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作者: boreposuo 时间: 2013-8-22 13:57
标题: prep2008上的解释和Manhattan论坛instructor的讲解有出入，求解！
关于逗号+过去分词修饰对象

过去分词
1）作动词——比如，用在被动语态
2）作形容词——不管有没有逗号，都是作为定语

当过去分词在句末时，不管有无逗号，都是就近修饰名词;

Q:hello instructor
does "followed by a gradual increase in business activity " modify the " soft landing"?? if so what type of modifier it is?
thanx in advance

A:
-ED and -ING verbs after commas are most commonly a modifier that modifies the main clause of the sentence:
They won the football game, scoring 28 points. (how did they win?)
They won the football game, followed by a massive celebration. (what happened after they won?)
In this sentence, "followed by X" modifies what will happen after the economy comes in for a soft landing.
_________________
Joe Lucero
Manhattan GMAT Instructor

到底逗号+过去分词是修饰前面句子还是就近的名词？？？

作者: kiwifoodtown 时间: 2013-8-22 14:49
Manhattan GMAT Instructor 说的是对的，通常分词和主句间用逗号间隔，大都作状语，从句意上看也是这样。

作者: yang199108 时间: 2013-8-22 14:51
就近的名词

作者: yang199108 时间: 2013-8-22 14:53
prep2008上的解释是什么？

作者: boreposuo 时间: 2013-8-22 15:53

yang199108 发表于 2013-8-22 14:53
prep2008上的解释是什么？

prep解释是
当过去分词在句末时，不管有无逗号，都是就近修饰名词;

Manhattan论坛instructor的解释是英文部分

作者: boreposuo 时间: 2013-8-22 16:01
我也比较倾向instructor的这种说法

Diabetes, together with its serious complications, ranks as the nation’s third leading cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.

比如这题的surpassed 应该是糖尿病及它引起的并发症位居全国主要致死疾病第三位，仅次于心脏病和癌症引起的并发症。而不是糖尿病仅次于心脏病和癌症。（仅次于心脏病和癌症的什么呢）

不知道我这样理解对不对？

作者: boreposuo 时间: 2013-8-22 16:02

kiwifoodtown 发表于 2013-8-22 14:49
Manhattan GMAT Instructor 说的是对的，通常分词和主句间用逗号间隔，大都作状语，从句意上看也是这样。 ...

但是我比较倾向instructor的这种说法

Diabetes, together with its serious complications, ranks as the nation’s third leading cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.

比如这题的surpassed 应该是糖尿病及它引起的并发症位居全国主要致死疾病第三位，仅次于心脏病和癌症引起的并发症。而不是糖尿病仅次于心脏病和癌症。（仅次于心脏病和癌症的什么呢）

不知道我这样理解对不对？

或者是其他的解释呢？

作者: yang199108 时间: 2013-8-23 01:41
看了几个贴，其实发现  commas+past participle 还是只能修饰前名词/名词短语

1. http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/building-on-civilizations-that-preceded-them-in-coastal-peru-t8434.html

这里面Manhattan staff 说

past participles function as adjectives; they ALWAYS modify nouns. it's actually impossible for a past participle to modify a whole clause.

you're thinking of the rule for "clause + , + -ING", which doesn't extend to past participles.

2. 其次 http://gmatclub.com/forum/verb-ed-modifiers-vs-verb-ing-modifiers-125611.html  里面说

1. When verb-ing modifier is separated from the clause using a comma, then this modifier modifies the preceding clause.
2. When verb-ing modifier is not separated from the clause using a comma, then it modifies the preceding noun.
3. When verb-ing modifier is placed in the beginning of the sentence followed by a comma, then it may modify either the subject of the clause or the entire clause, depending upon the context of the sentence.
4. Verb-ed modifier modifies the preceding noun or the noun phrase.
5. When verb-ed modifier is placed in the beginning of the clause followed by a comma, then it modifies the subject of the clause.

其中还解释道本题的关键， Diabetes, together with its serious complications, ranks as the nation’s third leading cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer.

surpassed by确实符合过去分词修饰前名词/名词短语的规则，只是它修饰的不是 death 而是  the nation’s third leading cause of death

3. 第2个链接还提到
REGULAR ENGLISH Vs. GMAT: The point to be noted here is that in regular English, comma + verb-ed modifiers modify the preceding clause. They behave in similar manner as do comma + verb-ing modifiers. However, GMAT goes against this practice as is evident from OG12#56.
Since Official Guides set up the rules here, we incorporate these rules in our course curriculum and questions. If down the line, OG modifies this question and changes the explanation, reflecting that comma + verb-ed modifiers modify preceding clause, then we will change our curriculum and questions based on this rule accordingly.
Here are a few examples from OG12 for verb-ed modifiers:
Verb-ed modifier modifying preceding noun = OG12#28, OG12#56.

第2个链接中Diabetes题目是og12 #5

4. 回到本帖原题中
According to some analysts, the gains in the stock market reflect growing confidence that the economy will avoid the recession that many had feared earlier in the year and instead come in for a "soft landing", followed by a gradual increase in the business activity.
followed by 应该修饰soft landing

5. Joe Lucero， Manhattan GMAT Instructor 这个人说 ED and -ING verbs after commas are most commonly a modifier that modifies the main clause of the sentence:

我觉得是错的，首先1）他和另一个Manhattan staff说的不一样（就是第一个链接中所说的 past participles function as adjectives; they ALWAYS modify nouns. it's actually impossible for a past participle to modify a whole clause.  you're thinking of the rule for "clause + , + -ING", which doesn't extend to past participles. ）
其次 2）我翻了翻 manhattan sc, 其中第六章节modifier中 a) noun modifier的类型包括 past participle 和 present participle without commas; b) 而verb modifiers 中并没有past participle c)当谈到modify an entire clauses的时候只提到present participle （the use of -ing form works best when you want to express the result of the main clause.) 就是现在分词作状语表结果。

6. 结合 #3和#5可知
Joe Lucero， Manhattan GMAT Instructor 说的ED and -ING verbs after commas are most commonly a modifier that modifies the main clause of the sentence 在regular english是对的，但是在gmat中有误。

正解为
1. When verb-ing modifier is separated from the clause using a comma, then this modifier modifies the preceding clause.
2. When verb-ing modifier is not separated from the clause using a comma, then it modifies the preceding noun.
3. When verb-ing modifier is placed in the beginning of the sentence followed by a comma, then it may modify either the subject of the clause or the entire clause, depending upon the context of the sentence.
4. Verb-ed modifier modifies the preceding noun or the noun phrase.
5. When verb-ed modifier is placed in the beginning of the clause followed by a comma, then it modifies the subject of the clause.

作者: boreposuo 时间: 2013-8-25 14:57

yang199108 发表于 2013-8-23 01:41
看了几个贴，其实发现 commas+past participle 还是只能修饰前名词/名词短语

1. http://www.manhattang ...

很严谨的论证，感谢~
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