;直接用it/they指代是很典型的错误。 ==〉这一段不太明白,请那位看懂的CDer解释一下可以吗?

谢谢:)

==


作者: hopelanxyn    时间: 2007-9-23 10:19

倍数的几种表达法作一归纳:

一、用 times 表示倍数(一般限于包括基数在内三倍或三倍以上的数。表示两倍的数,一般用 twice )。其句式有:

1. “… times +形容词 / 副词的比较级+ than …”例如:

Line
    AB
is three times longer than line CD.

线段 AB 是(线段) CD 的三倍长。

This hall is five times bigger than our classroom.

这个大厅比我们的教室大 5 倍。

2. “… times +as + 形容词 / 副词的原级+ as …”例如:

This table is three times as long as that one.

这张桌子是那张桌子的三倍长。

This dictionary is five times as thick as the one you borrowed from the library.

这本词典的厚度是你从图书馆借的那本(厚度)的 5 倍。

3. “… times + the + 名词(如: size height weight length
    width
等)+ of …”例如

The earth is 49 times the size of the moon.

地球的体积是月球的 49 倍。

This river is three times the depth of that one.

这条河是那条河的三倍深。

4. “… times + more +名词+ than …”例如:

He earns five times more money than he did ten years ago.

他现在挣的钱比十年前挣的多 5 倍。

There are twice more students in our class than in theirs.

我们班的学生人数比他们班多两倍。

5. “… times +as many (或 much )+名词+ as …”例如:

We've produced twice as much cotton this year as we did ten years ago.

今年我们生产的棉花比十年前多了一倍。(汉语中的多一倍实际上也指两倍一样多。)

He has got three times as many books as his sister.

他拥有的书的数量是他妹妹的 3 倍。

6. “… times + what 从句例如:

The length of the road is four times what it was three years ago.

这条路的长度是三年前的 4 倍。

The price of the meat is twice what it was last year.

肉价是去年的两倍。

7.  “… times + up on (或 over …”例如:

The size of the sun is a million times over that of the earth.

太阳的体积比地球的体积大一百万倍。

He is three times up on your age.

他的年龄是你的 4 倍(或:比你的年龄大 3 倍)。

8. “… +by + … times ”例如:

Compared with last year our coal output has increased by three times.

与去年相比,我们的煤产量增长了 3 倍。

His speed is faster than mine by four times.

他的速度比我的快 4 倍。

9. “… times + compared with +被比较对象例如:

The number of the students in our school has increased for times compared with 1980.

我们学校的学生人数比 1980 年增加了 3 倍。

10. “… times + that of + 被比较对象例如:

In this workshop the output of July was 3.5 times that of January.

这个车间七月份的产量是元月份的 3.5 倍。

但是我有点不懂:

an area 100 times greater than =an area 100 times more than= 100 times more arean than

这三种表达一样吗?都是正确的吗? 在这里面more 和great都一样吗?


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作者: rorarora    时间: 2008-3-15 17:05
greater对应magnitude
作者: ximenxiao1    时间: 2008-3-16 22:32
我觉得比较不对,greater in 该和than in 比吧
作者: tankobe    时间: 2009-11-4 16:23
经典啊!!!!!超级受用....


倍数的几种表达法作一归纳:
一、用 times 表示倍数(一般限于包括基数在内三倍或三倍以上的数。表示两倍的数,一般用 twice )。其句式有:
1. “… times +形容词 / 副词的比较级+ than …”例如:
Line
   AB is three times longer than line CD.
线段 AB 是(线段) CD 的三倍长。
This hall is five times bigger than our classroom.
这个大厅比我们的教室大 5 倍。
2. “… times +as + 形容词 / 副词的原级+ as …”例如:
This table is three times as long as that one.
这张桌子是那张桌子的三倍长。
This dictionary is five times as thick as the one you borrowed from the library.
这本词典的厚度是你从图书馆借的那本(厚度)的 5 倍。
3. “… times + the + 名词(如: size height weight length
   width
等)+ of …”例如
The earth is 49 times the size of the moon.
地球的体积是月球的 49 倍。
This river is three times the depth of that one.
这条河是那条河的三倍深。
4. “… times + more +名词+ than …”例如:
He earns five times more money than he did ten years ago.
他现在挣的钱比十年前挣的多 5 倍。
There are twice more students in our class than in theirs.
我们班的学生人数比他们班多两倍。
5. “… times +as many (或 much )+名词+ as …”例如:
We've produced twice as much cotton this year as ( we did ) ten years ago.
今年我们生产的棉花比十年前多了一倍。(汉语中的多一倍实际上也指两倍一样多。)
He has got three times as many books as his sister.
他拥有的书的数量是他妹妹的 3 倍。
6. “… times + what 从句例如:
The length of the road is four times what it was three years ago.
这条路的长度是三年前的 4 倍。
The price of the meat is twice what it was last year.
肉价是去年的两倍。
7.  “… times + up on (或 over …”例如:
The size of the sun is a million times over that of the earth.
太阳的体积比地球的体积大一百万倍。
He is three times up on your age.
他的年龄是你的 4 倍(或:比你的年龄大 3 倍)。
8. “… +by + … times ”例如:
Compared with last year, our coal output has increased by three times.
与去年相比,我们的煤产量增长了 3 倍。
His speed is faster than mine by four times.
他的速度比我的快 4 倍。
9. “… times + compared with +被比较对象例如:
The number of the students in our school has increased for times compared with 1980.
我们学校的学生人数比 1980 年增加了 3 倍。
10. “… times + that of + 被比较对象例如:
In this workshop the output of July was 3.5 times that of January.
这个车间七月份的产量是元月份的 3.5 倍。


但是我有点不懂:

an area 100 times greater than =an area 100 times more than= 100 times more arean than

这三种表达一样吗?都是正确的吗? 在这里面more 和great都一样吗?


[此贴子已经被作者于2007-9-23 10:24:58编辑过]
-- by 会员 hopelanxyn (2007/9/23 10:19:00)





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