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作者: 雪球Sylvia    时间: 2012-5-16 22:34
标题: 求助OG13 SC79题
79.  Ryunosuke Akutagawa's knowledge of the literatures of Europe, China, and that of Japan were instrumental in his development as a writer, informing his literary style as much as the content of his fiction.
(A)  that of Japan were instrumental in his development as a writer, informing his literary style as much as
(B)  that of Japan was instrumental in his development as a writer, and it informed both his literary style as well as
(C) Ryunosuke Akutagawa's knowledge of the literatures of Europe, China, and Japan was instrumental in his development as a writer, informing both his literary style and the content of his fiction.
(D)  Japan was instrumental in his development as a writer, as it informed his literary style as much as
(E)  Japan were instrumental in his development as a writer, informing both his literary style in addition to

其它选项OG的解释都很清楚了,唯独D选项小女子有点吃不消呀。。。
OG解释:This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect of Akutagawa's knowledge on his development as a writer was due to the fact that both of the aspects of his writing were influenced to the same extent, However, it is implausible to suppose that this is what the
writer intends. Furthermore, the comparison is ambiguous: did his knowledge inform his style as much as it informed the content, ox did it inform his style as much as the content informed his style?

烦请各位高人予以指点~!
多谢啦!!
作者: Xiuming    时间: 2012-5-16 22:50
读一遍找出每个选项的致命缺点,排除掉,就剩c为最佳答案了。还是那句,g考试答案是比出来的,而不是真的选出来的。
作者: 雪球Sylvia    时间: 2012-5-16 22:58
我排除了ABE最后选了C,但我不太清楚D哪里错了
as much as 在这里是修饰什么的?
是inform的程度吗?

谢谢你的建议!
在考场上时间就是分数,当然不必锱铢必较
但在考前我觉得还是踏实点,不要放过任何一个知识点
你觉得呢?
作者: Armstrong0330    时间: 2012-6-6 06:07
我排除了ABE最后选了C,但我不太清楚D哪里错了
as much as 在这里是修饰什么的?
是inform的程度吗?

谢谢你的建议!
在考场上时间就是分数,当然不必锱铢必较
但在考前我觉得还是踏实点,不要放过任何一个知识点
你觉得呢?
-- by 会员 雪球Sylvia (2012/5/16 22:58:55)

我也选了D 也同样有疑问啊 你想通了吗~?
作者: Armstrong0330    时间: 2012-6-6 06:25
这题我和你一样选了D 但答案是C informing 和从句 都是定语吧 我起初选D的理由是as much as 具体的修饰和意思没搞大明白 然后为了忠实原文 就选了D  还有我当时还有一个傻逼的理由就是informing 是做独立主格 主语是knowledge不能发出 informing这个动作 因为已经超时就没仔细斟酌这句的逻辑了  但是今天总结发现即使这个C D 是做定语 但两个都对 但as much as 是修饰什么 去掉是否会改变原句的意思? 如果不改变 我想选C 的理由就是  简洁因为它是现在分词短语
作者: superbat28    时间: 2012-6-6 10:03
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect of Akutagawa's knowledge on his development as a writer was due to the fact that both of the aspects of his writing were influenced to the same extent, However, it is implausible to suppose that this is what the writer intends.

这句话的主要着重点是D选项上用as,而正确选项是用的informing,是状语。区别在于,【,V-ing】结构很明显在这句话里是起到状语的结构,是对前句的一个补充说明;而as的话,引导的是状语从句,但是as有一种用法是做because的意思来讲,所以OG说unclear and appears to indicate the meaning "due to"


Furthermore, the comparison is ambiguous: did his knowledge inform his style as much as it informed the content, ox did it inform his style as much as the content informed his style?


这句话,着重点是在as much as上,D选项后半句话是as it informed his literary style as much as the content of his fiction
C选项用both... and的结构,很清楚的表现出是inform both A and B, 也就是说inform的宾语是A和B两者,这点在C里很清楚。然而D却可以有两种解释,
1)as it(指代knowledge) informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction (informed) 也就是是knowledge和content of his fiction并列,同时作为informed的主语
2) as it informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction 这个就和C选项一致,即而这都作为informed的宾语


尽管后者才是作者真正想表达的意思,但是用as much as会造成理解为第一种的歧义,而且但就这题而言肯定没有both... and来的清晰。所以,最后D被X掉了
作者: Armstrong0330    时间: 2012-6-6 16:10
谢谢版主。 明白了。G 加油。
作者: 雪球Sylvia    时间: 2012-6-9 22:36
帖子沉了大半个月才找到知音呐~~
泪奔ing~~~
as much as 的问题版主童鞋讲的超级清楚了
informing在这里不是独立主格,应该是分词作状语修饰主句主语表伴随的吧~
作者: 雪球Sylvia    时间: 2012-6-9 22:49
superbat童鞋好厉害~!
膜拜一个~~~

关于as much as,我还是想多嘴问一下哈
如果我没有理解错的话,作者真正想表达的意思是
his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction
但是没有C项中的both... and表意清晰
但是both...and并没有同等程度的含义

如果把C项中的both...and 换成 as much as 会不会更好一些?
因为informing 引导的分句不存在D项可能出现的第一种歧义的情况

烦劳版主解答一下~~
多谢啦!

作者: miffyhui    时间: 2012-7-22 16:22
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作者: luciferyue    时间: 2012-8-16 16:19
于是我有个疑问。。。
c选项的both and 前后不是平行的啊
为什么选了C呢?
作者: touming3301    时间: 2012-8-17 02:42
both his literary style and the content of his fiction

his literary style 和 the content of his fiction 是平行结构啊
作者: 高chaochao    时间: 2012-10-11 09:07
啊啊啊啊啊啊
作者: kiwifoodtown    时间: 2012-10-11 12:34
我觉得不能选D
1.如果选D,连词as后面部分就变成了原因状语从句,句子意思就变了,但作者并没有要解释的意思。作者明显是要强调前面的were instrumental的作用,后面的informing只是其补充说明的。

2.as much as不是个并列结构,而是个比较结构,它强调了前者不弱于后者,意思是在说前者。在这个句子里如果用了as much as,就会变成了knowledge informed 对style是不弱于对content的。然而,这在现实是不可能的。我们都知道通常知识对内容起的作用要大的多。所以用both ......and......就说明了知识对两者都有作用,不强调程度上的一致。

所以选 C 比选 D 要好很多,OG对这两点的解释是比较合理的。
作者: village203    时间: 2012-12-1 09:42
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect of Akutagawa's knowledge on his development as a writer was due to the fact that both of the aspects of his writing were influenced to the same extent, However, it is implausible to suppose that this is what the writer intends.

这句话的主要着重点是D选项上用as,而正确选项是用的informing,是状语。区别在于,【,V-ing】结构很明显在这句话里是起到状语的结构,是对前句的一个补充说明;而as的话,引导的是状语从句,但是as有一种用法是做because的意思来讲,所以OG说unclear and appears to indicate the meaning "due to"


Furthermore, the comparison is ambiguous: did his knowledge inform his style as much as it informed the content, ox did it inform his style as much as the content informed his style?


这句话,着重点是在as much as上,D选项后半句话是as it informed his literary style as much as the content of his fiction
C选项用both... and的结构,很清楚的表现出是inform both A and B, 也就是说inform的宾语是A和B两者,这点在C里很清楚。然而D却可以有两种解释,
1)as it(指代knowledge) informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction (informed) 也就是是knowledge和content of his fiction并列,同时作为informed的主语
2) as it informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction 这个就和C选项一致,即而这都作为informed的宾语


尽管后者才是作者真正想表达的意思,但是用as much as会造成理解为第一种的歧义,而且但就这题而言肯定没有both... and来的清晰。所以,最后D被X掉了
-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/6/6 10:03:37)


版主大人说得很到位!!可是我还有个疑问TAT
要是knowledge和the content of his fiction 并列作主语,应该写作:it informed his literary style as mucn as the content DID
这样才对不是吗?
就像manhattan上说的如果写I eat apple faster than you就是表示“我吃苹果比吃你快”而已啊!
如果要表示我吃苹果比你吃苹果快,后面就必须有DO
这么说来不就不存在歧义了吗??
好疑惑……
作者: waytous    时间: 2013-1-13 11:50
这个问题提的在理啊!!!有哪位高人能给解释一下?than后没有带动词,比较的对象是否只限于前面的宾语啦?也就是style?


This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect of Akutagawa's knowledge on his development as a writer was due to the fact that both of the aspects of his writing were influenced to the same extent, However, it is implausible to suppose that this is what the writer intends.

这句话的主要着重点是D选项上用as,而正确选项是用的informing,是状语。区别在于,【,V-ing】结构很明显在这句话里是起到状语的结构,是对前句的一个补充说明;而as的话,引导的是状语从句,但是as有一种用法是做because的意思来讲,所以OG说unclear and appears to indicate the meaning "due to"


Furthermore, the comparison is ambiguous: did his knowledge inform his style as much as it informed the content, ox did it inform his style as much as the content informed his style?


这句话,着重点是在as much as上,D选项后半句话是as it informed his literary style as much as the content of his fiction
C选项用both... and的结构,很清楚的表现出是inform both A and B, 也就是说inform的宾语是A和B两者,这点在C里很清楚。然而D却可以有两种解释,
1)as it(指代knowledge) informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction (informed) 也就是是knowledge和content of his fiction并列,同时作为informed的主语
2) as it informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction 这个就和C选项一致,即而这都作为informed的宾语


尽管后者才是作者真正想表达的意思,但是用as much as会造成理解为第一种的歧义,而且但就这题而言肯定没有both... and来的清晰。所以,最后D被X掉了
-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/6/6 10:03:37)



版主大人说得很到位!!可是我还有个疑问TAT
要是knowledge和the content of his fiction 并列作主语,应该写作:it informed his literary style as mucn as the content DID
这样才对不是吗?
就像manhattan上说的如果写I eat apple faster than you就是表示“我吃苹果比吃你快”而已啊!
如果要表示我吃苹果比你吃苹果快,后面就必须有DO
这么说来不就不存在歧义了吗??
好疑惑……
-- by 会员 village203 (2012/12/1 9:42:14)


作者: waytous    时间: 2013-1-13 11:51
superbat童鞋好厉害~!
膜拜一个~~~

关于as much as,我还是想多嘴问一下哈
如果我没有理解错的话,作者真正想表达的意思是
his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction
但是没有C项中的both... and表意清晰
但是both...and并没有同等程度的含义

如果把C项中的both...and 换成 as much as 会不会更好一些?
因为informing 引导的分句不存在D项可能出现的第一种歧义的情况

烦劳版主解答一下~~
多谢啦!
-- by 会员 雪球Sylvia (2012/6/9 22:49:30)



我觉得不能用as much as...替代both...and,因为语义不同。as much as有程度上的对比,而both...and只是并列。
作者: luying0104    时间: 2013-2-4 19:38
同问~D错哪了?求解啊~~
作者: ccccc123456    时间: 2013-2-17 12:06
谢谢
作者: 黑絔电视    时间: 2013-2-18 07:49
版主不愧是版主,随便就把MANHATTAN的精髓之一说出来了。看了版主的我才了解MANHANTTAN真心是什么都讲到了~~~~
作者: ryon    时间: 2013-2-19 11:28
之前有人提到了,as有因为的意思,放回句子读一下,D的话逻辑不通
作者: hz0818    时间: 2013-3-25 12:14
可是不是说做伴随状语时,主句动词不能是系动词吗?真心请教,困扰了很久
作者: Yui1991    时间: 2013-4-10 18:37
ryon 发表于 2013-2-19 11:28
之前有人提到了,as有因为的意思,放回句子读一下,D的话逻辑不通

个人觉得这里的comma+ving不是做伴随状语,而就是一个noun modifier,逻辑主语就是主句主语,主句是主系表结构。
看下这个comma+ving的总结帖,我觉得应该是属于里面的第三类的第一种http://forum.chasedream.com/thread-764753-1-1.html
作者: maybyll    时间: 2013-5-1 22:42
village203 发表于 2012-12-1 09:42
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effec ...
啊啊。同疑惑~~~有哪个NN能解答一下吗~~~

诶 问题怎么没显示出来 = =

Q:
要是knowledge和the content of his fiction 并列作主语,应该写作:it informed his literary style as mucn as the content DID
这样才对不是吗?
就像manhattan上说的如果写I eat apple faster than you就是表示“我吃苹果比吃你快”而已啊!
如果要表示我吃苹果比你吃苹果快,后面就必须有DO
这么说来不就不存在歧义了吗??
好疑惑……

many thx!
作者: 小白出国    时间: 2013-6-5 10:55
谢谢版主。
作者: Feelalive    时间: 2013-6-8 20:14
非常感谢
作者: kellylinlin    时间: 2013-7-8 15:54
kiwifoodtown 发表于 2012-10-11 12:34
我觉得不能选D1.如果选D,连词as后面部分就变成了原因状语从句,句子意思就变了,但作者并没有要解释的意思 ...

大神!!!你的解释太到位了!!!!!!
我看前面的看的蒙昏了,什么as much as有歧义- -完全不能理解。。。。。。。。。
Thx a lot!!!!!!!!!
作者: 一小拉Maple    时间: 2013-8-2 23:48
luciferyue 发表于 2012-8-16 16:19
于是我有个疑问。。。c选项的both and 前后不是平行的啊为什么选了C呢?

同问啊!如果是比较的话,应该是both the style of his literary and the content of his fiction,这样一来比较结构就不平行了呀。还有as much as 是“和。。。一样”的意思,而both...and 是“都”的意思,c选项中句子意思都变了呀。。。求解答呀求解答~~~~
作者: endsakura    时间: 2013-8-24 17:02
同问,有宾语的句子,主语比较应该会加助动词呀,既然没加就说明是宾语比较了,怎么还会有歧义呢?比如I eat more apples than bananas. 意思是我吃的苹果比想较多,没有人会怀疑是I eat apples和bananas eat apples比较吧,因为没有加助动词呀。如果改成I eat more apples than bananas do,那就可以说明是我吃苹果比香蕉吃苹果吃的多。这道题也是:
knowledge informs his literary style as much as the content.
I eat more apples than bananas.
如果像之前说的会让人误以为knowledge 和content都在inform literary style, 那下面那句话会有人觉着I 和 bananas都在吃苹果吗?求解啊
作者: 楷楷楷    时间: 2013-9-17 11:29
好痛苦的一道题,我只能理解到 as much as 有程度上的对比,而both and 是简单的平行。
作者: yanghaijian    时间: 2013-9-24 16:07
版主太强大了,这题纠结了好久,版主这么一说就让我想通了
作者: cdbgin009    时间: 2013-12-17 13:40
maybyll 发表于 2013-5-1 22:42
啊啊。同疑惑~~~有哪个NN能解答一下吗~~~

诶 问题怎么没显示出来 = =

intend meaning是我吃苹果要比你吃的快;这么我们有一个评判标准,那就是逻辑语意:我当然想说的是我吃的速度比你吃的速度快,说我吃你比吃苹果慢这样就很怪了;而这个题目明显反映的是the content与style平行,你分析一下语意就明白了

核心在于,the content既可以做动作的发出者,又可以做总做的承受者,才存在这样的奇异
如果后面的比较对象是一个不可发出动作的东西,那么省略助动词就没有奇异了

I eat more apples than pears.

I eat more apples than James. (Wired, Do you really want to eat a flesh?)

I eat more apple than James do.
作者: cdbgin009    时间: 2013-12-17 14:04
village203 发表于 2012-12-1 09:42
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effec ...

后面的比较对象如果能发出动作,那么这样比较就存在歧义;

试想:I eat more apples than pears;I eat more apples than James; I eat more apples than James do
作者: lindberghya    时间: 2013-12-17 14:18
village203 发表于 2012-12-1 09:42
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effec ...

不能用it informed his literary style as much as the content DID.
it指代 knowledge, 这句话成了knowledge和content的比较,而原句只是要表达:informed both A and B,只是陈述而已,并没有要比较。
另外我的一些个人观察:
1. be动词联系的主语和宾语几乎都是用comma+verbing来修饰主语
2. 要用as的话,主句和从句基本都是实意动词才行,而且时态也要一致
个人想法哈,不对请轻拍指出~
作者: dennis2k    时间: 2014-2-21 02:17
Armstrong0330 发表于 2012-6-6 06:25
这题我和你一样选了D 但答案是C informing 和从句 都是定语吧 我起初选D的理由是as much as 具体的修饰和意 ...

赞,看了这个解释清楚了!
作者: poorcat    时间: 2014-3-1 18:04
还是没有看懂as much as怎么回事
作者: zzloveyibo    时间: 2014-3-24 21:09
其实我觉得这个informing是既可以修饰knowledge又可以修饰development。

因为这是一个主系表结构的句子,所以都可以修饰。

但是我就是搞不清这里informing到底怎么翻译好!!
作者: berylzhang    时间: 2014-4-2 19:11
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect o ...

讲的很清楚 超级厉害
作者: zincgirl    时间: 2014-9-10 18:26
谢谢谢谢
作者: joannahope    时间: 2014-9-15 21:46
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect o ...

我也提出了同样的问题  如果如版主superbat28所言 在1)as it(指代knowledge) informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction (informed) 也就是是knowledge和content of his fiction并列,同时作为informed的主语      那那个informed   好像是不可以省略的吧 Manhattan 好像提过 动词时不可以省略的 没有就是没有   此处的OG 解释 我觉得不是很严谨 吧  望大神指教
作者: autumn921104    时间: 2014-10-27 18:54
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
This phrasing makes it unclear what the writer is claiming. It appears to indicate that the effect o ...

谢谢版主解释~茅塞顿开!
作者: 成成儿    时间: 2015-1-4 09:27
kiwifoodtown 发表于 2012-10-11 12:34
我觉得不能选D1.如果选D,连词as后面部分就变成了原因状语从句,句子意思就变了,但作者并没有要解释的意思 ...

太谢谢了,终于明白了为什么OG会在错误选项里放as much as。
as much as不是个并列结构,而是个比较结构,它强调了前者不弱于后者,意思是在说前者。

只是OG的解释让人真的怀疑出题人和写书的人是不是同一个人~
再次感谢,又学到一个知识点
作者: 成成儿    时间: 2015-1-4 09:49
zzloveyibo 发表于 2014-3-24 21:09
其实我觉得这个informing是既可以修饰knowledge又可以修饰development。

因为这是一个主系表结构的句子, ...

zz貌似11月已经成功分手了,inform在Merriam-webster上的解释是,作为vt有一个意思是to give character or essence to. 给的例子是:the principles which inform modern teaching。
作者: mmmmmignon    时间: 2015-1-26 15:04
as much as 我自己读出来多一个意思....
除了将knowledge和content对等
以及句中作者的愿意 both his literary style and the content...
可不可以说knowledge inform his literary style he content 一样多。。。
作者: stttttttttt    时间: 2015-12-13 16:03
成成儿 发表于 2015-1-4 09:27
太谢谢了,终于明白了为什么OG会在错误选项里放as much as。

只是OG的解释让人真的怀疑出题人和写书的人 ...

据GWD说,OG出题和写答案的确实不是同一波人。
作者: adidong123    时间: 2016-2-1 02:15
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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superbat28 you are the guru
thanks
作者: Winnniee    时间: 2016-7-25 22:07
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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版主大大太强了!!!!清晰明了!!!!
作者: aprilkuo    时间: 2017-2-11 13:56
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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Mark一下!               
作者: Kelly2017    时间: 2017-3-26 22:21
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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大神太厉害了!as much as产生歧义,导致弄不清是主语并列还是宾语并列
作者: mogiinntu    时间: 2017-4-9 07:07
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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大神 那A选项的as much as有问题吗?
作者: 不知从何时开始    时间: 2017-7-10 10:53
我看了一个别的论坛上的分析,说是it指代不清晰,因为之前有一个歧义指代 development,这个可以作为排除D的理由么?
作者: 呵呵哒么么哒    时间: 2017-7-22 11:45
不知从何时开始 发表于 2017-7-10 10:53
我看了一个别的论坛上的分析,说是it指代不清晰,因为之前有一个歧义指代 development,这个可以作为排除D ...

翻了半天终于找到有人跟我一样的疑虑了!!!!同问,as much as的ambiguity和as引导状语从句这两点我都懂。就是不清楚it是否有指代不明的嫌疑
作者: 小小圆子    时间: 2017-8-12 11:08
其实D 有两个错误:

1.改变了逻辑关系(本人觉得这个才是重点)
Result(Japan was instrumental in his development as a writer), Cause(as it informed his literary style as much as )........INCORRECT MEANING.

CAUSE(Japan was instrumental in his development as a writer), RESULT(informing both his literary style and )...............CORRECT MEANING.

在beatthegamt论坛看到的 http://www.beatthegmat.com/ryunosuke-akutagawa-t114318.html

2.前面帖子讨论的 as much as并列产生歧义。

读懂逻辑永远是做语法题的关键
作者: 茵此95    时间: 2017-10-27 10:39
小小圆子 发表于 2017-8-12 11:08
其实D 有两个错误:

1.改变了逻辑关系(本人觉得这个才是重点)

同意!!!我也觉得这才是这道题目的关键!!!
作者: Chris_Xianer    时间: 2017-11-5 17:43
哦!~~~根据楼上的讨论,所以说D的歧义就是content是informer还是informee (哈哈自己造的词)对吗?也就是说不清楚content是那个影响的还是被影响的。
如果这么理解的话……那是不是说……如果D改成it informed his literacy style as much as the content of his fiction does或者改成it informed his literacy style as much as it does to the content of his fiction就可以变成正确的甚至比C更好的选项了?不知道我这么理解对不对
作者: Chris_Xianer    时间: 2017-11-5 17:51
Chris_Xianer 发表于 2017-11-5 17:43
哦!~~~根据楼上的讨论,所以说D的歧义就是content是informer还是informee (哈哈自己造的词)对吗?也就 ...

诶?第一遍看的时候浏览器竟然没有刷出来后几页,没看完整层就发帖了,结果自己的帖删不掉吗?现在看完完整版楼上的版主大牛和其他大牛的讨论才明白,as引导从句那里也错了啊,因为改变了因果关系…… 所以总之就是选C
作者: Josie娇    时间: 2018-1-12 00:04
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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thx
作者: 懒梳妆    时间: 2018-3-4 15:43
Jesus Christ,我跟楼主一样的症状。找到组织了,I found the cure
作者: 蛋卷酱    时间: 2019-11-24 12:36
superbat28 发表于 2012-6-6 10:03
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学习到了!!!




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