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作者: 我爱宝宝    时间: 2004-8-24 06:16
标题: og234与og237

234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long to be registered by the eye.


(A)  infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long to be registered by the eye


(B)   however, the wavelength of infrared radia­tion--0.1 millimeters--is top long to be registered by the eye making it invisible


(C)  infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long for the eye to register it


(D)  however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible


(E)   however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible


Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive "which" is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 milli­meters are too long for the eye to register.



237. It seems likely that a number of astronomical phenomena, such as the formation of planetary nebulas, may be caused by the interaction where two stars orbit each other at close range.


(A)  may be caused by the interaction where two stars orbit each other


(B)  may be caused by the interaction between two stars that each orbit the other


(C)  are because of the interaction between two stars that orbit each other


(D)  are caused by the interaction of two stars where each is orbiting the other


(E)   are caused by the interaction of two stars orbiting each other


Choice C can be faulted because to form a passive construction, are should take a verb form such as caused rather than an adverb such as because. Also, the phrase two stars that orbit each other illogically suggests that there are two particular stars causing all the phenomena in question, rather than various sets of stars in various locations.



我怎么感觉234和237中的that,og给出的解释有矛盾呢,在234中是限定性到了237中成非限定性了?请nn指点,谢谢。


作者: horsefish    时间: 2004-8-24 07:45
以下是引用我爱宝宝在2004-8-24 6:16:00的发言:


234. The physical structure of the human eye enables it to sense light of wavelengths up to 0.0005 millimeters; infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long to be registered by the eye.



(A)  infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long to be registered by the eye



(B)   however, the wavelength of infrared radia­tion--0.1 millimeters--is top long to be registered by the eye making it invisible



(C)  infrared radiation, however, is invisible because its wavelength--0.1 millimeters--is too long for the eye to register it



(D)  however, because the wavelength of infrared radiation is 0.1 millimeters, it is too long for the eye to register and thus invisible



(E)   however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible



Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive "which" is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 milli­meters are too long for the eye to register.




237. It seems likely that a number of astronomical phenomena, such as the formation of planetary nebulas, may be caused by the interaction where two stars orbit each other at close range.



(A)  may be caused by the interaction where two stars orbit each other



(B)  may be caused by the interaction between two stars that each orbit the other



(C)  are because of the interaction between two stars that orbit each other



(D)  are caused by the interaction of two stars where each is orbiting the other



(E)   are caused by the interaction of two stars orbiting each other



Choice C can be faulted because to form a passive construction, are should take a verb form such as caused rather than an adverb such as because. Also, the phrase two stars that orbit each other illogically suggests that there are two particular stars causing all the phenomena in question, rather than various sets of stars in various locations.



我怎么感觉234和237中的that,og给出的解释有矛盾呢,在234中是限定性到了237中成非限定性了?请nn指点,谢谢。


两个意思都是要非限制性的.234说用", which"来代替that. 237指出that限定了就是那两个星星, 不是许多两两星星.


作者: 我爱宝宝    时间: 2004-8-24 10:10

可是如果that是限制性的,那237里面的“现在分词修饰就是非限制性的了”,这个结论肯定是错的。

如果马鱼mm和og都是对的,那么结论就是that的限定修饰与现在分词的限定性修饰237E是有区别的?(怎么感觉说话象cr题)

请求nn帮助,谢谢。


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-8-24 11:09
不错,对于237的确有很多争议,记得paopao可能给ETS去过信,可以确认一下;另,LES在这个问题上给过一个参考,好像是:现分泛指,限定性定从特指。但是纵观你对这两道题的理解,偶认为你对限定和非限定的理解应该是正确的。
作者: 我爱宝宝    时间: 2004-8-24 11:23

谢谢版主确认。我确实认为237的解释出问题了,234是例证。


作者: tuzq    时间: 2005-2-16 20:39
我怎么看来看去,234和237都说的是that引导的是restrictive从句呀?好像没有矛盾呀。请教。多谢!
作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-5 20:38

嗯,OG解释得很正确,是统一的,没问题


作者: jennyb    时间: 2005-7-19 22:55

同意楼上的


作者: tania    时间: 2005-8-26 10:39

lz说得是237题的正确选项E中用了分词orbiting each other,但og 没有认为这个分词修饰是限定性的,所以产生了lz的疑问:是不是现分修饰是非限定性的??如果不是,那就是与that引导的限定行从句不同??


欧也疑惑了


nn们能再解答一下吗?


作者: Baodaidai    时间: 2005-9-19 14:26
我也有疑惑
能請nn们解答一下吗?
謝謝!!!

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作者: fuyun    时间: 2005-10-15 08:40

对于这两道题目的一点想法:大家讨论


关于限定与非限定的分析参照这个连接


http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&id=103107


对于234与237得解释,我觉得没有矛盾。


(E)   however, infrared radiation has a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long for the eye to register, thus making it invisible



Choice E produces an illogical statement by using a restrictive clause introduced by that where a comma followed by the nonrestrictive "which" is required: a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters that is too long nonsensically suggests that not all wavelengths of 0.1 milli­meters are too long for the eye to register.


that限定了a wavelength of 0.1 millimeters暗示还有其他的波长不在这个范围内,这是违反逻辑意思的,即黄线部分ETS给出的解释。


(C)  are because of the interaction between two stars that orbit each other


(E)   are caused by the interaction of two stars orbiting each other



Choice C can be faulted because to form a passive construction, are should take a verb form such as caused rather than an adverb such as because. Also, the phrase two stars that orbit each other illogically suggests that there are two particular stars causing all the phenomena in question, rather than various sets of stars in various locations.


答案C的解释没有说除了这2个星没有其他星了,但是根据that从句和短语between的定意造成逻辑意思限定为那两个互相公转的颗星之间的作用,其他星之间的作用不在这个限定里。而E说任何公转的两颗星之间的作用是符合句意的。



作者: newbon    时间: 2005-11-13 13:17
根本没有矛盾,限制性的修饰是针对被修饰对象的绝对化定义,在逻辑上给人的感觉就是修饰对象以外的可能是不满足这种定义的了。所以会出现234的"不是所有的波长都嫌长"和237“特指两个star其他star就可能不行”,而这两题正确的逻辑意思都要表达的是“满足一种定义的一类物体”都是泛指概念。在逻辑上的这种因修饰而引起的范围变化,我们亲爱的ETS是很希望我们明白和察觉的。
作者: mmfoolish    时间: 2005-11-20 21:46

这题大家好像把讨论地重点放在定从地限定和非限定上。我想问一个别的问题。OG认为seem likely 和 may 语义重复,这点没问题。但是seem和likely之间重复么?请教N人!谢谢!


作者: goodwish    时间: 2006-1-3 21:31
不重复,seems: 看上去,看着;likely:好象,可能的
作者: wycg    时间: 2006-1-4 10:22
同意斑主论诉的.
作者: huangyh03    时间: 2007-11-7 15:34

我同意搂住的看法,237的解释有问题,234解释是说不应该用限定性定语从句,应该用非限定性解释所有的红外线波长的共性,但237我认为应该用限定性定语从句补充说明这两颗星所特有的条件,说明还有许多不具备次特点的两颗星,如果用非限定性从句则意思变成只要是两颗星就有后面的性质是错误的,非限制性定语从句如果拿掉应该不会影响句子予以的表述,如234,拿掉非限制性定于从句部分,原句语义仍然可以清楚地表达,但是237如果视为非限制定语从句拿掉后句子意思就出现问题了,所以我认为og的解释错了


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作者: yahvisa    时间: 2007-11-29 23:42

不同意,这两道题都是要表达“具有某种特征的同一类事物如何如何”,如果用了that限定,就变成指“具有这种特征的某一个特定的事物”言外之意就是“除了这个事物,其他同种事物都不具有该特征”,所以不符合题意。

two stars that orbit each other 是说“就是那两颗orbit each other的x星和y星”,言外之意就是说除了x&y,其他相互环绕的星都不符合条件。试问茫茫宇宙,只有这么两个星的interaction能引起题中的现象么?显然不是。

two stars orbiting each other 是说“互相环绕的两颗星”。只要是符合orbiting each other的两颗星,都符合要求。所谓限定就是用修饰语,把所修饰的词限定到一个特定的范围,此范围可大可小,要看修饰语是怎么修饰的。ets并没有说此处是非限定,所以不要用“非限定修饰那掉后不应该改变句意”这个理由来判定ets这道题的解释是错的。

这个东西,非要用什么总结性的话总结出规律也听不现实的,还是要看具体的情况和语言环境。我自己倒是主要凭语感来做题的…… 


作者: goyce36    时间: 2008-7-22 11:23

绕了两个小时,一点想法:

限定表示除了我说的这个特征之外还有。。。所以C,这里stars that orbit说明两个星当中,那些有orbit 的,言外之意是stars还有不是相互orbit的。这也就是OG说这两颗星cause了所有现象。


作者: 像风一样离去    时间: 2011-2-27 20:14
我可以问一个另外的问题么?
It seems likely that a number of astronomical phenomena, such as the formation of planetary nebulas, are caused by the interaction of two stars orbiting each other at close range.    
这个a number of 后面接了个astronomical phenomena 怎么就要用are做动词了?phenomena不是不可数么?
作者: maudemink    时间: 2011-3-20 12:40
我可以问一个另外的问题么?
It seems likely that a number of astronomical phenomena, such as the formation of planetary nebulas, are caused by the interaction of two stars orbiting each other at close range.    
这个a number of 后面接了个astronomical phenomena 怎么就要用are做动词了?phenomena不是不可数么?
-- by 会员 像风一样离去 (2011/2/27 20:14:54)



同问,主谓一致问题。
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