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作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-9 08:33
标题: [求助]GWD9-1

GWD9-1


A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.


A. Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
C. a Black American—including Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
D. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
E. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man





The answer key says the answer is B, explaining the need for parallelism and a plural for Black American as each of those novels were written by different folks. However, I find the part after the dash in B rather a fragmented and the parallelism crooked. I just sense the answer should be E and think that as one refers to one of the three novels, hence the singular is alright, for Black American. And what's more, it seems parallel---Jean Toomer’s Cane, Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man.




"including", past participle is used as an adjective and gives extra information relating to "Black American".Here, 'including' coming after "-". In general, it should come after ",". However, the information coming after "Black American" relates to Black American's books, not Black Americans themselves. I see nothing wrong with E which use the "hyphens" to relate Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man to the primary subject of the independent clause, Jean Toomer’s Cane.




I chosed B at the first sight thinking "blank americans" according to "novels", but now i want to know what's wrong with E, and is B really alright? I'm thinking might be we're too strick on the word 'being'. Waiting for instruction.

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作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-9 08:36
oops.. don't know why i can't edit it.. sorry for the poor typeset...
作者: ReedSong    时间: 2004-7-9 16:25
同样的疑惑,等待高手指点!
作者: xealot    时间: 2004-7-9 16:52

如果说是C, D, E,相当于说three best .... written by ONE SINGLE Black American.....


作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-9 16:54

B中的including 是介词。

E中说the three best novels ever writen by a Black America, 意思是一个美国人写了三本最好的书,那么后面应该解释还有两本是什么书,而选项中却突然说了另外两个作者,逻辑矛盾。


作者: TopTerminator    时间: 2004-7-9 16:58
同意LES!!!!
作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-9 17:34

我一开始也是像LES说的那样,觉得几本书一个人写不合逻辑意思,可是后来想想,我们同样可以理解成,三本由美国黑人写的书,这里的a并不强调数量,如果说the three best novels ever writen by one Black America就会不同了。况且想我上面说的,破折号连接两个句子,这里既然用including介词,为什么不用逗号,很不符合书面用法。

这里比较的是三本书,而E仿佛非常对称。而且E并不是说另外两个作者哦,而是另外两给作者的书,没什么问题啊?

请继续指点哦~


作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-9 17:58
哈哈E选项后面是提到两本书,刚刚看走眼了,看到D选项去了。但是即使这样,E还是有逻辑矛盾问题。a Black America 就是指一个美国作家,即使不是在强调数量,还是一个美国作家。
作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-10 08:21
那如果E把单数改成复数是不是就可以了?我昨天问了几个native speaker,他们都是第一反应就是E,这让我有些惊讶。问问原因,都说这个破折号后跟including别扭。看来他们对大框架的要求高于小错误。不过这题想多了挺confusing的,不知考试会不会碰到这种题~
作者: vincent0330    时间: 2004-7-10 10:07

by checking several grammar books, the dash, not hyphen, act two functions.

I. to indicate an interruption or an afterthough: We'll be there- at least- in an hour!

II. to indicate special emphasis in place of a comma: Give people what they want- money, fame, and power.

back to the question, I pick up B for the answer, not only because "writen by Black Americans" , for me, is well sound to modify "the three best novels", but also because dash, sometime act as a comma, represent the extra idea.

besides, think of "dash" as "comma" !!  the present particle phrase is bearing on the whole sentence while the E " others being..........."  produces the awaward sense.

further discuession are welcome....


作者: vincent0330    时间: 2004-7-10 10:13
以下是引用arundhati在2004-7-10 8:21:00的发言:
那如果E把单数改成复数是不是就可以了?我昨天问了几个native speaker,他们都是第一反应就是E,这让我有些惊讶。问问原因,都说这个破折号后跟including别扭。看来他们对大框架的要求高于小错误。不过这题想多了挺confusing的,不知考试会不会碰到这种题~


well, asking the natives isn't always a good way to discover the  formal English though some oral usage can get by this way.


I remember three months ago I have asked my ESL teacher about the 杨鹏难句, nevertheless, the answer is " creative writing"--- which means they do think this is the formal writing skill.


sigh........


作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-11 11:45

谢谢狗狗的详解,我开始和你想的一样,只是看这题看多了,想的也多了,不过这题应该是中等难度题,没必要深究了

谢谢大家指点~


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-7-26 09:37

这道up一下。

今天看到时很困惑,看了大家的讨论,倾向于说black americans理由是前面是three best novels不过偶认为这里的focus是前面的one of 所以感觉上a black american好些,不过问题是E,the others being好像有点不像ets的风格,然而从语法角度讲这种说法也是成立的,大家能再讨论下么?


作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-26 10:33

A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans

written by 这个后置定语是就近修饰three best novels的,所以是Black Americans.


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-27 00:00

哈哈,太好了,偶也是今天再次看这题,坚定不移地选E,从一般认识来看,novel总是一个人搞定,所以这里的关系是一对一关系,参OG252;而且including的修饰对象也不如E表达的明确;当然,偶还认为E的sb's sth是标准的表达而且平行。

252. Three out of every four automobile owners in the United States also own a bicycle.

(A)  Three out of every four automobile owners in the United States also own a bicycle.

(B)  Out of every four, three automobile owners in the United States also owns a bicycle.

(C)  Bicycles are owned by three out of every four owners of automobiles in the United States.

(D)  In the United States, three out of every four automobile owners owns bicycles.

(E)   Out of every four owners of automobiles in the United States, bicycles are also owned by three.

A, the best choice, is concise, idiomatic, and maintains subject-verb agreement. In B, Out of every four, three is unidiomatic. The singular verb owns does not agree with its plural subject, three ... owners. The passive construction in C (Bicycles are owned by) is cumbersome and does not contribute meaningfully to the sentence. The shift to plural Bicycles detracts from clarity by suggesting that multiple bicycles are owned by each person in question. In D, the singular owns does not agree with its plural subject three... owners. Furthermore, the plural bicycles detracts from clarity by suggesting that multiple bicycles are owned by each person in question. In E, the phrase beginning Out of every four ... cannot properly modify bicycles, and the passive construction (bicycles are also owned) is awkward and does not contribute meaningfully to the sentence. The plural nouns bicycles and automobiles suggest imprecisely that each person owns more than one of each.


作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-27 09:59

偶还是坚持选B。

这和one of sth. that从句的结构是一样的that从句就近修饰sth.,这里只是把that从句改成过去分词做后置定语。


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-7-27 10:26

B的Native Son by Richard Wright是不是标准的用法呢?


作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-28 10:42
以下是引用tianwan在2004-7-27 10:26:00的发言:

B的Native Son by Richard Wright是不是标准的用法呢?

这点不确定,但是others being 是不标准的表达,偶确定。
作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 10:53
以下是引用LES在2004-7-28 10:42:00的发言:
这点不确定,但是others being 是不标准的表达,偶确定。


为什么?独立主格,表达挺清楚的。
作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-28 10:56

是看着being不顺眼!

stoneren,能讲讲Native Son by Richard Wright到底是不是标准的表达呢?谢谢!


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 11:02
以下是引用LES在2004-7-28 10:56:00的发言:

是看着being不顺眼!


stoneren,能讲讲Native Son by Richard Wright到底是不是标准的表达呢?谢谢!



个人觉得如果改为written by可能表达比较好,否则的话,我认为by本身表达不是很清楚;而且,我之所以选E也考虑到sb's sth这个未划线部分的结构肯定是可行的。
作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-28 11:38
以下是引用stoneren在2004-7-28 11:02:00的发言:


个人觉得如果改为written by可能表达比较好,否则的话,我认为by本身表达不是很清楚;而且,我之所以选E也考虑到sb's sth这个未划线部分的结构肯定是可行的。

谢谢stoneren!这倒提醒偶了,前面有written by 的,这里可不可以看成是省略形式呢?


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 11:47

当然,我承认by可以作为省略,但是,如果有一个更为清楚的表达,为什么要选这个有点模糊的呢?

其实,这道题的判断我分了三个部分,首先是主语到底是单数还是复数,我个人倾向于单数;第二,到底是A's B的所有格表达清楚还是by介短表达清楚,我倾向于前者,而且前者平行;第三,B中的including我认为表达地不是很清楚,修饰对象并不明确。


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-7-30 03:09

偶的疑问是B中的including,为什么前面要有破折号?另外是one of three books including,还是three books including?

好像E中的one, the others更好些?


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-7-30 12:08

借用一下stoneren的思路.


首先是主语到底是单数还是复数,我个人倾向于单数


我觉得应该用复数, one of the three best novels ever written by, 其中written by应该是修饰three novels. 如果用单数,难免有三本书出自同一人之嫌。


第二,到底是A's B的所有格表达清楚还是by介短表达清楚,我倾向于前者,而且前者平行


我觉得是by表达清楚。


首先,A by B结构明确得表达了B创作了A这个关系。Longman上是这么解释的:


▶WRITER/COMPOSER ETC◀
used to give the name of someone who wrote a book, produced a film, wrote a piece of music etc
- the 'New World Symphony' by Dvorak
- a short story by Charles Dickens
- Who's it by?


而B's A只是表达了所属关系。我觉得没有B by A清楚。补充一个大全的例子:


1.        A collection of 38 poems by Phillis Wheatley, a slave, was published in the 1770’s, the first book by a Black woman and it was only the second published by an American woman.


(A) it was only the second published by an American woman


(B) it was only the second that an American woman published


(C) the second one only published by an American woman


(D) the second one only that an American woman publishedE


(E) only the second published by an American woman



第三,B中的including我认为表达地不是很清楚,修饰对象并不明确。


我觉得这问题应该和破折号有关,同marie mm一样,我也不明白为什么有破折号。不知道大家对这个破折号有什么看法?


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作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-30 12:09
以下是引用mariezhu在2004-7-30 3:09:00的发言:

偶的疑问是B中的including,为什么前面要有破折号?另外是one of three books including,还是three books including?


好像E中的one, the others更好些?



偶觉得前面加破折号就是为了明确补充说明前面的句子内容,否则的话including在这个位置应该修饰前面最近的名词-Black Americans,肯定错。


另外关于being的问题,查了一下mm原来发过的一个精华贴结合XDF的笔记,两者都认为GMAT考试中只有用在介词后面才是对的。


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-7-30 14:22
GWD9-1
A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.
B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
E. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man
看了各位NN的讨论后,感觉这一题的B和E从语法上都说得通。
E的问题在于the others 可能和one并列,也可能和the three best novels并列。
所以还是B应该更好。

作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-30 15:27

谢谢tianwan的支持!

真的好开心,让偶拾回一点自信心。

因为最近发现总是和NN们走不到一块去。


作者: jimjohn    时间: 2004-8-1 04:46
以下是引用tianwan在2004-7-30 14:22:00的发言:

GWD9-1


A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.


B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
E. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man

看了各位NN的讨论后,感觉这一题的B和E从语法上都说得通。

E的问题在于the others 可能和one并列,也可能和the three best novels并列。

所以还是B应该更好。


If B is right, "including" sould be eliminated. I'm not sure what the answer is, but "a Black American, the others Native Son by R.W and Invisible Man by R.E." might better than all the answers.
作者: paopao    时间: 2004-9-13 13:15
以下是引用rhod在2004-7-30 12:08:00的发言:

我觉得这问题应该和破折号有关,同marie mm一样,我也不明白为什么有破折号。不知道大家对这个破折号有什么看法?







rhod,


破折号  1)用于一个解释性分句或句子前面   2)用在一个解释性的插入语的前面或后面   3)总括前面列举的若干东西



实用英语语法 张道真P576



B对


作者: xoway    时间: 2004-9-15 18:06

这道题我选E.

做的时候考虑很久by a Black American是否没有问题,因为撇开这点不管的话,E选项有两点比较好:
一是one...the other结构比较工整;二是三个sb's sth非常对应。

解题的关键在究竟应该是by one 还是by ones,by one是不是有错误。

从题面来看,反对by one有一定道理,因为对应的是三本书,by one的话可能会理解成一个人写三本书;
反对by ones同样也有道理,因为可能会理解成很多人写不知道多少本书,缺乏对应关系。
这两种理解都很难从直观上证明正确或是错误。

而对E的最大支持来自于og,stoneren已经举了252自行车那道题,这是ets对多对一结构的直接支持,ets也说那样更清楚。
而下面这句,是从网上搜到的句子,可以从另一方面支持这个结构。
Jean Toomer wrote Cane.Published in 1923,it has been called one of the three best novels ever written by an African American.
竟然和本题惊人的相似,怀疑ets是不是在网上乱找些句子然后改改就拿来做考题了,呵呵


鬼子怎么定的,咱们就怎么记吧,自己想多少条理由也没用。


作者: bloodcherry    时间: 2004-9-20 02:36

还是有点不能信服的感觉..

我选B不过现在瞅着E越来越顺眼。....

如果E把being 改成are的话,会不会更好更清楚呢?有请NN指点...


作者: valarie    时间: 2004-9-21 10:59
I chose E. But I'm not satisfed by either B or E. go on discussion ba.
作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-9-26 21:33
以下是引用xoway在2004-9-15 18:06:00的发言:

这道题我选E.


做的时候考虑很久by a Black American是否没有问题,因为撇开这点不管的话,E选项有两点比较好:
一是one...the other结构比较工整;二是三个sb's sth非常对应。


解题的关键在究竟应该是by one 还是by ones,by one是不是有错误。


从题面来看,反对by one有一定道理,因为对应的是三本书,by one的话可能会理解成一个人写三本书;
反对by ones同样也有道理,因为可能会理解成很多人写不知道多少本书,缺乏对应关系。
这两种理解都很难从直观上证明正确或是错误。


而对E的最大支持来自于og,stoneren已经举了252自行车那道题,这是ets对多对一结构的直接支持,ets也说那样更清楚。
而下面这句,是从网上搜到的句子,可以从另一方面支持这个结构。
Jean Toomer wrote Cane.Published in 1923,it has been called one of the three best novels ever written by an African American.
竟然和本题惊人的相似,怀疑ets是不是在网上乱找些句子然后改改就拿来做考题了,呵呵



鬼子怎么定的,咱们就怎么记吧,自己想多少条理由也没用。


这个搜到的句子让我开始怀疑b。前面说的one。。the other和sb's sth的平行我觉得都不足以说明b错误,因为ets对什么时候要严格平行什么时候不要严格平行的界限实在比较模糊。

如果by an black amerian是对的话,我就选e


作者: 携隐    时间: 2004-10-4 10:12

这个题目当时我去查了白勇的书,白勇说破折号可以引出"作补出说明的句子或短语/同位语/插入语/列举的事物". 本题E应该符合最后一条"列举的事物"吧, 而且也是补充说明. 鉴于including也是短语也是补充说明,没拿这个上来说.这两天做到GWD7, 发现第2题:


GWD-7-Q2:



The first commercially successful drama to depict Black family life sympathetically and the first play by a Black woman to be produced on Broadway, it was Lorraine Hansberry’s A Raisin in the Sun that won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award in 1959, and was later made into both a film and a musical.







  1. it was Lorraine Hansberry’s A Raisin in the Sun that won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award in 1959, and was later made


  2. in 1959 A Raisin in the Sun, by Lorraine Hansberry, won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award and was later made


  3. Lorraine Hansberry won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award for A Raisin in the Sun in 1959, and it was later made


  4. Lorraine Hansberry’s A Raisin in the Sun won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award in 1959 and was later made


  5. A Raisin in the Sun, by Lorraine Hansberry, won the New York Drama Critics’ Circle Award in 1959, and later made it


正确答案是D. 可见ETS是偏向A's work而不是work by A的.



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10月6日, 又做到一道by谁谁谁不是答案的题目. 看来ETS真的不喜欢这个表达,老是把它用在错误答案里, 大全589:


1.         ublished during the late eighteenth century, Diderot’s factual Encyclopedia and his friend Voltaire’s fictional Candide were the cause of such a sensational scandal, and both men prudently chose to embark on extended vacations in nearby Austria.


(A) Diderot’s factual Encyclopedia and his friend Voltaire’s fictional Candide were the cause of such a sensational scandal, and


(B) Diderot and his friend Voltaire’s caused such a sensational scandal with their factual Encyclopedia and fictional Candide, respectively, that


(C) Diderot’s factual Encyclopedia and his friend Voltaire’s fictional Candide were the cause of a scandal so sensational that


(D) the scandal caused by Diderot’s factual Encyclopedia and his friend Voltaire’s fictional Candide was so sensational(C)


(E) a factual Encyclopedia by Diderot and the fictional Candide, by his friend Voltaire, caused a sensational scandal, which



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作者: 呆板彻底    时间: 2004-10-7 12:01

看来这道题的答案是e。真的,看看搜来得句子吧。惊人的相似。。

JEAN TOOMER, 1894-1967, wrote "Cane", which was published in 1923, and has been called one of the three best novels ever written by an African American. The other two are Richard Wright's "Native Son", and Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man".


作者: exan    时间: 2004-10-15 01:52

1.从意思来看

3本书,包括Native Son by RW and Invisible Man by RE

B的逻辑不对,明明只有两本书;这应该是想要说除了JT's Cane以外的书是什么。

2.从平行角度来说,JT's Cane应该对应XX's XXX

E对


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作者: blur    时间: 2004-10-21 04:41

agree with E.


作者: lifelover    时间: 2004-10-23 00:57

我服了E了。


作者: roberta    时间: 2004-10-23 10:43

看来E是对的了。


作者: bose0008    时间: 2004-10-27 03:39

after seeing all the posts, i agree with E.   but this is really a confusing question.

1. parallelism: Jean Toomer’s Cane, Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man

2. by a black american, not by black americans...         (sigh, not a native speaker)

3. ----  &  including


作者: JasonJi    时间: 2004-10-29 18:43

test


作者: 无痕若雪    时间: 2004-11-11 12:10
过分,本来都很坚信自己选B的。。。。
作者: dajiqi    时间: 2004-11-22 14:09

依然困惑.


但是找到一条ETS在上下文(并从逻辑上)意思清楚的情况下认可by表达为written by.


请见阅读大全Passage 73 (10/22) 第一段


During the Victorian period, women writers were measured against a social rather than a literary ideal. Hence, it was widely thought that novels by women should be modest, religious, sensitive, guileless, and chaste, like their authors.


此处清楚的表达了novels by women=novels written by women. 因为上文有所提及.


再看本篇阅读的第一个问题.


1.      The primary purpose of the passage is to


(A) refute the contention that no Victorian woman writer produced a novel like War and Peace


(B) trace the historical relationship between radical feminist politics and the Victorian novels written by women


第二次直接用了novels written by women, 因为从问题的句子本身来看, 并不能省略written, 否则表达不清楚.



甚至于, 在阅读大全中, 有不少例子直接用by, 而不用done by, 省略了实意动词, 如大全Passage 103 (3/17)第二段


She concludes that among ordinary citizens, political activism by women in the nineteenth century prefigured trends in twentieth-century politics.



但是, 哭笑不得!!!



请见这一句No. 3-1 SECTION A


Notable as important nineteenth-century novels by women, Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein and Emily Bronte’s Wuthering Heights treat women very differently.



novels by women 与本句B一致


但是后面的A’B AND C’D又与选项E一致.



但是综合看来, written by including都不是B选项的硬伤, three novels written by a black amercian 是硬伤


大家讨论.
作者: aiaidi    时间: 2004-12-2 15:13
第一次,我做GWD-9-1时选E,答案上说是B;可第二次,我做GWD-12-1时还是选的E——见了鬼了——这次答案居然变为E了。
作者: 瑜珑    时间: 2004-12-2 16:43
LES,我夜选了B.不知道现在有没有定论了
作者: habaosb    时间: 2004-12-2 16:54
要我选择,我一定选B:

原因有两点:

1.一定要选Black Americans,而不是A black america;因为这是个定语,修饰前面的novels,根据平衡原则,这里算一个平衡点

2.现在只剩下A和B可供选择,A和原文一模一样,而且要做状语,也没有连接词,还是有inlcuding的B好多了.

以下是引用arundhati在2004-7-9 8:33:00的发言:

GWD9-1


A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.


A. Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
C. a Black American—including Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
D. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man
E. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man





The answer key says the answer is B, explaining the need for parallelism and a plural for Black American as each of those novels were written by different folks. However, I find the part after the dash in B rather a fragmented and the parallelism crooked. I just sense the answer should be E and think that as one refers to one of the three novels, hence the singular is alright, for Black American. And what's more, it seems parallel---Jean Toomer’s Cane, Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man.




"including", past participle is used as an adjective and gives extra information relating to "Black American".Here, 'including' coming after "-". In general, it should come after ",". However, the information coming after "Black American" relates to Black American's books, not Black Americans themselves. I see nothing wrong with E which use the "hyphens" to relate Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man to the primary subject of the independent clause, Jean Toomer’s Cane.




I chosed B at the first sight thinking "blank americans" according to "novels", but now i want to know what's wrong with E, and is B really alright? I'm thinking might be we're too strick on the word 'being'. Waiting for instruction.





作者: terry_run    时间: 2004-12-2 17:30

I spent 10 mins on it and I finally agree with E which at least avoid a flawed expression :

americans- including book1 by and book 2 by

further comments are welcome~


作者: skyalan    时间: 2004-12-12 21:15

给点看法:

首先,网上搜到的不一定是对的!美国人说话就没有语法错误了么? an black american 一个很明显的错误冠词an . 它可以犯an的错误, 为什么不能犯本应该是 black americans 的错误呢。 很可能ETS就是把这个句子当作错句,作为语法的更正来出题,而错句子本身也成为干扰选项之一

其次,根据语法规则看。LES讲的很有道理,novels是三个人分别写的,怎么样都不能by a black american. 我今天刚复习了白勇语法,物主为人可以用sbo's n 也可以用 n of sbo.但是物主为物只能用 n of sth; being只能用在介词后,放再E里明显罗嗦。

总之,如果ETS这么狠这么愚蠢还是跟着网上搜到的句子犯错误,我认了,坚定不移的选B!


作者: lost_my_account    时间: 2004-12-12 21:58
SC第一大规则-——逻辑
作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-12-29 10:34
B的including是不恰当的. 这里要求的是列举出其他两本
作者: mingzhu_du    时间: 2005-1-6 05:35
请大家再讨论吧,1月4号有个GG的第一道题就是考了这道,他V 44 分,他选的B, 不知道从分数能不能看出问题!sign… 我还不知道选什么。原来我选B,怎么看了大家的讨论,觉得又不对了?
作者: 午马起行    时间: 2005-1-6 13:45

我就是上楼提到的那个gg。本来很坚定认为是B,考试中没怎么看就选了它。但看了各位的帖子以及几位g友的讨论后,有些不确定。为了避免给后来的XDJM带来困扰,希望各位nn继续讨论,给出详细解答。


作者: sv2000    时间: 2005-1-6 15:49

我觉得这个题选E,请参考GWD-13-11,有点异曲同工。

Q11:

A South American bird that forages for winged termites and other small insects while swinging upside down form the foliage of tall trees, the graveteiro belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that includes more than 230 species and that are represented in virtually every kind of habitat.

  1. graveteiro belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that includes more than 230 species and that are
  2. graveteiro belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that includes more than 230 species and is
  3. graveteiro belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that include more than 230 species and  is
  4. graveteiro, which belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that includes more than 230 species and that are
  5. graveteiro, which belongs to the ovenbird family, a group of New World tropical birds that includes more than 230 species and is

   Answer: B


作者: 漆潇潇    时间: 2005-1-8 11:08

GWD9-1我选B.

1. WRITEN BY是修饰NOVELS的, 所以一定是复数

2. 后面也列出了其他两本书及它们的作者, 说明这个NOVELS是有三个人写的. 更说明了BLACK AMERICANS应该复树

3.至于迫着号的用法, 这点先不研究, 就当作和豆号有区别吧, 因为如果等同豆号的话, INCLUDING就变成修饰BLACK AMERICANS了, 这题就没法先了.


作者: 爱维的天    时间: 2005-1-10 01:45
呵呵!都已经过年了,这道题还没有答案耶…
作者: cy9175    时间: 2005-1-10 20:04

我原来选b 但现在从逻辑意义上来看,还是e 好呀。

A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.

前面已经说 Jean Toomer’s Cane 是三本中的一本,那面下面就应该介绍其他两本,那就只能用the others 呀,如果只用including,不是要把三本全列出来。


作者: lixunhuan    时间: 2005-1-22 01:08

这道题讨论了很久但始终没个结论.今天我请教的我的英语语法老师,a native English speaker and has been working as an English grammar teacher for 20+ years at one of the best public school districts in the U.S., 以下是她给我的结论:

The correct answer is E for the following reasons:

1. The novel, Cane by Jean Toomer, is the subject of the sentence. Therefore, in the second part of the sentence, which starts with "the others", the "others" should also be novels (not people).
2. Each book was written by a single individual, not by a group. Therefore, it should be "written by a Black American" rather than "by Black Americans".
3. In addition, answer E does a nice job of listing all three books in a consistent way. (i.e. "Jean Toomer's Cane". "Richard Wright's Native Son", Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man")

我希望今天该是draw a conclusion的时候了.


作者: legendbird    时间: 2005-2-6 23:41
太好了,那就E吧
作者: scorpio0001    时间: 2005-3-10 19:18
感谢lixunhuan以及各位牛人的讨论,让我们受益匪浅。
作者: juningw    时间: 2005-3-30 17:03

我选B。E逻辑有问题,应该用Black Americans。Native Son by Richard Wright的表达方式也比Richard Wright’s Native Son要好。

还有the others being的表达方式不够简洁。请注意这儿的破折号(如果没有破折号,B肯定错)。


作者: ring_cheng    时间: 2005-4-1 11:16
以下是引用lixunhuan在2005-1-22 1:08:00的发言:

这道题讨论了很久但始终没个结论.今天我请教的我的英语语法老师,a native English speaker and has been working as an English grammar teacher for 20+ years at one of the best public school districts in the U.S., 以下是她给我的结论:


The correct answer is E for the following reasons:


1. The novel, Cane by Jean Toomer, is the subject of the sentence. Therefore, in the second part of the sentence, which starts with "the others", the "others" should also be novels (not people).

2. Each book was written by a single individual, not by a group. Therefore, it should be "written by a Black American" rather than "by Black Americans".

3. In addition, answer E does a nice job of listing all three books in a consistent way. (i.e. "Jean Toomer's Cane". "Richard Wright's Native Son", Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man")

我希望今天该是draw a conclusion的时候了.



其它问题先不谈,这位语法老师可却没有指出E中being的问题啊?难道她认为这也是合语法的么?如果是起解释作用的分句,就应该用--the others are .....; 如果是独立主格,应该是, the others Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man,   being根本是多余的词呀!


ETS越来越鬼了!


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作者: greatvampire    时间: 2005-4-1 15:23

鬼子越来越不像话了

不管了,要真碰到这题就选E,错了也认了!


作者: autumn_leaves    时间: 2005-4-8 17:04

我还要会蒙B,前面那个说有人考试碰到出现在第一道??

第一道从难度上来说不会出这么BT的题目吧????


作者: colacat    时间: 2005-4-8 18:04
以下是引用ringcheng在2005-4-1 11:16:00的发言:



其它问题先不谈,这位语法老师可却没有指出E中being的问题啊?难道她认为这也是合语法的么?如果是起解释作用的分句,就应该用--the others are .....; 如果是独立主格,应该是, the others Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man,   being根本是多余的词呀!


ETS越来越鬼了!




我觉的可以认为是独立主格,be动词不省略而变成现在分词的处理是可以是整个句子更清晰和明确


作者: tulipmontreal    时间: 2005-4-9 09:56

我以前都选B, 这个是我们中国人的逻辑 认为NOVELS是要AMERICANS写的 而正确的英语语法应该是一本是一个人写的

另外请看

Demons of Air and Darkness, the DS9 book by Keith R.A. DeCandido, was one of the two standout novels of the series, the other being Cold Wars. Demons advances the DS9 relaunch characters and the previous story line already established for those characters in prior DS9 novels as does Cold Wars.

这样的例子非常多 而且THE OTHER BEING的例子也非常多, 是习惯用法 前面ONE OF 后面THE OTHER BEING.

所以同意选E

花了一个小时 得出这个结论 错了也认了


作者: BiteGmat    时间: 2005-4-23 10:19

讨论太多了,眼花!好像没有看到关于including的问题

这个including是不是有问题呢,到底谁including呢,novels or Americans?

the others 对应 one of the three 似乎能很好的避免这个歧义

请指正


作者: mudfish    时间: 2005-5-2 12:36
以下是引用BiteGmat在2005-4-23 10:19:00的发言:

讨论太多了,眼花!好像没有看到关于including的问题


这个including是不是有问题呢,到底谁including呢,novels or Americans?


the others 对应 one of the three 似乎能很好的避免这个歧义


请指正




此言有理。原来我一直坚信B是正确的,但看了各位的讨论后,决定投靠 E 啦


原因:(1)ever written by... 对应的是前面的one


          (2)one of ... , the others 形式对称


请指教


作者: leisure1221    时间: 2005-5-3 12:48

从平行,逻辑,和语感及习惯用法看,只有e最好,我认为b最明显的问题是including的出现,不太符合英文的习惯用法,虽然表面上好像没有语法错误,但又有谁能举出一个类似用法的正确例子呢,因此b,c选项是首先要排除的两个选项,而b其他部分再象答案也是不可能正确的,因为答案首先要符合gz的语言习惯,而不是我们自己的逻辑。


作者: windflower560    时间: 2005-5-4 15:48

偶两次选都选的E),看了大家的解释,还是坚定一下信心。


第一次做了,看答案B,以为自己懂为什么选B了(没考虑前面书名written...by作者,后面两个也是这个结构)还把自己臭骂了一顿。


今天做,又错,还是选的E.来CD上面看,选E.


因为模考的时候,没有时间想那么多,一个题没有弄懂,很可能会拖后腿,就像今天,我在B.E之间犹豫了很长时间,不知道ETS到底想考什么,又那个考点在前,哪个考点该稍后考虑,晕!!时间又在走,觉得E好,选


再说,也不是说有being就一定错,大家做多了题,记的规则也好,还是做题的经验也好,遇到有being 的选项就会觉得它扎眼,不喜欢。


Axon – One of the three parts of the NEURON, the others being the DENDRITES and SOMA. The axon is the main part of the neuron, covered throughout with a myelin sheath, apart from those small areas known as the Nodes of Ranvier


It also ensured he became only the third non-African runner to break 13 minutes
for 5000m, the others being 1992 Olympic champion Dieter Baumann of Germany and
American Bob Kennedy.这是一篇雅典奥运的报道


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作者: windflower560    时间: 2005-5-4 16:01

本题:A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.
B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison
E. a Black American—the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man


大家主要讨论在B,E,偶就把这两项留下。


搜索得到:


JEAN TOOMER, 1894-1967, wrote "Cane", which was published in 1923, and has been called one of the three best novels ever written by an African American. The other two are Richard Wright's "Native Son", and Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man".


链接:http://www.tangledwire.com/www/tangledwire/Twire/Afam/Backhistory/BH_Literature.htm


虽说不一样,偶还是选E


大家看呢?


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作者: windflower560    时间: 2005-5-4 16:09

大家看破折号和being 有关系么?


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作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-5-15 13:03

windflower, 你的例子很有说服力!

但是有一个问题不解: GMAT中的破折号应该是可以修饰前面紧跟的名词或者前面结构的中心词, 为什么这题就一定要修饰到novel上面, 不能是修饰American吗?

请教了!


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-5-17 22:19
自己顶一下!
作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-27 19:52

不能是修饰American吗?


one of … the others being


好像很常用啊……


这么难的题,ETS竟然放到第一题,真FT!


作者: 携隐    时间: 2005-6-12 10:51

关于including,大家看一下GWD-8-32:


http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=58683&page=1


第3楼有stoneren的解释,说including无论是作状语修饰主句,还是作定语就近修饰,都不合逻辑。则本题好像也是一样的情况,including作状语修饰主句主语CANE(一本书)还是就近修饰Americans,都不合逻辑。


作者: melodyji    时间: 2005-6-16 12:41
我一直想问:including 有没有可能修饰Americans。。。。我第一眼就排除B,就是觉得有歧义
作者: happyfish0517    时间: 2005-6-17 16:42
以下是引用cy9175在2005-1-10 20:04:00的发言:

A mixture of poems and short fiction, Jean Toomer’s Cane has been called one of the three best novels ever written by Black Americans—the others being Richard Wright, author of Native Son, and Ralph Ellison, author of Invisible Man.


前面已经说 Jean Toomer’s Cane 是三本中的一本,那面下面就应该介绍其他两本,那就只能用the others 呀,如果只用including,不是要把三本全列出来。


我做题的时候就是这样排除B的,NN们用的语法点我都没考虑...仅仅从逻辑意思上来讲,还是E比较好...B后面至少要加一句AND THE BOOK MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING.


作者: northeuro    时间: 2005-6-20 11:56
这道题目看来和OG 252真的有异曲同工之妙啊,以后再碰到,肯定选E!尽管今天做错了,还是很高兴,查漏补缺了一把!
作者: flugel    时间: 2005-7-22 01:23

不知道这样的看法算不算是一个补充:


题干中的是Jean Toomer’s Cane  


而E中的Richard Wright’s Native Son and Ralph Ellison’s Invisible Man正好和题干里面的同类书籍的表达结构一致,就是一个对应的关系。所以从这上面看选E也是有道理的


作者: pengpengming    时间: 2005-7-22 09:20
vote for E
作者: 蓝夕叶子    时间: 2005-7-28 15:26

E了,狂FT~


既然E中的being不是争论的焦点,我觉得其他表达都很正确。


而且,平行的表达优先级很高!~


including也是非常不爽~


作者: wwwhahchn    时间: 2005-8-28 19:51

如果written是修饰the three best novels,那么the three best novels ever written by a Black American变成主动形式不就成了a Black American ever wrote the three best novels??这样是肯定不对的,除非written是修饰one的


困惑啊


作者: tania    时间: 2005-9-1 12:06
以下是引用wwwhahchn在2005-8-28 19:51:00的发言:

如果written是修饰the three best novels,那么the three best novels ever written by a Black American变成主动形式不就成了a Black American ever wrote the three best novels??这样是肯定不对的,除非written是修饰one的


困惑啊



不知道如何解释,但可以用排除法排除其他选项,其他的选项都有硬伤


A      the others应该指的是书,而不是人,所以不对


B     如果用including,即使是修饰书,后面也应该是三个,而不是两个,所以不对


C     同上,只不过这里including 是用于修饰人,但也应该是三个


D    错误同A


所以选E,虽然我说不清这里为什么用单数,但鉴于复数名词后面可以单数宾语(比如og那道题几个人每人拥有一辆自行车),所以是不是单数名词后面也可以用复数宾语呢


期待进一步讨论


作者: wxf    时间: 2005-9-2 12:10

B. Black Americans—including Native Son by Richard Wright and Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison


是正确答案


理由:1 Black Americans 逻辑正确


2.including: 做介词,属规范用法,见Longman:


  including: prep used to introduce something or someone that is included in the larger group or amount you have just mentioned: There were twelve of us, including me and Tom


3. 破折号应与逗号作用相同(未考证)


4. written 可省略,结构平行。


5. one of....the others being 似乎未构成平行结构, 至少应该是 one is(being?)... the others are(being?)


6.being? 实在不爽。


作者: oldest    时间: 2005-9-3 20:30

being实在不爽?呵呵,那考试时候要吃苦头了,being对的也不是一道两道了。


E


作者: vacationer    时间: 2005-9-5 08:22

ETS太BT了,这么难的题放在第1道



作者: ESeraph    时间: 2005-9-5 11:14

Bad question. good discussion


作者: sammaijgd    时间: 2005-9-9 16:12

题目出的太恶心了


作者: pebbles    时间: 2005-9-19 03:37

投E一票!


作者: PKGMAT    时间: 2005-10-5 15:40
投E,请注意前面 Jean Toomer’s Cane 的用法,在对称上是多么完美。在逻辑意思上也完全可以解释得通。
作者: vancouverade    时间: 2005-10-7 16:39
大家去问鬼佬的语法,其实他们很多是根据自己的语感,而不是ETS的语法规则来断的,所以鬼佬的选择不一定是对的
作者: dreamerps    时间: 2005-10-8 17:35

T_T....BT题目


作者: 无尾小恶魔    时间: 2005-10-16 12:39

这道题请教了教GMAT的老师,她说选E比较好,black americans 和 a black american 是ETS用来欺骗大家的,其实连个都正确,做这道题的时候不要看这个地方,重点在破折号之后,主语是一本小说,按照逻辑,后面提到的也应该是小说,所以A,C就不对了。B不好的理由在于它引起歧义,including可以理解为Cane这本书包含了另外两本书,而且E是非常完美的对称。


个人解释,希望能对最终定论有帮助;当然也欢迎继续质疑,然后我继续去郁闷老师~


作者: evonneangela    时间: 2005-10-25 19:32
以下是引用无尾小恶魔在2005-10-16 12:39:00的发言:

这道题请教了教GMAT的老师,她说选E比较好,black americans 和 a black american 是ETS用来欺骗大家的,其实连个都正确,做这道题的时候不要看这个地方,重点在破折号之后,主语是一本小说,按照逻辑,后面提到的也应该是小说,所以A,C就不对了。B不好的理由在于它引起歧义,including可以理解为Cane这本书包含了另外两本书,而且E是非常完美的对称。


个人解释,希望能对最终定论有帮助;当然也欢迎继续质疑,然后我继续去郁闷老师~



up.选e.
作者: hannah1209    时间: 2005-10-26 16:25

在google上搜到了这么几条:


1、Axon One of the three parts of the NEURON, the others being the DENDRITES and SOMA.


2、Economic capital is one of the factors of production, the others being labor, land (natural resources), and entrepreneurship.


3、Although the Federal Emergency Management Agency in 2001 listed a hurricane striking New Orleans as one of the top three catastrophic events the nation could face (the others being a terrorist attack on New York City and an earthquake in San Francisco), funding for corps projects aimed at curbing flooding in southeast Louisiana lagged.(看到这里暴寒,我这会就在LA,离旧金山不远哈)


网上的东东良莠不齐,不过就这点看来,being不是大问题,鬼子们习惯用,如果a black woman不影响表达的话,E比B要合适。


作者: z520m    时间: 2005-10-30 19:34
如果 a black American能表示一个美国黑人群体,那么E应该是对的,如果不能,a black American只能解释一个美国黑人,那么B正确。请nn指点a black American到底能不能表达所有的美国黑人??
作者: haizhongjin    时间: 2005-11-14 20:35

选E吧


作者: 香香茶    时间: 2005-11-15 22:52

I chose B for the first time, but I vote for E after i spent half an hour reading the discussion.


E is better.


作者: lurker    时间: 2005-12-9 11:36
以下是引用呆板彻底在2004-10-7 12:01:00的发言:

看来这道题的答案是e。真的,看看搜来得句子吧。惊人的相似。。


JEAN TOOMER, 1894-1967, wrote "Cane", which was published in 1923, and has been called one of the three best novels ever written by an African American. The other two are Richard Wright's "Native Son", and Ralph Ellison's "Invisible Man".



我觉得ETS是有脑子的,他出的题目可能是有原文出处,但他仍然可能会改变(用于增加自己的考点),不一定长的与出处最像的就是正确答案。所以,以上论据无法证明观点。很简单的一点反例:如果by an African American说的通的话,那出处说用的are Richard Wright's "Native Son",而不是E中the others being Richard Wright’s Native Son这种ETS反复强调的awkward的用法,又如何解释呢?




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