谈谈个人认识的villanova，附wall street oasis论坛TNA大神对villanova的评价

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这两天看到有童鞋曝villanova的录取贴，看到讨论大多把nova当作一个local级别但很有特色的项目。可能是因为usnews上只是个regional级别的排名吧，实际上更多原因是因为nova的专业太少，科研太弱，才导致usnews上基本无名，但这个也代表不了他们msf的实力吧。。。。其实很多学校，像CUNY baruch，bentley，olin工程学院（非wustl的那个商学院），还有一些名气不大的文理学院，像威廉姆斯 cmc，甚至连文理学院都没排名的agens scott college（美国南方的女子学院）都在某些个别项目上非常出色。nova的msf在我看来也属于这一类。

我说的关键就是nova在圈子里的地位。很多msfer最头疼的一件事就是投资行业圈的education bg门槛很高，美国综排四五十名，在国内申请战中一经一片血海的项目，结果在几个大的employer中连semi target的资格都没有。个人看来，rochester simon和uta mccombs算是最后的semi target，也许还有uiuc和tulane（这只是说msf，undergraduate的话再往后甚至也有可能）。wso的msf大神TNA也描述了msf的尴尬：As for the "lower tier" programs, people don't use them to break into banking. You use them as a locate masters in substitution of an MBA. Most of these lower ranked programs are part time, night time or flexible for working professionals.后面两句话算是找存在感，最关键的 cannot break into banking。（TNA不清楚背景，但大多数发言还靠谱，还做了很多msf的视频，可以搜索MSFHQ，属于绝对nova蜜，nova的帖子他是必回必蜜的，所以不好说客观性，大家自己判断吧）
以下是wso上比较认可的一个分档


Tier 1 MIT
Tier 1A Claremont McKenna, Vanderbilt, WUSTL, Virginia
Tier 1B Boston College, Florida, Texas, Tulane, Villanova
Tier 2 Baruch, Boston University, George Washington, Houston, Illinois, Maryland, Ohio State, Purdue, Syracuse, University of Rochester
在此列表里，nova和rochester估计让很多人吃惊。。。我之前说过nova比ur高一档也不仅仅是因为这没有elaboration的表。在这个帖子里面 http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/villanova
三条发言反映nova的job reputation：
Villanova is an UG semi target. MM IBD comes on campus, smaller PE, all the F500 firms and their rotational programs, Big 4, etc. Depending on what you get involved in during your UG stint will increase your shot at BB firms. Equity society, fixed income society, SMF are all the top groups to be in. I personally know a ton of kids in all of these groups and many have BB FO positions now.
The school is in a very rich area and pretty much a place for well off students IMO. Lots of solid family connections, tons of alumni on the street, etc. Has the feel of a huge private high school.
The MBA is fine if you work and live in the area. It represents well in Philadelphia. It is a working professionals type program.





I can testify to ANTs comment. Villanova is definitely a semi-target. A lot more BBbanks recruit here than people care to realize. I know for a fact that GS, MS ,JPM, and BoAML come to recruit for some FO positions as a lot of my friends how graduated last semester got FT offers from them. The big 4 recruit heavily especially Deloitte for consulting(I think 2 OCR events last school year).
Definitely an "upper class" feel to the students but accompanying that are the innumerable opportunities to network win students whose parents or relatives are big time players on the Street and/or run PE and HF
Agree with above posters. I'll add something else:
I think it also depends on what you're looking to get into. The accountants I know from Nova got into accounting with ease (similar to BC/Notre Dame, Nova is known to have great connections with the Big 4), finance with relatively more difficulty (definitely a number of FO positions, more MO/BO positions), but the placement into consulting is weak.
None of the people I know who went to Nova could get into a top tier consulting firm. To KingJuice's statement, the ones who go to Deloitte are typically not in BA's in the S&O department -- they do ERP/BTA etc...at least the few that I know of.


这样的reputation估计是UR也不敢轻瞧。个人觉得nova比ur高一点的还有个人心态问题啦（UR校友勿喷，我也很爱UR），在WSO的选校比较贴里面，NOVA都是跟wustl vandy uva这种学校比。。。。久而久之就不自觉的导入了这个概念


以下是TNA对NOVA的最全评价（此举暴露TNA应该是NOVA校友）转自wso
Ok, sorry, long day.
1) Trader/HF/IM
- Being a trader is a possibility. Historically, we have few traders. I think of the 100 alumni, maybe 6 or so are in trading. A lot of the UG's I know are going into BBtrading so we def have the alumni and recruiting power to get you there, I just think banking tends to be the focus.
The professor who teaches fixed income used to trade at Goldman. We just had a team of MSF students go to Toronto for the Rotman trading comp. I was on the CME Commodities Trading comp team last year. We have a ton of alumni in trading on the street. Long story short, if you want to be a trader and you come in with that mindset, you can do it. We have the tools, rest is up to you.
As far as OCR for trading, it is more focused on the UG level, but MS and JPM (off the top of my head) take SA's and UG for S&T programs. I have UG Nova friends at JPM, DB, BarCap, MS, etc. All S&T roles. Oh, UBS also, forgot.
As for HF, that is a long shot. A lot of us going right into PE shops, but banking and F500 tend to be the main exit point. HF down the road maybe, but I don't think you will find too many MSF programs putting people into HF's.
2) Trips
- We go to NYC towards the end of the summer break. My class had another trip in Philly for some local banks. Nothing in Chicago. We're sending people to Toronto though for this trading comp. Every year we go to a finance conference as a group. I went to RISE X in Dayton last year. Going to GAME in Quinnipiac University this year.
You are an hour from NYC, 1.5 from DC, 10 minutes from city center Philly. Like 4-5 hours from Boston. Basically within 5 hours from most major cities on the eastern seaboard. You can get to Pittsburgh and Ohio within a days drive. Not bad coverage. It costs about 10 bucks on the bolt bus also.
I live in Philly and go to NYC maybe 3 times a month. Sometimes more.
Philadelphia is also a pretty decent finance hub. I would say on par with Boston, not equal in every area, but good enough. Harris Williams, Stifel, Janney, PNC, RBS Citizens, etc. Tons of boutique shops. JPM and BoA-ML have S&T here. Goldman has a nice office here (mostly GWM or AM). Citi has public finance and S&T here.
The big thing is internships. Tons of firms to intern in. You hop on the train and bam, your in a major city and interning. I interned at 3 places when I was going to school and it helped immensely.
3) Recruiting
- OCR is decent. The UG's have it best though. You get mainly MM IBD, lot of MO andBO, tons of F500 rotational programs and some boutique PE. Real estate is big at Nova so if you are interested in that there are plenty of places to get your foot in the door. One of the MSF professors is the head of the RE foundation.
Nova is a 20th ranked UG business school. I know that ranking gets shit on, but it is pretty good to have it all the same. It was 10th when I went there, but took a big hit with Bear and Lehman going under.
4) Living
- Ok, you can live in Philly if you want. Some people do that. I am splitting a place now for 600 a month plus utilities. Nice digs, good area. You're going to have to spend 130 a month on a 3 zone train pass to get you to Nova. Nice thing is it is good all over so you can take the subway and regional rail as much as you want. It takes about 20 minutes to go from center city to Nova so it is doable.
- I am moving to a sick loft in the city. Dead center. Little over 1300 a month. Place is nice though. If you want to live alone you can, but budget for it.
- You can also live near Nova, called the main line. Lots of places. My friend paid 700 bucks for a one bedroom. Walking distance to Nova.
4) Fellowship
- You are assigned to an MSF professor to help them with research. It is a pretty prestigious position. I was an MBA fellow and did some research with an MSF professor. Pretty cool. Definitely something to put on your resume and talk about. It's an honor and congrats if you can get it.
5) Social Scene.
- Nova is full of hot tail dude. The UG's are your main focus since MSF classes tend to be mostly men. It is a sorority and frat dominated campus, but if you are cool you can make friends. I know a shit ton of undergrads and really respect them. Nova kids know their shit so make sure you know yours.
Long story short, hot girls and some cool college bars. Philly has some nice bars also. Depends what you are looking for and how you are.
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Here is my little take on things.
The Villanova MSF is really gaining momentum. The whole school is going to revamp their website and it will happen in the near future. That will really make the MSF site more visually appealing. Placements are solid and improving. We have new staff in the grad office which is breathing fresh air into things. Alumni are enthusiastic and loyal.
And of course you have me, whom you will meet if you attend. I am always on campus for one thing or another. I send out jobs, put people in connection with alumni or my network and drink with you guys. I just sent out a pretty decent MO position with RBCthat I got sent to me from my Syracuse connections. Not FO, but it was an immediate hire. I am always trying to help get the message out, link up with recruiters, advance the MSF cause.
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再次声明只是个人对NOVA的看法，没有炒火的意思，说实话，cd近四年，只有2012fall的申请季，nova算是逆袭了一次，地位比较高。。。剩下的基本当野鸡处理了，所以我就随手写点外加投点，给大家更多的信息来判断一下，最后附一下nova的视频和2011 job placement的链接。大家新春愉快！我也算新春第一帖了
the link to his website's overview of the Villanova MSF:
http://msfhq.com/villanova/
and 2011 placements: http://msfhq.com/villanova-master-in-finance-2012-placements/

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RaFiT

ANT is a Villanova alum. And he is in PE right now.

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I have seen comparison between Nova vs Vandy, WUSTL, BC etc. However, there are some fierce debates on WSO regarding the comparison. What do you think of those negative comments?

BTW, I talked to several professors about Nova. Nova is a decent school. One of them feels that Vandy and WUSTL are better, reputation-wise. One thinks they are about the same level. The one who grew up in Penn State especially encouraged me to go there, because Nova put more emphasis on the teaching and students, instead of collecting money from students as some state universities do. Yes they are not comparable to some other universities in terms of research. But, hey, you want that, right? You want your professors to focus on you instead of his own papers. I think you can also see the nova's reputation in Penn State, based on this professors comment. Again, it's a good school. I never say it's U Penn.

汪汪汪汪汪

ANT is a Villanova alum. And he is in PE right now.

-- by 会员 RaFiT (2013/2/11 7:42:44)

Hey! I've been looking for you for a while!
How is the placement of Chinese students at nova now?

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I have seen comparison between Nova vs Vandy, WUSTL, BC etc. However, there are some fierce debates on WSO regarding the comparison. What do you think of those negative comments?

BTW, I talked to several professors about Nova. Nova is a decent school. One of them feels that Vandy and WUSTL are better, reputation-wise. One thinks they are about the same level. The one who grew up in Penn State especially encouraged me to go there, because Nova put more emphasis on the teaching and students, instead of collecting money from students as some state universities do. Yes they are not comparable to some other universities in terms of research. But, hey, you want that, right? You want your professors to focus on you instead of his own papers. I think you can also see the nova's reputation in Penn State, based on this professors comment. Again, it's a good school. I never say it's U Penn.

-- by 会员 汪汪汪汪汪 (2013/2/11 7:56:28)

所谓的fierce debates也有一部分原因是因为nova真的算是个黑马，06年以前他完全没有这么高的地位。。。。penn州内的地位就不用说了，每个州内评价自家学校的时候都会蹦出很多学校

记得当时

好帖留名，求UVa或者nova收留~~

vannesssky310

有美籍/绿卡 和 外国人 就业真心是俩码事 不能一起比较。

汪汪汪汪汪

有美籍/绿卡 和 外国人 就业真心是俩码事 不能一起比较。

-- by 会员 vannesssky310 (2013/2/11 14:37:24)

Nova家国际生的情况也是我想问的。不过除了Ivy哪家的国际生placement比较出众的？

Karmalot

Anthony DeAngelis是Syr Whitman本科+Villanova MSF；我觉得现在已经算不上黑马了，CD上火了多久了都。。。

Sardaukar

谨表示该校名字读起来相当萌。。。。