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作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-6-30 05:00
标题: gwd23-23彻底糊涂了but

看到了以前两个讨论但是没有问到这个but的问题：

GWD-23-Q23

After several years of rapid growth, the healthy care company became one of the largest health care providers in the metropolitan area, while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to doctors and hospitals.

while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

中but为什么前面要加逗号那？？？如果是一个主语，不应该是不用逗号吗？因为then的原因吗？哪个战友能来帮着解释一下？还有一个问题，doing得分词形式在句位，什么是欧会当时修饰前面名词的歧义？这里的falling months behind in paying没有修饰business的歧义吗？

多谢了！！！！！！！！这两个问题困扰了我有一段日子了。

作者: seastone 时间: 2007-6-30 05:20

以下是引用uvoice在2007-6-30 5:00:00的发言：

看到了以前两个讨论但是没有问到这个but的问题：

GWD-23-Q23

while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

中but为什么前面要加逗号那？？？如果是一个主语，不应该是不用逗号吗？因为then的原因吗？哪个战友能来帮着解释一下？还

省略了主语.

有一个问题，doing得分词形式在句位，什么是欧会当时修饰前面名词的歧义？这里的falling months behind in paying没有修饰business的歧义吗？

falling behind in paying 如果去掉逗号则修饰bussiness.

多谢了！！！！！！！！这两个问题困扰了我有一段日子了。

作者: stevegt 时间: 2007-6-30 14:01

hi: 个人愚见：

1。while做对比，应该是在同一个时间段的事情做比较。这道题明显有先后顺序，所以while做对比不是太好。A B out

2.paying在这个地方没多大歧义，只能做结果伴随状语。如果象你所说的要修饰business的话，要的也应该是个限定性修饰。逗号+ing一般只能表示非限定性。所以这里可以排除ing修饰business的嫌疑。

作者: dirtyfish 时间: 2007-6-30 17:01
根据我的经验，while在gmat里一律当作“尽管，虽然”讲，其他的考法没出现过，在阅读和逻辑里也是一样

作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-1 03:29

1 我不明白的就是一般gmat都倾向于如果主语一致且省略，那末用and/but就不用逗号，用了逗号，就是主语不一致，引导的另一个分句。就感觉怎么又得题这样，有的题那样。很困惑。

2 如果又逗号，doing也可以修饰前面的名词，像doing夹心的情况就是因为容易引起歧义，所以一般肯定是错误的。是不是在句末的，就要根据逻辑意思来判断? 我是糊涂了。

3 while，我觉得stevegt说得很有道理，我明白了。但是不同意上面fish的，while再gmat里面还是经常考到转折意思的。

作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-1 04:15

我又看了一下，有点明白but/and的区别了。用法不太一样。战友们帮我看看doing引导的分词结构在句尾的修饰问题就好了。

郎文上but then地用法是和前面说的事实相反，通常是口语化的。but then (again)

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作者: stevegt 时间: 2007-7-1 05:19

嗯嗯大概MM没有理解我的意思。

doing如果要做形容成分修饰名词的话也要分限定性和非限定性修饰。

一般来说，限定修饰就是一个名词紧跟着ing,没有逗号。这种情况，doing的意思是：

the increses are in falling business, not rising or normal business.

如果是非限定修饰的话，意思是：

the increases are in business, and the business happens to be falling right now.

非限定仅仅是提供一个additional的成分。

形容词也一样，譬如我说i wear a red tee，这个red就是限定的形容词，表示我穿的不是green tee, or whatever.

如果我说i wear a beautiful tee，这个beautiful在这个地方就是一个补充的成分，意思是我穿了一件tee，这件tee正好很beautiful

说了这么多，再回来看题。从逻辑上来讲的话，如果doing在这个地方是要修饰business的话，也是要一个限定的修饰：必须指的是一个falling的business。但是这个地方你要强硬地说falling是修饰business的话就不对了，因为这里有逗号，最多就是个非限定的修饰，那逻辑意思就不对了。

所以这个地方falling没有歧义，仅仅是个表示结果的伴随状语。

作者: seastone 时间: 2007-7-1 08:59

以下是引用stevegt在2007-6-30 14:01:00的发言：

hi: 个人愚见：

1。while做对比，应该是在同一个时间段的事情做比较。这道题明显有先后顺序，所以while做对比不是太好。A B out

while做对比，应该是在同一个时间段的事情做比较。这道题明显有先后顺序，所以while做对比不是太好。

太对了!

作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-2 02:43

以下是引用stevegt在2007-7-1 5:19:00的发言：

嗯嗯大概MM没有理解我的意思。

doing如果要做形容成分修饰名词的话也要分限定性和非限定性修饰。

一般来说，限定修饰就是一个名词紧跟着ing,没有逗号。这种情况，doing的意思是：

the increses are in falling business, not rising or normal business.

如果是非限定修饰的话，意思是：

the increases are in business, and the business happens to be falling right now.

非限定仅仅是提供一个additional的成分。

形容词也一样，譬如我说i wear a red tee，这个red就是限定的形容词，表示我穿的不是green tee, or whatever.

如果我说i wear a beautiful tee，这个beautiful在这个地方就是一个补充的成分，意思是我穿了一件tee，这件tee正好很beautiful

所以这个地方falling没有歧义，仅仅是个表示结果的伴随状语。

明白了~~~~我再找出这些例子来研究研究~~~~多谢多谢！！！！！！！

作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-3 02:36

205. The peaks of a mountain range, acting like rocks in a streambed, produce ripples in the air flowing over them; the resulting flow pattern, with crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are known as "standing waves."
(A) crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are
(B) crests and troughs that remain stationary although they are formed by rapidly moving air, are
(C) crests and troughs that remain stationary although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, is
(D) stationary crests and troughs although the air that forms them is moving rapidly, are
(E) stationary crests and troughs although they are formed by rapidly moving air, is

今天又看了og这道题。没有划线的部分，acting like rocks in a streambed不算是那种夹心的错误吗？虽然我知道他是修饰前面的peaks，可是语法上说是不是也有修饰produce的嫌疑？还是说做伴随状语/结果状语只能放在动词后面？如果在前面就不存在这样的歧义了？

多谢~~~

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作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-3 02:44

（1） GWD-1-Q29:

Faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places have been cited by a new study of the 2000 United States presidential election, which estimated that they did not count 4 million to 6 million of the 100 million votes cast.

Faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places have been cited by a new study of the 2000 United States presidential election, which estimated that they did not count 4 million to 6 million of the 100 million votes cast.
Citing faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places, a new study of the 2000 United States presidential election has estimated that 4 million to 6 million of the 100 million votes cast were not counted.
Citing faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places, 4 million to 6 million of the 100 million votes cast were not counted in the 2000 United States presidential election, a new study estimates.
A new study has cited faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places in estimating that 4 million to 6 million of the 100 million votes that were cast had not been counted in the 2000 United States presidential election.
A new study of the 2000 United States presidential election, citing faulty voting equipment, confusing ballots, voter error, and problems at polling places, has estimated 4 million to 6 million votes had not been counted of the 100 million votes cast.

接着我上面的问题，这个题里面e选项的错误就是citing引导的分词结构是夹心，有修饰前面的名词和后面的谓语的歧义，彻底迷糊了，那位战友能继续指点一下。

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作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-3 03:59

A study by the Ocean Wildlife Campaign urged states to undertake a number of remedies to reverse a decline in the shark population, which includes the establishment of size limits for shark catches, closing state waters for shark fishing during pupping season, and requiring commercial fishers to have federal shark permits.

A. which includes the establishment of size limits for shark catches, closing

B. which includes establishing limits to the size of sharks that can be caught, closing

C. which include the establishment of size limits for shark catches, the closing of

D. including establishing size limits for shark catches, closing

E. including the establishing of limits to the size of sharks that are caught, the closing of

问题比较多，这个我就像和上面指导我的战友确认一下，这里的including就是修饰remedies乐，对吧？

作者: uvoice 时间: 2007-7-3 14:23
大家能帮着看看11楼的夹心问题吗？我看到gwd好几个这样的问题？还是说那样的结构就是默认可以的？

作者: colorful_na 时间: 2007-7-12 09:14
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作者: colorful_na 时间: 2007-7-12 09:29

kan

作者: gylucia 时间: 2007-7-31 21:34
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作者: sch 时间: 2008-2-22 03:31

以下是引用uvoice在2007-6-30 5:00:00的发言：

看到了以前两个讨论但是没有问到这个but的问题：

GWD-23-Q23

while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its payment to
while it then proved unable to handle the increase in business and fell months behind in its payment to
but then it proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in its paying
but then proving unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying
but then proved unable to handle the increase in business, falling months behind in paying

多谢了！！！！！！！！这两个问题困扰了我有一段日子了。

but后面没有主语,那就是认为省略前句主语.一班情况下不用加逗号,但是这不是绝对的.要看情况而定.具体规则建议看一下那个著名的ETS回信.YET的用法,

这里我觉得but前要加逗号的目的,其实就是为了格开句尾分词falling behind in paying,让它只能修饰but以后的部分. 如果but前没有逗号,整个句子从开头,到 falling之前都是一个整体,这个falling分词结构修饰整个整体句子所表达的情况,明显不对. falling只是用来修饰后半句,即but以后的内容.

"名词,ing 分词"这种情况多数是分词结构修饰前面一个句子, 只有在特定的语境下,分词才修饰前面的名词. 如果名词后面没有逗号,直接加分词,分词是修饰这个名词的.

这里从句子意思看,but表转折,用的比较好啊. while表转折的时候,一般while从句在句首.

in one's doing 一般是错的.因为多数情况下,one's
就是句子主语(比如这题,paying的主语是company,its也是指代company,所以没有必要重复用in its paying).--------------------但是如果 doing的动作发出者不是句子的主语,这时候要注意了.

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作者: eileenmu木 时间: 2008-3-23 08:32

赞同楼上的，thx

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很详细很经典

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作者: jonathan1987 时间: 2008-12-6 23:51

lz的问题跟我的一样啊.....

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同问

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很详细！Thx

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