Q8:
The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long and is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.
答案A,D为什么不行?我开始很难在grow to be和grow as big as中做出选择,最后还是选错了,所以不明白grow as big as错在哪里?
查到一个句型,参考一下:The number of students at the college has grown from 200 to over 500.(grow from ...to)
这里是不是把from省略了
啊,这下想通了,谢谢wildwind gg!
No,grow can function as a link verb, that is, a copula. So it's absolutely reasonable for an adjective to follow grow.
There must be some other faults in D, or, in B. Who can help?
GWD的题,有一点挺有趣的,大家看,ABCDE前一段都一样的,为什么要放在一起呢?
另外,tianwan,发现没有,a和d的区别只有to be 和as big as,那么这两个要是都不能排除的话,
难道是这道题有问题?
晕,30feet是用来形容长度的,不能修饰big.所以a对,d错。
晕,蛮以为想通了,回来一看问题更多了~
大家都以为后面有长度前面就不能用big了吗?可是原句意思就是要表达那条鲸的大小啊。
tianwan,这个例子找得~~~~~~~
本以为青鸟是对的
请总教头去了。
as adj as 应是同级比较吧!!
后面接30 feet long 不知道跟谁比.....
用了(A) can grow to be 有表示"可以长到.....", 感觉比较好.....
No,grow can function as a link verb, that is, a copula. So it's absolutely reasonable for an adjective to follow grow.
There must be some other faults in D, or, in B. Who can help?
grow在这里不是系动词,因为有can,系动词加在情态动词后就不是系动词了。
所以用to be, 不用as ... as的形容词结构。
grow在这里不是系动词,因为有can,系动词加在情态动词后就不是系动词了。
系动词加在情态动词后就不是系动词了?
系动词加在情态动词后就不是系动词了?
我没有什么权威语法书在手边,不能确认。不过的确记得上学的时候是这么教的。哪位NN好心也可以确认一下。
我自己对系动词的理解是这样的, grow本身是一个实义动词, 其含义是“生长”,“发育”。实义动词自然不能用在系表结构。但是,grow又可以表达一个变化的趋势,用作虚动词,就可以用在系表结构里了。
偶觉得grow在这里是不及物动词:to become bigger, taller etc over a period of time in the process of becoming an adult。怎么可以直接加宾语?
grow + adj. 的时候意思是:to change and become different quite slowly ,在这里逻辑不对。
偶觉得as big as不对,这里没有比较得意味。
望牛牛指教。
偶觉得grow在这里是不及物动词:to become bigger, taller etc over a period of time in the process of becoming an adult。怎么可以直接加宾语?
grow + adj. 的时候意思是:to change and become different quite slowly ,在这里逻辑不对。
偶认为是A,.
D是典型错误, 很象CHINGLISH. 长多少大 是形容具体的长度,不能用 AS BIG AS 可以跟长度,但是不能跟long. 所以偶选A.
原句中没有big这样的实意词,不可以随便添加的。会造成强调意思的不同。
原句中没有big这样的实意词,不可以随便添加的。会造成强调意思的不同。
完全同意, perpetual MM真细心呀
If D is altered as that:....., which can grow as long as 30 feet and is, it will be a correct key.
D: grow 的用法错误.
grow 可做及物动词Vt. 和不及物动词Vi.
vi + to
vt + 宾语
I feel only gloryy's explanation is right.
"grow as big as" has no fault in itself when used in other sentences.
it's quite idiomatic.
thanks, gloryy
No. I don't think that a verb cannot play a link verb role when there is a modal verb. "It can be true that...."
The flaw of D is that this option has compare BIG with LONG: which can grow as big as 30 feet long...
The corrections could be:
which can grow as big as 30 feet
or which can grow 30 feet long
应该是 D.
A) include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long and is 就是说所有whale都长这么长, 没有最长长到30 feet long 之意了.
而 D as big as 30 feet long 就完全表达了最长可达 30 feet, 偶觉得as big as 是完全可以的, 不需要用 as long as 30 feet long, 这样很别扭的. 请指教...
The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long and is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.
有点迷糊,E选项AND IT IS为什么不对,还有AND IS 并列which can么? 有点晕的说!!
请大家指教!!!谢谢!!
I choose D.
A: "grow to be 30 feet long" awkward.
E: "it" is redundant.
D: "as big as ..." phrase modifies grow, grammatically correct.
支持选C。
虽然D的as big as 30 feet long. 没问题,见例句:Those trees can be as big as 20 feet across. (Longman 88版)。
但grow 30 feet 和grow to be 30 feet,意思不一样。长了30英尺和长到30英尺。
支持 Msfox, 但我想你把A误C了
谢谢!完全支持!
我也有同感,请NN指点啊!
谢谢先
如果是grow from to, from 后面能加be吗?from是介词啊,了不起grow from 10 feet to 30 feet. as big as 显然也没错嘛,形容长度如果用as long as不是有歧异吗?(‘as long as you love me’)bon说得很有道理。我做这题的时候就在想:干嘛把前面一样的也划线?不是最痛恨redundancy吗?所以我的结论是,问题不在于as big as和grow to be哪个对(当然我是比较prefer the former),应该还有一个考点,就是include和includes。
还有,说起省略,不知道各位侠士是否记得og里的一个题:D.as many as the enrollment E.as many as were enrolled,解释说E把people省略了。我当场跳了个smooth criminal发泄,想省就省啊?这里如果A省了from,那就连from [起点] 一起省了, 我再跳……
Longman:Found all the way from the Red Sea to Samoa, this species grows to about 10 inches.
grow to ... 的to都是prep.,没有见过grow to be ...
这题我也做错了,也是在a和D之间混淆了。后来本人经过反复研读认为D错在grow+ as adj as 后面应该是个名词,一个人或者可以用来参照体积的物体,而不应是个数量单位。
各位都在讨论AD。我想问答案C中是错在哪里?是UP TO ...用错了还是GROWING...BEING...用错了。
第一次作题,郁闷哪。。。。。
我也和楼上有类似的疑问
我的思路是:GMAT中逻辑优先 而此句中不是比较的意思而是说京能长到多大 所以AS..AS..不对 排除BD 而BEING在逻辑上属多余 也不对 排除C剩AE 而AE 差别在于IT AND连接的要平行 所以E排除 所以A
不知道我的思路对吗 请大家指正
很多人說是A,我提個不同的意見,請大家參考:
這題的中文意思,應該是說,這種殺人鯨可以長大到30呎,而解題的關鍵就在grow的用法。我查了Longman之後發現
1.grow當發育、長大解的時候,它常當不及物動詞,例my fingernails are not growing.如果要說長了多少,則是直接加在grow後:he has grown 6 inches (taller).
2. grow如果後面要接不定式,其意為「逐漸變成」:In time you will grow to like him.(你會逐漸喜歡他)
回來看這題:
A: ...which can grow to be 30 feet...不定式,表示逐漸變成,而不是發育、成長
D: ...which can grow as big as 30 feet long...表示成長、發育為30呎(as big as起了表示可發育到多大的作用)
所以,這題我開始傾向支持D........
can grow to be 表示达到的状态,可以理解为最长可以到30米
as...as 结构意思反而不明确,可以理解为30米长,但是也许30米长,也许成年的可以到50米长
can grow to be 表示达到的状态,可以理解为最长可以到30米
問題就在grow可不可以這樣來使用。grow當生物「成長」之意來用時,常是不及物動詞,如果要表達長大多少,就直接加在grow後面。grow to當長到多大解釋,則接名詞。且看CR 134: ....has grown to the right size.....
請再討論!
google上搜索的:
Killer whales grow to 30 feet long with a six foot dorsal fin for males, and 25 feet long with a three foot curved dorsal fin for females.
Killer whales grow to be 27-33 feet long and weigh 8000-12000 pounds.
好像grow to be和grow to都有啊!
摘录一篇文章不一定是本题的原文,仅供参考!
http://www.digitaltermpapers.com/a2201.htm
There are 32 known species of dolphins. The bottle-nosed dolphin is
often the species used in aquatic shows. The common dolphin inspired many
Mediterranean folk lores. Both of the dolphins above appear in open waters,
usually around cruise ships. They like to show off around the boat.
There are also freshwater dolphins that live in rivers of Asia and South
America. The Buffeo dolphin has been spotted up to 1250 miles up he Amazon River.
The buffeo is the smallest of all dolphins averaging about 4 feet. The
bottlenose is closer to 10 feet. The killer whale, which is also considered a
dolphin, can grow to be 30 feet long. The pilot whale is also considered a
dolphin.
各位都在讨论AD。我想问答案C中是错在哪里?是UP TO ...用错了还是GROWING...BEING...用错了。
第一次作题,郁闷哪。。。。。
同樣疑惑
, growing不是可以只代前面名詞嗎???記得og中有說過
還是,which指代更為明確呢???
所以優先選which???
不懂中
我也选的D,不过现在觉得是A了,主要是前面有人说了, grow as big as 30 feet long, big 和 long重复了。
我也认为主要是big 和long 重复的问题。从语法的角度来将grow to be 和grow to 都可以讲通,前者表示“长成为……”强调状态,后者表示“长到……”强调结果,都可以接受,但是要拿big 和 long 两个概念作比较……有点说不过去了。我们说一根竹竿能长到13米长,这竹竿就是“大”了么?没有必然的逻辑联系啊。所以应该是选择A没有错误的。
感觉这个题目本身的考点可能没有体现出来,ETS应该会通过include和includes先排除一个到两个答案,然后再考别的考点……
看了这么多的讨论,我头都大了。
我说一点点:GROW,有两种词性。
一是及物动词:主要含义是:使生长;培养;使(东西)依自然进程而发展或增加:
二是不及物动词:生长,成长:自然进程中体积的增加
由此可见,作及物动词主要是指“培养”,而不及物动词主要指“生长”。所以,在本句中,明显是不及物动词“生长”。由此排除grow是系动词的可能性。因此,grow as big as..中,不能用big这个形容词来修饰grow,所以D错。
还是不明白为什么可以用grow to be
如果遇到两个选项,一个是grow to 30 feet long一个是grow to be 30 feet long怎么选呢?
粗浅认为 as big as 30 feet long 罗嗦 如D改为 can grow as long as 30 feet and is 可能更正确吧 供参考
我觉得D没有错啊,如果真的说有什么不对的话,也就是前面一个MM说的多了big这样的实义动词有点不妥
终于理解了。
大家不觉得D include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow as big as 30 feet long and is这两个词是意思重复的,很啰嗦
看的累死了。觉得grow as big as 30 feet long不合逻辑而且罗嗦.A更简洁.grow to be 和grow to 都对.
同累,
也错在D上了,刚开始作GWD,语法不会都这个样子把?
顶一个
个人认为选A,as....as 在ETS看来只用在有比较的时候,大家可以看一下刘振明的书。
另外as long as=if
The 32 species that make up the dolphin family are closely related to whales and in fact include the animal known as the killer whale, which can grow to be 30 feet long and is famous for its aggressive hunting pods.
D中的which 从句换成一个比较的句子为:the killer whale can grow as big as 30 feet long. 按照GMAT 的比较, 是否我们可以得出比较的对象为:the killer whale// 30 feet long 呢? 从逻辑上不对!
从句子的重心强调上:which can grow to be 30 feet long 强调的为to be 30 feet为一种状态, 和后面的is famous for its aggressive hunting pods 在功能上对称.
而which can grow as big as 30 feet long 强调的为grow的动作, 和后面的状态也不对称.
不知道理解的对否! 欢迎讨论!
A: the killer whale can grow to be 30 feet long : 有将来的意思. = the killer whale will be 30 feet long in the future.
D: 没比较的必要
Thus, A is the best.
用OG的话讲,grow as big as 30 feet long,needlessly and awkwardly wordy.
1) grow to be 能确切的表达意思
2)grow 30 feet或者grow to 30 feet long都能确切表达意思
其实,选项对与否关键看是否能确切表达意思。
从语法的角度上讲,既可以说big作为形容词无法表达grow的一个量化概念,最多只是程度(v. + adj.)。
我想想,模考时之所以会选D,是因为被OG中大量的正确答案为as ... as所误导。其实,OG考察的是比较的用法,而没有考察过as ... as作为形容词或副词的正确性。所以本题既然并不考察比较,则主要以意思的确切表达为主。
这题偶又错了,当时认为grow to 30 feet 就好,be 多余 - 其实语法上也没有错。(D)的big/long有些awkward,不过我认为最主要的还是缺了to (“生长"不及物用法,否则就不是“长到“,而是“长了”)。
http://www.fishingnj.org/artdolphagress.htm
Closely related to whales, the 32 species that make up the dolphin family (Delphinidae in scientific nomenclature) include killer whales, which grow up to 30 feet long and are famous for their aggressive hunting pods.
上文不见得是原出处,更像“美式“的抄袭
Peace
完全赞同,我觉得A和D都有其不妥的地方,A的grow to be没有道理,而D的as big as 30 feet long也是有奌啰嗦,但我觉得都不至于致命. 如果有一个用的是includes, 就不用死这么多脑细胞了。最理想的答案无疑是grow as long as 30 feet,所以我打算放弃追究A和D之间谁对谁错……
what being? u mean doing? a "doing" clause as a modifier is so common
I admit that the following complies with common grammar rules:
They are not as big as the marsh frog which can grow
as
big
as five inches long.
But remember GMAT has its own rules.
I support that the correct answer is A. When "big" and "long" are put together, GMAT thinks it is too wordy.
B, C 中 看到growing就觉得错了,因为这个分词的逻辑主语不知道是谁(是应该这么说吧, 偶的语法不好),其他因素也不需要考虑了.
至于A, D,前面大家讨论太多了, 我也没什么新的东西要说了.我也支持A选项.
...grow as big as...
... should be parallel
grow as long as 6 inches
or
grow to be 6 inches long
(We shouldn't use "big" to describe the length.)
这么理解对不对,
请指教
As…as 前后对象要有可比性,whale和30 feet long不具备可比性
这个帖子也要 grow to be 30 feet long 了。。。
精神可嘉!
a是可以长到30 feet, d是只能长到30feet。。。不符合逻辑,也可以长到1feet,2feet阿。
A中的 to be 30 feet 就是最大长到30 feet
D 是一个静态的,只能长到30feet 从语法角度, grow as big as...没错
grow as long as 6 inches
or
grow to be 6 inches long
(We shouldn't use "big" to describe the length.)
我也怀疑D 是这个问题:
grow as big as 30 feet
or
grow 30 feet long
or
grow as long as 30 feet
如果long 和 big都存在的话,会不会使30 feet修饰含糊呢?不知道这个30 feet是修饰big呢还是long呢?
?
终于知道了,as big as 30 feet long多别扭啊
应该是as long as 30 feet!
所以A对!
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