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作者: tianle312    时间: 2008-3-27 10:54
标题: GWD-29-Q24

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is good for cardiac health.

A.    wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat they think is

B.    wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be

C.    wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

D.    total fat of wild animals is less than livestock fed on grain and they have more fat of a kind thought to be

E.    total fat is less in wild animals than that of livestock fed on grain and more of their fat is of a kind they think is

 

这题答案是B,也有同学认为是C

B livestock缺少do,  C wild animals have ..和that of livestock不对称

是否早在这种情况下,首先应该排除不对称的选项?


作者: 五月十三    时间: 2008-3-27 14:47

B  应该是省略吧。



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作者: Jenny916    时间: 2008-3-27 22:07

我觉得是选C呢,请NN帮忙看看


作者: jarlin    时间: 2008-3-27 22:34

一个是that of ...不对称

还有一个是简洁原则吧....第2个have可以被省略了


作者: 足球幽灵    时间: 2008-3-28 10:21

赞同选B,自己的想法:C有一个问题是That的指代,要么指代前面的fat,要么没有指代。无指代的情况肯定错。如果指代fat,那么句子的意思变成:
  
wild animals 体内含的总fat比其体内的某一种fat(fat of livestock fed on grain )要少,illogical。所以C错。

open to discuss.....


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作者: leogm    时间: 2008-6-6 17:38

同问,C中对比不一致的错误太明显了。虽然我这里的答案是C

B的问题也很明显1、缺少do,会有歧义,2、后半部分不能省略have,否则会造成wild animal和livestock、more of a kind of fat一起比较之嫌。可以说整个句子充满歧义。

这种情况下选最优答案,依据什么准则呢?


作者: ad264    时间: 2008-6-6 20:26
这一题应该是B,因为我之前找过国外的网站。

800Bob的解释(此人哈佛毕业,教gmat20多年了)
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/47379-wild-animals-pls-provide-explanations-3.html 
另一个网站解释( 有专门辅导员回答问题)

        http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/according-to-recent-studies-comparing-the-nutritional-value-t718.html


作者: leogm    时间: 2008-6-6 23:33

楼上的mm太强了,总能引经据典。

看了解释,坚定了选B,就算B有可能造成歧义,但C是比较错误,问题更大。在歧义与错误间选最优,还是歧义好点。


作者: 愁予    时间: 2008-6-8 16:39

og10-19

19.
                    
In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

(A) the protein in rice is higher quality than that in

(B) rice has protein of higher quality than that in

(C) the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in

(D) rice protein is higher in quality than it is in

(E) rice has a protein higher in quality than

请教如果lz说的那道题明显比较不对等的话,那么这题的B是否有比较不对等的嫌疑呢


作者: arguu    时间: 2008-6-16 23:45
以下是引用愁予在2008-6-8 16:39:00的发言:

og10-19

19.
     
In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.

(A) the protein in rice is higher quality than that in

(B) rice has protein of higher quality than that in

(C) the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in

(D) rice protein is higher in quality than it is in

(E) rice has a protein higher in quality than

请教如果lz说的那道题明显比较不对等的话,那么这题的B是否有比较不对等的嫌疑呢

这个没有不对等啊, the protein in rice is higher quality than the protein in wheat, 很合理阿, 如果改成 rice has higher quality protein than that of wheat 才是和这题C的错误类似吧


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作者: kevintown    时间: 2008-8-7 11:27

同意
                B the best 
是主语部分在比较。在这里do不一定需要补出的『本题是可以省略的,因为total fat是不可数的,与livestock不属于同一类型名次,不会造成have livestock的歧义,less不能修饰livestock』。

日常用语中
                A is better than B and worse than C
。肯定都是不需要重复谓语is

Prayer倾向选C,但我认为错误,根据下面2个原句可知

原句是

New York Times February 19, 2002

query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD9123FF93AA25751C0A9649C8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

 “Wild animals not only have less total fat than livestock fed on grain[CH1] , but[CH2] 
                
more of their fat is of a kind (omega-3) thought to be good for cardiac health, and less of a kind (omega-6) that promotes heart disease.”

 

because it has
                    fewer calories, less total fat and more of the kind of essential fatty acids that some research suggests are good.


 [CH1]AB里的比较结构,这是可行的

 [CH2]后面没有have,是因为but,题目中是and,就不能省略have

KT: 但是后文紧接着and less of a kind of B选项完全一致,说明and也是可以的


作者: connie4895    时间: 2008-11-9 21:52

觉得这题没有正确答案,二个选项都犯了严重错误,

(B)

1. 应补上助动词do, 不然会产生比较对象的岐义

2. more of a kind of fat 错误, a kind 不能修饰more, 什么叫一种的较多??

(C) 1. 逻辑比较对象错误,变成动物跟脂肪在比了


作者: wangyi217    时间: 2009-1-23 20:08
以下是引用ad264在2008-6-6 20:26:00的发言:
这一题应该是B,因为我之前找过国外的网站。

800Bob的解释(此人哈佛毕业,教gmat20多年了)
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/47379-wild-animals-pls-provide-explanations-3.html 
另一个网站解释( 有专门辅导员回答问题)

  http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/according-to-recent-studies-comparing-the-nutritional-value-t718.html

这个我看完了,确实解释的很好。

不过在庖丁解牛的帖子里好像这些比较成分在没有歧义的情况下随便换都可以的

wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain
 

为什么大家都认为这里是主语animals和than后面的成分做比较呢?这也是我对比较结构最薄弱的地方——推不出than前面的比较成分。而且总是认为less后面的词就是比较成分。

如果还有类似的题我肯定还会出错。这句话我会很容易翻译成:野生动物有比家畜脂肪含量更低的脂肪...

其实感觉也没什么错啊,相反看大家说比较错误我的脑子就转不动了...... 谁能告诉我我的翻译哪里有问题啊?

还有就是庖丁解牛里说的:宾语比较: A do C1 than C2 用在这不是正好合适吗?关于比较成分也请大家帮帮忙 


 

研究了好几个小时了,实在不能再耗下去了...拜托大家指点几句,谢谢!


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作者: ericwong8768    时间: 2009-4-26 19:48
800Bob again~~
作者: xiaoniuren    时间: 2009-5-18 15:16
DING
作者: newyork_999    时间: 2009-5-18 19:19

C.    wild animals have less total fat than that of livestock fed on grain and have more fat of a kind thought to be

最大的错误在于:that of livestock fed on grain 。假如that 指代fat,“由谷物饲养的脂肪”,逻辑错误,由谷物饲养的应该是livestock 而不是fat


作者: cuishang11    时间: 2009-7-5 14:13

800Bob的意思是说没有正确答案

The problem with this item is that there is no good answer choice. What is the source? I'm sure it's not a real GMAT question.

The sentence should be something like this:

According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and that of meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than do livestock fed on grain and more fat of a kind thought to be good for cardiac health.”


作者: scarlett8327    时间: 2009-7-19 16:04

我选了b,我觉得c里边比较的两样东西不对等啊。一个是wild animals,一个是that (total fat) of...

除非真的一个答案都不对


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作者: lunarwin    时间: 2009-7-27 19:20

这题答案是C吗


作者: rucky521    时间: 2009-7-29 17:35
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作者: cdinitialb    时间: 2009-7-29 20:09

这道题难道就是传说中的“没有最好,只有更好吗?”

我做这道题时控制不住自己的情绪that告诉我这道题出错了。因为到目前为止,还没有遇到过比较对象有歧义也能做正确答案的。

但我还是认为这道题应该选B

C中的that如果是指代total fat的话,那这句话的意思就是wild animals既有自己的fat又有livestock的fat,然后说自己体内的fat比自己体内的livestock's fat少,doesn't make sense for me.

B中的比较对象就算有歧义,但起码有对的可能。

唉,还是怀疑这道题是不是GWD在编辑的时候打错了。


作者: skigorush    时间: 2009-7-29 23:21

作者: dinssads    时间: 2009-7-29 23:59

选B,do的省略可以理解,C的that问题较大


作者: yy1988218    时间: 2009-7-30 19:26

顶!


作者: alibaba_2009    时间: 2009-8-2 17:07
ding
作者: lishihui2009    时间: 2009-8-3 01:29
qqqq
作者: wangchen0355    时间: 2009-8-3 17:19
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作者: xiaoniuren    时间: 2009-8-4 22:43
D
作者: zliycwn1    时间: 2009-8-25 17:23

虽然自己选了B 看到这里这么多人支持B

不过仔细一想还是觉得C比较好

B中主语比较不加谓语还是可以的,因为这里没有引起歧义,不加没有什么大问题

最主要的问题是and后面没有have,这个倒真会引起歧义了。

C的确很不爽,是这种和那种的比较,但我觉得这个可以读成 have fat less than that of livestock。。。

这个也是看了答案牵强解释了...

不过能学到B中引起歧义这点还是很值的~


作者: moonlolita    时间: 2009-11-21 16:27
我受不了了,这题到底选什么啊……快昏了……是不是只要是比较是个人都搞不清楚
作者: 笨西笨    时间: 2010-5-2 11:39
同意
               B the best  
是主语部分在比较。在这里do不一定需要补出的『本题是可以省略的,因为total fat是不可数的,与livestock不属于同一类型名次,不会造成have livestock的歧义,less不能修饰livestock』。

日常用语中
               A is better than B and worse than C
。肯定都是不需要重复谓语is

Prayer倾向选C,但我认为错误,根据下面2个原句可知

原句是

New York Times February 19, 2002

query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CEFD9123FF93AA25751C0A9649C8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

“Wild animals not only have less total fat than livestock fed on grain[CH1], but[CH2]
more of their fat is of a kind (omega-3) thought to be good for cardiac health, and less of a kind (omega-6) that promotes heart disease.”



because it has
fewer calories, less total fat and more of the kind of essential fatty acids that some research suggests are good.



[CH1]AB里的比较结构,这是可行的
[CH2]后面没有have,是因为but,题目中是and,就不能省略have
KT: 但是后文紧接着and less of a kind of B选项完全一致,说明and也是可以的
-- by 会员 kevintown (2008/8/7 11:27:00)



同意!
作者: elvis0214    时间: 2010-10-6 13:01
以下是引用愁予在2008-6-8 16:39:00的发言:
og10-19
19.
    In addition to having more protein than wheat does, the protein in rice is higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.









(A) the protein in rice is higher quality than that in









(B) rice has protein of higher quality than that in









(C) the protein in rice is higher in quality than it is in









(D) rice protein is higher in quality than it is in









(E) rice has a protein higher in quality than

请教如果lz说的那道题明显比较不对等的话,那么这题的B是否有比较不对等的嫌疑呢
这个没有不对等啊, the protein in rice is higher quality than the protein in wheat, 很合理阿, 如果改成 rice has higher quality protein than that of wheat 才是和这题C的错误类似吧

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-- by 会员 arguu (2008/6/16 23:45:00)



The answer is B -   rice has protein of higher quality than that in
证明GMAT同意这种用法。
故29-Q24的C应该是正确的。。。
作者: louis_huang    时间: 2010-10-26 07:22
LS,这里是主语比较即是wild animals 与livestock的比较,
你说的变成了fat的比较,变成了宾语比较,对象搞错了。犯了改变原句意思的严重错误。
你所引用的OG的那题中,是protein的比较,是宾语的比较。再仔细瞧瞧。



作者: lala974    时间: 2011-5-31 13:47
这一题应该是B,因为我之前找过国外的网站。

800Bob的解释(此人哈佛毕业,教gmat20多年了)
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/47379-wild-animals-pls-provide-explanations-3.html
另一个网站解释( 有专门辅导员回答问题)

http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/according-to-recent-studies-comparing-the-nutritional-value-t718.html
-- by 会员 ad264 (2008/6/6 20:26:00)



貌似bob大神说这题没正确选项
作者: zhima427    时间: 2012-7-31 18:45
manhattan forum上面的人真是牛逼哄哄啊~~~remember, we don't make the rules; they do.这句话胜过多少个解释啊,很明显选B 就会犯了一个语法点:
完整主谓宾结构对比的时候一定要加上do,只有主谓没有宾语的时候就不用加上DO
I EAT APPLE FASTER THAN YOU DO
I EAT FASTER THAN YOU
这两个例子我都看烂了,在这里还是没有apply到,你说我们该有多冤啊。。。。我们就认了吧,这道题没有答案,要是可以这样曲解或者搞特殊的话,B是最好的。。。鉴定完毕,看看下面的曼哈顿论坛的解释吧,可能有点作用
BTW,后面的more of a kind of fat的用法我也觉得无比奇怪,请问出自哪里啊??我是因为被GWD逼上绝路才选C的,起码两个比较都不正确的情况下,C是平行的,而且后半部分没有more of a kind of fat这种恶心的表达。。。要是真遇上这题,大家就认命吧,起码知道自己是冤的哈哈。。。

Pathik wrote:B. wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of
fat thought to be

Isn't B incorretly saying
wild animals have less fat than wild animals have livestock
I thought for proper comaprision we need verb in the second part of comparision something like - wild animals have less total fat than do livestock.

you've learned a lesson here: the gmat's preference for that 'do' is not absolute.

from a 100% strict semantic viewpoint, i agree with you here: there's technically an ambiguity. however, we now have evidence, in the form of this problem, that the gmat doesn't consider ALL of these 'ambiguities' as truly ambiguous. rather, provided that the 'second meaning' is sufficiently absurd AND nonparallel (note the obvious logical nonparallelism of compairing total fat to livestock), it's ok to eliminate the 'do'.

sigh.

remember, we don't make the rules; they do. but with each problem like this one that you study, you'll have a better idea of exactly what their rules are.
作者: muerbingsha    时间: 2017-4-11 20:21
ad264 发表于 2008-6-6 20:26
这一题应该是B,因为我之前找过国外的网站。800Bob的解释(此人哈佛毕业,教gmat20多年了)http://www.urch.c ...

同意!               




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