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作者: eggcake520    时间: 2004-8-10 18:16
标题: og 235 help

A與B的選項二者選其一


我不懂的是...為何A選項中無法以人"Miller"當作spanning more than fifty years的主詞..


而一定要以Miller's career當作主詞呢?


在我的理解認為a與b選項不管以誰當主詞都說的通啊...


請眾高手能為在下解惑...thx


作者: eggcake520    时间: 2004-8-10 18:18

A与B的选项二者选其一

我不懂的是...为何A选项中无法以人"Miller"当作spanning more than fifty years的主词..

而一定要以Miller's career当作主词呢?

在我的理解认为a与b选项不管以谁当主词都说的通啊...

请众高手能为在下解惑...thx


作者: blackhorse    时间: 2004-8-10 18:26

没有看出考点。

考点是逻辑意思。

如果选A,就是Miller 跨越了50年,逻辑意思不对。而是说他的职业生涯跨越了50年。


作者: irenelj78    时间: 2004-8-14 00:52

我的理解是,这个被spanning修饰的逻辑主语要做两个谓语的主语,一个began,还有一个culminated而culminated的状语是in ....honor 所以只有career才可以担当这个角色。


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作者: giantbaby    时间: 2005-6-24 14:32
以前见过的都是begin with的用法,例如the story begin with a plane crash.题中begin in从什么开始有这种用法吗?
作者: drift_er    时间: 2005-6-25 20:40





以前见过的都是begin with的用法,例如the story begin with a plane crash.题中begin in从什么开始有这种用法吗?


我也有此疑问。


作者: junguo21c    时间: 2005-7-12 10:35

看来这里的疑问不少,我的疑问在于


235. Spanning more than fifty years, Friedrich Miiller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit(梵语) scholar and culminated in virtually every honor that European governments and learned societies could bestow.


(A) Miiller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as


(B) Miiller's career began in an unpromising apprenticeship as


(C) Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


(D) Miiller had begun his career with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


(E) the career of Miiller has begun with an unpromising apprenticeship of



c中apprenticeship of being a Sanskrit(梵语) scholar 错误在哪里?还是没有这样的用法?刚好c还有begin with的结构


作者: 潜龙勿用    时间: 2005-7-12 10:58
Began是vi. in an unpromising apprenticeship 是介宾短语结构,在句子中做状语.
作者: 曼天飞舞    时间: 2005-7-26 23:07

以前见过的都是begin with的用法,例如the story begin with a plane crash.题中begin in从什么开始有这种用法吗?



同问,有NN知道吗???


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-8-22 13:58

i checked on dictionary...


usually it says "to begin with" 是去开始的意思...


在国外..光讲 begin 或 to begin with 都是通的..所知有限...


所以DE 要加to 吗?? OG 没说, 我想不是一定的


而begin in 的问题我想 浅龙勿用 解释的很好了


Began是vi. in an unpromising apprenticeship 是介宾短语结构,在句子中做状语.


还盼NN解答~ 顺便帮我看看233啊~~谢谢!



作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-8-22 14:06

再补..


scholar 可以指职业吗?


Muller's career began in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit Scholar...


from dictionary...SCHOLAR 只能指人


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-9-6 22:12
up up~~~~
作者: yangsh    时间: 2005-9-12 15:08

Regarding the none"scholar" which refers to "career" in the right choice, I am confused about the defination of scholar which should refer to a human being as Weichenli was.


could anyone help me out?


作者: oceanalma    时间: 2005-9-16 12:55
看来这句话只能用culminated 来定义主语,这个span好像形容人,也可以吧
作者: z520m    时间: 2005-9-16 15:42
以下是引用junguo21c在2005-7-12 10:35:00的发言:

看来这里的疑问不少,我的疑问在于


235. Spanning more than fifty years, Friedrich Miiller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit(梵语) scholar and culminated in virtually every honor that European governments and learned societies could bestow.



(A) Miiller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as



(B) Miiller's career began in an unpromising apprenticeship as



(C) Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


(D) Miiller had begun his career with the unpromising apprenticeship of being



(E) the career of Miiller has begun with an unpromising apprenticeship of



c中apprenticeship of being a Sanskrit(梵语) scholar 错误在哪里?还是没有这样的用法?刚好c还有begin with的结构


C的错误在于逻辑不通,这里of being的逻辑主语是career,请问career怎么作为一个scholar?而B用了apprenticeship as,表示作为一个学徒,逻辑意思是对的!


作者: weichenli    时间: 2005-9-22 15:17
oh!! got it got it, thanks z520m, u're a great nn
作者: 淡蓝色的回忆    时间: 2005-10-8 19:07

我还是不懂,为什么这个 of being 的逻辑主语是  career, 为什么不是apprenticeship? 这个of being  不是紧接在 apprenticeship 之后 吗?


(C) Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


作者: 淡蓝色的回忆    时间: 2005-10-10 01:02

我还是不懂,为什么这个 of being 的逻辑主语是  career,???????????


这个疑惑一定要弄清楚!!!!!!! 求救。


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作者: 淡蓝色的回忆    时间: 2005-10-11 11:40

up ,  help!








我还是不懂,为什么这个 of being 的逻辑主语是  career, 为什么不是apprenticeship? 这个of being  不是紧接在 apprenticeship 之后 吗?


(C) Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being



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作者: jxjiao    时间: 2005-10-12 00:24

(B) Miiller's career began (in an unpromising apprenticeship) as
职业开始于他做。。学者学徒的那种环境(或者其他什么的)



(C) Miiller's career began with (the unpromising apprenticeship of being)


我想错在of being吧,apprenticeship cant not be a scholar


that's why we should say"...appreticeship as a scholar"




作者: 风过疏竹    时间: 2005-10-15 12:57

C:Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


Choice C corrects this error but produces an unidiomatic construction by using apprenticeship of being instead of apprenticeship as.


OG的解释里面,of being 的说法是不符合语言习惯的,这是排除它的主要原因。而且这个句子的主语是career所以才用as.这也是排除的一个方法。


而我的问题恰好就是OF BEING和as


我们常常说,being a student, I should study hard.


Being 和as的用法是不是一样的呀?实际上是没有Of being这个说法呀。


谢谢


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作者: 风过疏竹    时间: 2005-10-15 20:30
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作者: arrow9999    时间: 2005-10-17 15:21
以下是引用风过疏竹在2005-10-15 12:57:00的发言:

C:Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


Choice C corrects this error but produces an unidiomatic construction by using apprenticeship of being instead of apprenticeship as.


OG的解释里面,of being 的说法是不符合语言习惯的,这是排除它的主要原因。而且这个句子的主语是career所以才用as.这也是排除的一个方法。


而我的问题恰好就是OF BEING和as


我们常常说,being a student, I should study hard.


Being 和as的用法是不是一样的呀?实际上是没有Of being这个说法呀。


谢谢





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作者: z520m    时间: 2005-10-28 13:19
of being是不定式用法,就是说is的意思,可是这里应该用as比较妥当,就像og里的什么什么as a result和being a result的区别一样,在逻辑上和语法上,og严格区分as 和being的表达。我不知道我这样有没有表达清楚,在很多情况下,只有对等的A is B,而不对等的可以A as B.
作者: mmfoolish    时间: 2005-11-20 20:36





问题:Miiler's career the career of Miiler 有什么区别???

作者: goodwish    时间: 2006-1-6 00:02
以下是引用mmfoolish在2005-11-20 20:36:00的发言:







问题:Miiler's career the career of Miiler 有什么区别???



\Same question;



作者: tdyg    时间: 2006-2-28 08:19
以下是引用goodwish在2006-1-6 0:02:00的发言:








问题:Miiler's career the career of Miiler 有什么区别???



\Same question;




OG没有说the career of Miiler 有什么错。之所以把它放在错误选项里,大概是觉得这也是一个不妥的选项。


如果说它有什么不妥,我认为那就是wordy,没有Miiler's career 那么干脆、直截了当。何必饶来饶去?直接说Miiler's career 不就行了吗?


作者: hyte    时间: 2006-3-9 00:26
以下是引用风过疏竹在2005-10-15 12:57:00的发言:

C:Miiller's career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


Choice C corrects this error but produces an unidiomatic construction by using apprenticeship of being instead of apprenticeship as.


OG的解释里面,of being 的说法是不符合语言习惯的,这是排除它的主要原因。而且这个句子的主语是career所以才用as.这也是排除的一个方法。


而我的问题恰好就是OF BEING和as


我们常常说,being a student, I should study hard.


Being 和as的用法是不是一样的呀?实际上是没有Of being这个说法呀。


谢谢



ETS不喜歡being結構~您的例句最好改成: To be a student, I should study hard.


作者: juliet01192000    时间: 2006-3-25 10:14

235. Spanning more than fifty years, Friedrich Miller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit scholar and culminated in virtually every honor that European governments and learned societies could bestow.


(A) Miller began his career in an unpromising apprenticeship as


(B) Miller’s career began in an unpromising apprenticeship as


(C) Miller’s career began with the unpromising apprenticeship of being


(D) Miller had begun his career with the unpromising apprenticeship of beingB


(E) the career of Miller has begun with an unpromising apprenticeship of


ans:B



实在是不明白!


1 我认为Friedrich这个人发出 Spanning 和culminated这两个动作是符合逻辑的,为什么og和xdjm们说不符合?


2 在作题时,我一看到 Miller’s career 和as a Sanskrit scholar 对应我就先把B给排除了!想问Miller’s career 是没有生命的,他怎么能做a Sanskrit scholar(学者) ???


看了大家的讨论还是不明白。


盼解答,谢谢!:)


作者: juliet01192000    时间: 2006-3-27 01:03
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作者: 香香茶    时间: 2006-4-8 13:08

1,此题muller's career 和the career of muller应该不能作为判断正误的出发点,因为二者的意思差别不大,针对这两者的区别,OG也没有给出解释,反而是从其它语法点排除E的。如果OG要给它一个错误,最多也只是WORDY了。


2,根据spanning和culminated两个动词,可判断主语是muller's career 而非muller本人,原因在于,能够“跨越一段时间范围”并“达到顶峰”的只能是某人的职业生涯,如果变成某人的话显得很奇怪。


3,另外,began in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit scholar 没有不合理。M是以一个前景不大好的S语学者的学徒身份开始职业生涯的,翻成中文完全说的过去。


作者: gmatdk    时间: 2006-6-16 04:19
Thanks xiangxiang tea.
作者: gmatdk    时间: 2006-6-16 04:22

OG11 explaines

Muller's career is preferable to the career of Muller


作者: 叽里咕噜    时间: 2006-10-28 03:48
以下是引用香香茶在2006-4-8 13:08:00的发言:

1,此题muller's career 和the career of muller应该不能作为判断正误的出发点,因为二者的意思差别不大,针对这两者的区别,OG也没有给出解释,反而是从其它语法点排除E的。如果OG要给它一个错误,最多也只是WORDY了。

2,根据spanning和culminated两个动词,可判断主语是muller's career 而非muller本人,原因在于,能够“跨越一段时间范围”并“达到顶峰”的只能是某人的职业生涯,如果变成某人的话显得很奇怪。

3,另外,began in an unpromising apprenticeship as a Sanskrit scholar 没有不合理。M是以一个前景不大好的S语学者的学徒身份开始职业生涯的,翻成中文完全说的过去。

我明白mM说的前两点,但对第三点有些疑惑,即我还是不明白为什么career可以began...as a S scholar.

我注意到你的中文解释是以M这个人为主语的,会不会和正确选项“M's career”有出入呢?

香香茶mM应该已经考完了,那么有没有NN可以帮忙回答回答我的问题压?谢谢谢谢了先~

 


作者: zhch1222    时间: 2006-11-8 20:25
我觉得如果翻成“做为学徒”的话,应该是“of a Sanskrit scholar”而不是“as a Sanskrit scholar”才对啊,这样的话选E应该更好啊

作者: huangyh03    时间: 2007-9-6 00:37
以下是引用mmfoolish在2005-11-20 20:36:00的发言:
问题:Miiler's career the career of Miiler 有什么区别???

我觉得区别不大,但是在这题里请把之前的人家的名加上就看出来了,Friedrich Miiler's career 好呢还是Friedrich the career of Miiler好呢

应该显而易见吧 


作者: KATIEUS    时间: 2007-11-3 04:29

作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-18 22:13
apprenticeship of 这个搭配在gmat中是否永远错???
作者: maomao521    时间: 2007-12-1 18:16
以下是引用zhch1222在2006-11-8 20:25:00的发言:
我觉得如果翻成“做为学徒”的话,应该是“of a Sanskrit scholar”而不是“as a Sanskrit scholar”才对啊,这样的话选E应该更好啊

下面是longman上的解释,FYI

ap‧pren‧tice‧ship

the job of being an apprentice, or the period of time in which you are an apprentice:

He's
                
serving

            
an

            
apprenticeship

            
as a printer.
a five-year apprenticeship

作者: maomao521    时间: 2007-12-1 18:50

这里begin in和begin with都对么?


作者: yzhao26    时间: 2008-6-12 09:12
i think no difference
作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2008-9-3 23:33

这道题主语的关键判断点是:

career的意思:1、职业;2、生涯、经历、职业生涯

这里的career取的是第2个意思。

所以通过这道题,我们可以记住span、culminate更优先于与career而不是person搭配,当一个约定俗成来记就好了。


作者: supertom888    时间: 2008-9-14 22:21

还有一个问题:D、E中的had begun和has begun为什么不对?因为Friedrich Miiller's career应该在题目这句话写作之前已经结束了,所以我觉得按照句子的意思来讲,这里应该用完成时才对。

是不是因为要和后面的culminated平行,所以要用began?

请NN指点


作者: imagine8712    时间: 2008-12-11 10:17

begin (something)
                        as something
                    

phrasal verb
to be a particular thing at the start of your existence, working life etc:
Roger began his career as an office boy.
 
ap‧pren‧tice‧ship [uncountable and countable]
the job of being an apprentice, or the period of time in which you are an apprentice:
He's
                                
serving

                            
an

                            
apprenticeship

                                
as a printer.
a five-year apprenticeship
 
这都是字典里的解释~希望有点参考价值
还有关于of的一个说法:
used after nouns that refer to actions, or to people who do something, in order to show who or what the action is done to:
the cancellation of the meeting
the killing of innocent children
supporters of the project
这说明在C里面,apprenticeship of being a Sanskrit scholar说的是apprenticeship是a scholar,所以不通~
接受批评~

作者: imagine8712    时间: 2008-12-11 10:52
标题: 关于past perfect tense 和past tense

不知道supertom888 考完了没有,还能不能看到这个帖子

之前我也被og弄昏了,不知道现在完成时到底想表达什么,我又看了一遍,发现og10和og11的说法是有变化的,

在og10中,大多数都说现在完成时是表达:something that happened in the past, 这个可以看很多例子g10(88,90,213,265)

但是在og11中第一题就说,现在完成时must show action continuing into the present, as the use of the present perfect does here.所以就矛盾了,但我觉得og11的说法是对的,现在完成时表达的动作是,开始在过去,一直持续到现在的动作



作者: imagine8712    时间: 2008-12-11 10:53

og10的一个例子说明了og10的自我矛盾:

265. Thomas Eakins' powerful style and his choices of subject--the advances in modern surgery, the discipline of sport, the strains of individuals in tension with society or even with themselves--was as disturbing to his own time as it is compel­ling for ours.

(A)  was as disturbing to his own time as it is

(B)   were as disturbing to his own time as they are

(C)  has been as disturbing in his own time as they are

(D)  had been as disturbing in his own time as
                    it was

(E)   have been as disturbing in his own time as

Choice B, the best answer, exhibits correct subject-verb agreement and uses appropriate verb tenses. Choices A, C, and D contain errors of agreement: the compound subject style and... choices of subject requires a plural verb and should correspond to the plural pronoun they, not it. Further­more, C wrongly shifts to the present perfect tense (has been) to characterize something that happened in the past, while D uses the past tense was to characterize something that is happening in the present. In E, while the plural have agrees in number with the compound subject, the use of the present perfect tense (have been) is inappropriate for characterizing the effect of Eakins' work in his own time.


作者: imagine8712    时间: 2008-12-11 10:55

265这个例子中,想表达的是过去发生的事情,按原来的说法应该是可以用现在完成时的,但这里都不可以,都用了过去时,所以在og11里,ets应该是改变了


作者: szy733    时间: 2009-1-9 14:33

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作者: fishlibai    时间: 2009-7-8 05:40
我和supertom888有一样的疑问,这里为什么不用过去完成时,而用现在完成时?
作者: fishlibai    时间: 2009-7-8 05:42
以下是引用imagine8712在2008-12-11 10:55:00的发言:

265这个例子中,想表达的是过去发生的事情,按原来的说法应该是可以用现在完成时的,但这里都不可以,都用了过去时,所以在og11里,ets应该是改变了

mm你解释了好几楼,还是没解释为什么不用过去完成时呢?


作者: AlienX    时间: 2009-7-8 15:48
強調先後 or 強調過去發生但巳在過去結束才用past perfect tense...

作者: fansail    时间: 2010-7-29 00:07
begin是一个不延续的状态,而现在完成时通常是表示从过去延续到现在
start/begin这些词的时态用法可以google/Longman一下,应该不多见于完成时
作者: solde    时间: 2013-6-10 16:44
LS正解啊!顶一个~




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