[翻新！刚录了SSE Fin] ESSEC GE VS. Bocconi CEMS MiM 三校都无奖

cheesechan

one vote for ESSEC.

Reason:
1. You speak French but not Italian.
2. France has a better economy and job market than Italy
3. As long as it is a target, and has good placement record, who cares about the ranking?
4. The marginal benefir of a 2nd master in management is not really high. Kind of exchange+.

cheesechan

lyssieZ 发表于 2017-2-28 21:33
谢谢前辈的建议！我暂定也是ESSEC....
我情感上倾向ESSEC，但是感觉Bocconi的学生更刻苦努力？觉得选一条 ...

要自虐建議自己回家三刀六洞.......

cheesechan

lyssieZ 发表于 2017-3-1 16:08
前辈，出现了一个小变数...
发现CEMS决定交换学校只考虑硕士第一年第一学期的gpa，如果cems交换学校是LSE ...

LSE for CEMS is not a realistic expectation unless it is confirmed already.......you have to know, LSE is the most competitive school within the list, i.e. you need to be the top of the class.....
and you know, GPA in a management major is not something thats for sure even you work very very hard.

cheesechan

lyssieZ 发表于 2017-3-1 17:58
Absolutely...其实去了ESSEC是不是也意味了我和学术绝缘了T T...谢谢前辈！

if you want to keep in touch with academics.........well, are you sure you want a master in management at the very first hand?

cheesechan

lyssieZ 发表于 2017-3-1 19:08
呜呜呜我不想要啊....但是我上了贼船下不来了....

it is already master level........
when you open some door with that, you close some more at the same time.

cheesechan

cathyluyuan 发表于 2017-3-1 20:37
我是management master要申请PhD的。最telling的一个细节，我硕士导师拿着我本科政论课的syllabus看得津津 ...

agree. business (not matter it is finance, orgainzation, HRM, marketing) is not an academic discipline by itself - it is an application area.
They will use theory and method from science and social science, i.e. mainly math/stat empirical methodology and model; and economics, soci, psy, politics and etc theory and framework to explain and solve issue in business field.

and indeed, a practical (i.e. good in sense of employment) master in management should not be academics at all, since all those theory are not useful in job market.
what is needed is networking, networking and networking with people in various industry, while those interested in academics should network with those in academics.

cheesechan

cathyluyuan 发表于 2017-3-1 21:53
Nod. And here is something I am unfamiliar with - how theoretical are OP's master courses in manag ...

I guess this is really case-by-case.

That depends on the style / program structure of the master, the focus of it, and how close the business school is from other more academics departments........imagine a stand-alone business school, with a social science university......that's already a big difference.

Someone interested in academics research / PhD should be able to do a research on this topic him/herself.

cheesechan

one point worth mentioning concerning London is:

don't just use historical placement of XXX school in London as estimate.
Brexit is clearly a structure break - and it is something likely to happen at the "right" time for those who graduate 2 years later.

cheesechan

lyssieZ 发表于 2017-3-17 23:27
嗷嗷嗷起司大神 我又被SSE fin录了....我现在更想去SSE，你有没有想骂醒我的地方...... ...

SSE:
3. SSE Finance is not an academics program which prepare you for a PhD in Finance (there is no adv microeconomics, time series econometrics and asset pricing, so it is clear)
of course it is still way better than a general MiM.
when compared to ESSEC GE, it is not kind of 2 year vs 3 year. the extra year in ESSEC is for internship. you may extend somehow if you get an internship if you are in SSE too. Cannot compare like this. things are different.

ESSEC:
1. dont expect anything solid or technical from a stand alone business school.
2. dont think that the M2 or PhD stuffs is important. more improtant is to check if ESSEC is a good place for PhD for the field you are interested in.
3. I havent seen people looking towards life in Paris for quite some time. People are talking about the Muslims, Blacks and Booms over there recently.

just follow your heart and go to the one you like more.

cheesechan

aluzeing 发表于 2017-3-18 02:10
如果说SSE的master都不能去申请PhD，那估计全北欧的商学院的master都没戏了，特别还是Finance这种专业。楼 ...

當然看過program structure才說的. 也不是說不能申請, 而是the master is not for this purpose. (當然, 不是for academic purpose的master有沒有空間變回一個good preparation是另一個問題)

補充一點, 其實不應該說沒有, 而應該說core沒有.
Q: core 沒有, elective有不就行了嗎?
A: 你把elective用來補基本的core的時候, 人家早就在上advanced topic course和seminar了........

P.S.1 yes for 5302, but not the asset pricing 4304. What a asset pricing course in an academics financial economics program cover not this set of topic, but some more advanced and theoretical topic. Basically Cochrane. this 4304 is a really practical quantitative model for finance class, but it is not something people talk about asset pricing in academic economic and finance. (sometimes it is called theortical asset pricing, asset pricing or financial economics......this course is a must for any academics economics and finance master)

P.S.2 agree with the fast track part is a positive signal. and agree with a the PhD Finance in SSE is a good one. but don't think "have a good PhD program" imply that the master must be a good preparation for that.
P.S.3 其實所謂academic vs practical master的分別, 不只是名稱(e.g. MPhil vs MSc), 長短的分別, 也是內容分別, 更是學生心態的分別.
舉個例, 選課, 學術的就偏理論, 打好基礎, 打算就業的就以實用為首要.
network, 學術的就是network top/active researcher, know more about research frontier, practical的自然是多network working alumni and etc....
平時part-time, summer 要intern, 玩學術的自然拼便找research assistant, practical的自然是多申幾間公司..........
所以就算沒有名稱上的分別, 單單看program structure, 遴選方法等等都會略知一二.
兩者可以兼容嗎? 難, 除了很少的field外, 兩邊的內容是不重覆的.........而人要睡覺, 時間有限.