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[阅读小分队] 【Native Speaker每日综合训练—35系列】【35-14】经管 Weibo IPO

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发表于 2014-4-25 23:56:59 | 显示全部楼层 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
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周末好~今天的话题是:微博上市啦~想从两个角度阐述今天的内容,所以材料选的有点多,但是比较简单,请大家轻松的阅读~

这里补充两点IPO的知识,方便大家理解文章。学过有关知识的小伙伴应该已经知道了,我尽量通俗的概括,如有错误欢迎纠正……

1 关于证券承销商(underwriter),在这里就是IPO时帮公司卖股票的机构,一般为投资银行/证券公司(国内国外名称不同而已~)
他们帮公司卖股票一般有几种方式:
A 全额包销,意思是在公司IPO前,承销商把公司的全部股票都买下来,再向投资者发售。
   对上市公司来说,没有任何风险,因为它的股票已经全部卖出去了(买家是承销商)。
   对承销商来说,如果投资者不买账,相当于他们从厂家进了一批货却卖不出去,所以他们承担了公司上市的全部风险。
  (不过承销商很可能会因此变成公司的大股东,对公司来说是种威胁。所以这种情况无论承销商还是公司都不愿看到)。
B 余额包销,意思是在公司IPO时,承销商帮助公司向投资者发售股票(这里它是中介而非买家),
   如果公司的股票没卖完,承销商需把剩下的股票买下来,承担公司上市的部分风险,风险大小由投资者买入公司股票的总量决定。
C 尽力推销,意思是承销商只负责作为中介,将公司的股票发售给投资者,至于发售情况如何,他们管不着也不会管~
文中有 Weibo gained XX million before the sale of any addtional shares to underwriters。
了解上述知识后,大家应该能理解了吧~

2 关于定价区间(offer range),在IPO之前,公司会公布其股票的定价范围,如$15-$20。
   经过一系列的过程(如路演等),最终公司会在定价区间内确定股票的定价。如果股票定价为$15,为下限定价,$20为上限定价。
文中有 Weibo gained XX million at the low end of the offer,$17/The price is at the low end of the $17-$19 range。希望大家能理解~

除此之外还有几个关键词:
list/listing 上市
subscription price 认购价格,也就是大家买入公司股票时的价格,微博上市第一天认购价格的波动范围以及收盘价在文中有~
undersubscription 认购不足
censorship 审查制度

Speaker这材料被那啥了,非常感谢猴哥一直帮忙折腾~不多说,内容值回票价,评价见仁见智~
Speed选取三篇文章。
第一篇写于微博上市前,主要介绍微博上市的计划、面临的挑战和上市的原因。
第二篇是微博上市当天的表现,和新浪董事长曹国伟对微博的各种看法(正面~)。
第三篇和第二篇差不多,不过是从比较负面的角度看待微博上市的结果,告诉大家微博上市不尽人意其实早有征兆。
来自微信的威胁在Speed的三篇文章中不断被提及。因此
Obstacle选了一篇文章,讲述微博的超级竞争者--微信的崛起。

下星期不会话痨的!Enjoy~!



Part I: Speaker

Behind the Great Firewall of China

[Rephrase 1]


[Speech, 18min 52sec]

Source:TED
http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_anti_behind_the_great_firewall_of_china

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-25 23:57:00 | 显示全部楼层
Part II: Speed





The logo of Sina's Chinese microblog website Weibo on a screen in September 2011.
Sina is planning a U.S. initial public offering for Weibo in the second quarter.

China's Sina Plans U.S. IPO for Weibo
Internet Company Plans to Raise Around $500 Million From Listing in 2nd Quarter
By PAUL MOZUR And PRUDENCE HO
Updated Feb. 25, 2014 1:09 a.m. ET

      China's Sina Corp. is planning to raise $500 million by launching an initial public offering in the U.S. for its Weibo microblogging platform. Paul Mozur explains what Weibo is and where it fits among the hierarchy of social-media sites.

[Warm Up]

      China's Weibo social-media service has transformed discourse in the world's second-largest economy, giving a generation of young Chinese a way to reach millions outside traditional government-controlled media channels.

      Now Weibo's owner hopes to take it public in the U.S.—at the same time that the service faces its biggest challenge to its four-year reign as China's top online forum.

      Sina Corp. is aiming to raise roughly $500 million in a second-quarter U.S. initial public offering of the Twitter like service, according to two people with direct knowledge of the deal. Sina—which is already listed in the U.S.—has hired Credit Suisse AG and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. to handle the U.S. listing, one person said. The Financial Times reported the Weibo IPO plans earlier Monday.

      Along with the U.S. listing, Weibo could get a further boost from Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., the Chinese e-commerce company. People familiar with the plans of the companies told The Wall Street Journal that Alibaba is likely to increase its stake in Weibo to 30% from 18% if an IPO takes place. In April, Alibaba bought the 18% stake in Weibo from Sina for $586 million as it moved to broaden its mobile offerings.

      Details of a Weibo IPO weren't clear, but the value of Alibaba's purchase suggests it would represent a minority stake in the business.

      Alibaba's interest in potentially raising its stake in Weibo comes as it also considers its own IPO, in either Hong Kong or the U.S.

[250 words]


[Time 2]

      Alibaba's move to invest in Weibo last year was part of a brewing competition among Chinese Internet giants to capture the increasing number of Chinese tapping the Internet through mobile phones and gadgets.

      Its main competition is Tencent Holdings Ltd. , which owns the popular WeChat instant-messaging app and poses an increasing threat to Weibo. Sina has said that online Chinese are spending more time on WeChat at the expense of Weibo. Tencent declined to comment.

      Weibo faces pressure on the political front, too. The Chinese government last year cracked down on some of Weibo's biggest personalities and launched what it called an antirumor campaign, which raised concerns among analysts that the service's popularity would erode. Chinese authorities arrested a high-profile commentator on charges of soliciting a prostitute, warned others and expanded criminal laws that make it easier to prosecute people for their online activity.

      In January, a government-established research group said the total number of microblog users in China fell 9% to 280.8 million last year from 308.6 million in 2012. It didn't specify which microblogs experienced the drop. Besides Sina Weibo, a number of other organizations offer microblogging services, including Tencent, Sohu.com Inc. and the People's Daily newspaper.

      In a conference call with investors on Monday in the U.S., Sina Chief Executive Charles Chao said the drop likely stems from platforms other than Sina's Weibo. He said Weibo's user numbers rose slightly to 61.4 million at the end of December, from about 60 million at the end of September. He also said time spent on Sina's Weibo expanded 16% from December 2012 to December 2013.

      He said Weibo in the fourth quarter achieved its first operating profit, of more than $3 million, on advertising revenue of $56 million. The company's overall fourth-quarter profit jumped to $44.5 million, or 59 cents a share, up from $2.4 million, or three cents a share, a year earlier. Net revenue increased 42% to $197 million.

      Still, Mr. Chao said Sina's Weibo was experiencing a slowdown in growth momentum. He said Sina would continue to invest in the platform in 2014 and also seek to run more promotions, such as cooperation with popular television shows.


[362 words]


[Time 3]

      Weibo—which means "microblog" in Chinese—works much like Twitter, allowing users to send brief public messages to followers who can comment on or repost them. It was launched in 2009 and attracted large numbers of users as it became a sort of virtual town square where Chinese could discuss anything from pop stars to corrupt politicians. China's online community demonstrated Weibo's power over public opinion in July 2011, when it became a significant platform for criticism of the government's response to a deadly collision of two high-speed trains outside the city of Wenzhou.

      Despite Weibo's popularity, Sina has been slow to make money off Weibo, partly over concerns that ads would alienate users. The $56 million of fourth-quarter advertising revenue from Weibo is nearly triple the year-earlier period but still less than 30% of Sina's overall net revenue for the most recent quarter.

      Alibaba has allowed for the integration of its online payment platform, Alipay, into Weibo and has also been cooperating with Sina to feature advertisements from its merchants.


      A person familiar with the deal said the Weibo listing plan is in part designed to ease management burdens on Sina, which also runs an online portal featuring news and entertainment. The person also said the listing would give Weibo better exposure to outside investors and enable the company to benefit employees who have shares or would be issued shares.

      A recent Barclay's note valued Sina's 71% stake in Weibo at $4.1 billion, compared with its total valuation of Sina at $6.4 billion, meaning that a full divestiture of Weibo would rip away the greater portion of the company's value. Still, that could be beneficial to investors, given the relatively strong recent performance of Chinese Internet stocks and the potential for investors to put money directly into Weibo, long considered a core to Sina's future growth.


[309 words]


Source:The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304834704579402412939770616





Sina Weibo shares jump 19% in US debut
By Paul Handley
April 17, 2014 5:27 PM

[Time 4]

      New York (AFP) - Sina Weibo, China's answer to Twitter, debuted on the Nasdaq exchange Thursday with a 19.1 percent jump despite an IPO that went out undersubscribed and lower priced than hoped.

      In a spate of buying that suggested that Wall Street's waters are still welcoming to loss-making technology high flyers, and to Chinese firms as well, Weibo shares rose from the subscription price of $17 to as high as $24.28, before settling the day at $20.24.

      That is good news for Alibaba, the immensely profitable Chinese online commercial gateway that is preparing its initial public offering for the US market later this year.


      Weibo sought to raise $380 million by selling 20 million shares for as much as $19 each.

      But underwriters could only find demand for 16.8 million shares at the low end of the offer, $17, bringing the company $287 million.



China's Weibo CEO Charles Chao (C) stands with Robert Greifeld, Nasdaq CEO, moments after Weibo began trading on the Nasdaq exchange under the ticker symbol WB on April 17, 2014 in New York City (AFP Photo/Spencer Platt)

      Charles Chao, the chief executive of Chinese online power Sina Corp, Weibo's parent, shrugged off the undersubscription, saying it was mainly important to achieve the listing and establish Weibo's separate identity.

      "It's a tough market... The entire IPO market is rather soft," he told AFP in an interview.

      "To have a successful listing for us is probably the most important. We do not actually care too much about the temporary price for the stock," he said.

      "If we can over the longer term keep executing our strategies and innovating in a very focused way, we can create shareholder value."

      Weibo, launched in August 2009, is China's largest social media service with 144 million active monthly users. It is most often compared to Twitter.

      But by allowing more content and functionality, it overlaps with Facebook as well. Twitter and Facebook are banned in China.

      Weibo has yet to make a profit, losing $38 million last year on revenues of $188 million, and another $47 million in the first quarter of this year, though revenues jumped to nearly $68 million for the three months.



China's Weibo CEO Charles Chao takes a cell phone picture in Times Square moments after Weibo began trading on the Nasdaq exchange under the ticker symbol WB on April 17, 2014 in New York City (AFP Photo/Spencer Platt)

      Chao said Weibo is rapidly building income from display and performance-based ads.

      "We are making great progress in both advertising areas, serving different clients bases from brand advertisers to SMEs (small and medium-sized firms) to e-commerce merchants," he said.

      "There is no question that (Weibo's) revenue growth is much higher than our existing portal business."


[382 words]


[Time 5]

- China slowdown no worry -



A man walks past the office entrance of Sina Weibo, widely known as China's version of Twitter, in Beijing on April 16, 2014 (AFP Photo/Wang Zhao)

      Critics say Weibo faces a challenge from rival network WeChat, owned by China's Tencent group, but Chao says the two are distinct.

      While Weibo's messaging is open and public, WeChat users confine their messages to their own selected groups of followers, keeping discussions private and offering more protection from Beijing's censors.

      Even so, he admits, the two compete with each other in terms of time spent by the users. Yet Weibo has the advantage for advertisers, he insisted.

      "Fundamentally... a public network is much more efficient than a private network," he said. "A private network can never be efficient in terms of content distribution."

      Chao also said China's economic slowdown was also not a problem for Sina or Weibo, and could possibly work to their advantage.

      "Maybe a downturn in the economy will have some impact on the advertising business we are doing, but over the longer term, we're not concerned at all."

      "The Internet has proven that it is very resilient... What the Internet does is, it increases the efficiency of everything, and so sometimes in bad times Internet companies can perform better."

      In New York for the IPO, Chao ran into questions about China's tough censorship of the Internet. He argued that Weibo has been a key player in giving all Chinese a voice, and that China has progressed a lot.

      "There is no question that each country will have their own rules in terms of regulating the content industry or content behavior by users on the Internet... China is no exception," he argued.

       "We are very experienced in terms of complying with the laws and regulations in this area. So I don't think it’s a big concern for us."


[290 words]


Source:Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/weibo-ipo-below-expectations-raises-285-6-mn-034336602.html





Sina Weibo's IPO Is Not Going As Well As Planned
AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE
APR. 17, 2014, 7:11 AM

      Weibo Corp., a subsidiary of Chinese Internet behemoth Sina, has filed for a $500 million stock offer in the United States, the ultimate exercise in capitalism, as it seeks funds to grow users in the face of pressure from newer competitors.

[Warm Up]

      Sina Weibo sold fewer shares than expected in its US IPO which was priced below expectations ahead of a Thursday listing that takes place after tech selloffs on Wall Street.


      The firm, often described as China's version of Twitter, sold 16.8 million US depositary shares, according to Dow Jones Newswires, while a person familiar with the deal told AFP each share was priced at $17.

      That means it raised $285.6 million before the sale of any additional shares to underwriters.

      The figures are well below the 20 million shares and $340 million it had been aiming for -- reflecting a cautious mood after the tech-weighted Nasdaq index tumbled for more than three weeks.

      The pricing is at the low end of the $17-$19 range at which the Beijing-based firm had been expected to offer its shares.

      In March, Weibo had estimated the value of its initial public offering at as much as $500 million.

      The offering comes as Chinese e-commerce giant Alibaba -- a shareholder in Weibo -- is preparing its own eagerly anticipated IPO later in the year, which is expected to be the biggest in the tech sector since Facebook's in 2012.

[194 words]


[Time 6]

      Sina Weibo -- launched in August 2009 to provide services akin to Twitter which is banned in China -- is a leading social media site in a country with the world's largest population of Internet users at 618 million.

      But it is facing questions about the size of its user base as well as rising competition from local rivals including Tencent's WeChat, an instant messaging platform that allows users to send text, photos, videos and voice messages over mobile devices.

- 'Quite uncertain' path -

      Zhuo Saijun, a Beijing-based analyst with consultancy Analysys International, said the disappointing price was not a surprise given the challenges Weibo faces.

      As its value in delivering news and information decreases, people will rely on it less for information, he said, making "quite uncertain" its road to commercialisation.

      "On that basis, it’s not telling a very good story, so it’s quite normal to see a cut in its valuation and everyone being downbeat about it," he said.

      Weibo's challenges in transitioning from PC terminals to mobile ones pose another problem.

      "Its user engagement and multiple competitors on mobile devices are one big important reason for its awkward situation," Zhuo said.

      Weibo's ascent has also hit speed bumps due to a social media crackdown by Beijing, which tightly controls online activity.

      Ongoing troubles in the Nasdaq -- fuelled by concerns that some tech stocks such as Facebook and Netflix are overpriced -- has hit a number of recent IPOs.

      All five companies that went public in New York on Monday and Tuesday offloaded their shares for less than they had forecast.

      And on Wednesday, an IPO by Sabre Corp, a tech company specialising in travel booking, saw it sell 39.2 million shares at $16 a share, raising $627.2 million.

      That came under expectations for a sale of 44.7 million shares for up to $20 that could have made almost $900 million.


[319 words]


Source:Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/sina-weibos-ipo-is-not-going-as-well-as-planned-2014-4



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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-25 23:57:01 | 显示全部楼层
Part III: Obstacle




The internet
From Weibo to WeChat
After a crackdown on microblogs, sensitive online discussion has shifted
Jan 18th 2014 | BEIJING | From the print edition

[Paraphrase 7]

      WHEN Luo Changping, an investigative journalist, tried on November 22nd to post the latest chapter of his big scoop on WeChat, a popular Chinese mobile messaging service, censors blocked it. But he was able to work round them. In a follow-up message he told his subscribers they could send him the words “Chapter Seventeen”; users who did so automatically received the post on their mobile phones, uncensored.

      WeChat, or Weixin in Chinese, is known mostly for private chatting and innocuous photo-sharing among small circles of friends. With more than 270m active users, it has become the star product from Tencent, an internet conglomerate. Some have compared it to WhatsApp, an American messaging service. More quietly, it has become the preferred medium for provocative online discussion—the latest move in China’s cat-and-mouse game of internet expression and censorship.

      Mr Luo began posting his serialised stories on WeChat in May. They related how he had exposed the alleged corruption of Liu Tienan, a senior economic official. He had tried tweeting them on Sina Weibo, a Twitter-like microblog on which he had accused Mr Liu of corruption months earlier, but internet censors blocked him from doing so: hence his switch to WeChat. Though his initial attempts there were also blocked, the loophole that enabled him to send out the file is typical of WeChat’s more relaxed approach to censorship.

      A WeChat account works much less publicly than accounts on microblogs (of which Sina Weibo is the most prominent). Anyone using Sina Weibo can see almost anyone else’s tweets and forward them on, meaning a single tweet can spread very quickly. On WeChat, it is usually only subscribers to a public account who will see a post (though such posts may also be viewed on a separate web page), and if a subscriber forwards a post, only that subscriber’s circle of friends see it. Its non-public accounts are even less open. Information on WeChat spreads at such a slow burn that authorities feel they have more control over it. Also in contrast to microblogs, many types of public account (like Mr Luo’s) can send out only one post to subscribers a day, making them much easier for authorities to monitor.

      Mr Luo does not always have problems sending out his stories on WeChat and, since switching to the service, he has posted the equivalent of a blog post every week or two, and built a following of more than 60,000—“higher than the actual subscription figure of many Chinese magazines”, he says. WeChat is now his prime delivery platform for newsy titbits, including sensitive information that would be censored more rigorously on microblogs. (He has not published for Caijing magazine, his former employer, since being transferred in November to a non-reporting position at an affiliated research institute.) Meanwhile, he makes much less use of his Sina Weibo account, even though it has more than four times as many followers: “The ground for public opinion has begun to shift toward WeChat,” he says.

      The rise of WeChat is a business phenomenon in its own right. But it is also a measure of how adaptive and resilient China’s political and social discourse has become—almost as adaptive as the censorship regime that seeks to contain it. Recently a number of public intellectuals have lamented the decline of meaningful discussion on weibo. The microblogs were full of user-led activism in 2012 but, starting in 2013, officials have dramatically escalated their efforts to control them. Propaganda outlets have intensified attacks on the spread of rumours online, authorities browbeat online celebrities to be “more responsible” (at least two have been arrested on unrelated charges), and microbloggers can now be jailed for up to three years for tweeting false information that is forwarded 500 times or viewed 5,000 times. President Xi Jinping, in a speech to party leaders in August, said that the internet was the prime battleground in the fight over public opinion, and that officials must seize control of it.

      Clearing the vegetation

      By the end of 2013 a propaganda official boasted that the authorities had successfully “cleaned” the internet. Some public intellectuals have given up their microblog accounts. One described the internet and microblogs as being in a “vegetative state”.

      The decline in activity on weibo has been real and measurable. The Public Opinion Monitoring Office of People’s Daily Online, a party mouthpiece, found in a study that the number of “online exposés of negative social events, especially critiques of government” has decreased significantly. The study found that postings on weibo by 100 opinion leaders fell by 10% in the two months following a warning from a senior official last August that popular microbloggers should be more responsible online. Voices also became “more positive”, the study found.

      But discussion on the internet is not in a vegetative state so much as it is migrating and mutating. WeChat represents the new field of battle online, and official voices have been quicker to adapt to it than they were to weibo, whose rapid rise from 2009 caught them by surprise. Many state-run media already have WeChat accounts. Still, independent voices find that, since WeChat networks are more private than weibo, their interactions are more fragmented and personal, but also less subject to scrutiny and censorship because their reach is less broad. (Unlike microblogs, WeChat does not disclose how many subscribe to individual public accounts.)

      Activists are under no illusion, though, that WeChat accounts are private and secure. Tencent is a long-trusted Chinese internet giant that has deep ties with the Communist Party. Ma Huateng, its founder and chief executive, is a delegate to China’s national legislature. Mr Xi visited the company’s headquarters in Shenzhen in December 2012, shortly after becoming general secretary of the party. As with any Chinese internet company, Tencent’s interest is in making a profit, not in fostering a subversive national conversation that could lead to its service being shut down.

      But the lack of transparency on WeChat presents a different challenge to the authorities from that posed by weibo. When a rumour starts on weibo, it can be stopped on a public platform, says Mr Luo. When grumblings develop on WeChat, they are more likely to fester quietly for longer. If a rumour is spreading, there is no public platform to refute it, he says. “I think if something really happens, WeChat would do a lot more damage than weibo.”


[1110 words]


Source:The Economist
http://www.economist.com/news/china/21594296-after-crackdown-microblogs-sensitive-online-discussion-has-shifted-weibo-wechat



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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-26 00:12:19 | 显示全部楼层
今天发的有点晚,大家明天再来做吧


time:
Weibo's IPO plan in U.S./500 millions.
Alibaba's purchase for Weibo--minority stake.Plans to increase the proportion if IPO takes place.Alibaba also plans its won IPO in U.S.or HK.
______________
time:
Weibo face challenges and competitions.
1 Competition from Tencent's Wechat.
2 challenges from government antirumor activities.
Survey finds that the number of microbloggers is declining.But doesn't target specific microblog.
Sina saids Weibo's users didn't decline,but become more.Weibo also runs well.But the growth is slowdown.
_______________
time:
Brief introduction of Weibo.
Weibo is popular in China,but its advertising revenue takes a minor proportion in Sina's whole revenue--fear to alienate users.
Alibaba coorporates with Weibo.
The reason of Weibo's IPO--better deal with management burdens/become a global brand to attract international investors.
Weibo seperates from Sina--may have some negtive impacts because this will decrease Sina's whole value.But this will do good to investors to invest directly to Weibo.
_________________
time:
Weibo's IPO.Its subscription price(20.24).Target--20 million shares,$19.Result--16.8 million shares,$17(low end).
Chao's words--
temporate price not very important.
list and independent is more important.
Weibo will make profits for investors.Though face some decline,it is the best revenue grower in Sina.
_______________
time:
Weibo's challenges.
1 competition from Wechat--different choices.Weibo is more open.
2 China's economy slowdown--sometimes in bad times,companies can perform better.
3 government censorship--Weibo is good at following laws while give people chances to express their ideas,government also support.
________________
time:
Brief introduction of Weibo's IPO result.
______________
time:
The down valuation is not a surprise,considering the challenges and competitions Weibo facing.
Shrink user group.Tighter government control.Serious competition from other mobile devices.
______________
time:
WeChat become popular.Some users of Weibo start move to WeChat--better adapt to censorship.
On the one hand,
WeChat is eaiser for government to control and manage.(not open and spread fast like Weibo.and have limitation.)
On the other hand,
WeChat allow more sensitive information to be posted than Weibo.
So users shift to WeChat.
This phenomenon reflects the adaptation to censorship--antirumor activities/officials ask users to be more responsible for the information they post and spread.
Surprising fact--official vocies adapt to WeChat quickly,many official media have already opened their WeChat account./individual vocies can interact with less censorship.
Tencent has a relationship with government.
But WeChat may create more damage than Weibo.Because information in WeChat can spread quietly and longer,more difficult for government to notice.
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-26 22:03:24 | 显示全部楼层
yangjunxxyy 发表于 2014-4-26 12:27
第一次跟阅读小分队~~~给自己加油
【Warm up】1'50"
WeiBo, a Chinese social network that broadern the y ...

欢迎加入小分队~!如果觉得回忆不够简练的话,可以试试只写关键词,或者只写段落的主要框架,不写细节~希望你能找到自己习惯的阅读和回忆方法~
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-26 22:04:59 | 显示全部楼层
阿瓜0826 发表于 2014-4-26 18:58
谢谢TaoRS92!!报名后第三帖。最近熬了好几天夜,刚刚看的时候快睡着了。。。然后被时间吓到了
warm up  ...

哈哈经验之谈,考GMAT前一晚(前几晚。不应该说,一直都要!)一定要好好睡一觉。不然考完数学脑袋就一团浆糊了~备考虽然辛苦,但也要注意劳逸结合,保证休息时间!加油!
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-26 22:07:21 | 显示全部楼层
limin501 发表于 2014-4-26 12:48
这个话唠好可爱

说的是我吧我没有自作多情吧有的时候唠叨太多怕大家实际上会直接跳过不看,哈哈。
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 楼主| 发表于 2014-4-26 22:09:49 | 显示全部楼层
盘腿大王 发表于 2014-4-26 19:05
谢谢楼主~每次主题都很有意义~辛苦了~~
视频没有找到有字幕的 貌似都被和谐了= =。。。不过是中国人讲的 很 ...

是的……无论是TED源地址还是这边的视频都被河蟹的厉害。多亏猴哥帮忙搞定了,想着用不了还得换备胎
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