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大半夜崩溃了。。到底比较结构怎么看比较对象跟省略啊?求教各位NN

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发表于 2012-3-30 02:01:41 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
prep2008语法笔记sc1的218题中写到
1.Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than …中,不仅仅Only seven people,后面的this century have been killed by the great white shark也都在比较对象里面,所以后文不能用those killed by bee stings,而应该用平行的结构than have been killed by bee stings。
而2.According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than (that of) livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be good for cardiac health. 这个句子不对。其在livestock前加上that of…比较的对象是animals has less fatthatthat指代fat,而事实上比较的应该是wild animalslivestock的属性,即拥有fat的多少,所以than后面也应该用平行的句式,即主谓宾形式。
同时在3.rice has a protein higher in quality than that in wheat这个句子里,比较对象是proteinthatthat指代的也是protein,比较的仅仅是proteinrice has不在比较成分之内,比较的是protein的属性),所以允许平行。
第2.和第3.个句子有什么区别呢?都是主语+have+宾语,that都指代了前面句子的宾语,其比较对象在句子中2.说是整个主谓宾结构,而到了句子中3.就成了宾语了呢?还说第二个句子是错的。。。
第一个句子又说those和前面的主谓结构相比较。。。我完全崩溃了。。。到底比较对象是怎么看的?

另外还有个问题,句子1.中,than have been killed by bee stings是在和have been killed by the great white shark直接进行谓语的比较呢?
还是这里面省略了成分than (the people  who) have been ...?如果是这样这不又涉及比较对象是什么的问题了么?跟those killed by bee stings的表达有什么区别呢?

说到比较结构的省略,在prep2007版破解语法分析中sc1的77题Scientists have found signs that moving water changed the chemical makeup of the surface of Mars in recent eras and have therefore concluded that the planet's crust harbors up to three times as much water as previously thought。这个as后面的 previously thought是省略了什么成分吗???这时候比较对象是什么呢???

大半夜的把自己搞崩溃了。。跪求各位NN指点迷津啊。。。
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16#
发表于 2012-4-9 19:42:34 | 只看该作者
the energy是不对...我解释的是whereas前后不完全对称为什么对啊...不矛盾
15#
发表于 2012-4-4 19:22:45 | 只看该作者
同崩溃啊啊啊啊!!
借个地儿问一下 whereas 算比较么????
Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, [while in
Germany it is just over 33 percent]
A. while in Germany it is just over 33 percent
B. compared to Germany, which uses just over 33 percent
C. whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33 percent of the energy produced in
Germany
D. whereas just over 33 percent of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
E. compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33
percent

选C。可我完全看不出来任何平行结构啊???
到底是哪个和哪个在比啊?????
-- by 会员 淡水18度 (2012/3/31 21:56:16)




whereas对比不要求形式完全对称,但是前后句语意的逻辑要对称,表达的中心要一致;前句说75%法国的产能来自核能,whereas后说核能占据了德国33%的产能,虽然前后句主语和宾语正好是相反的,但是它们的关系是一样的,其实从语义上讲表达的是很对称的~~~
-- by 会员 qychen (2012/3/31 23:23:42)



亲啊,这个是OG上的题呢,OG的解释是C选项上的the energy有可能造成歧义,表示前一句中的“the energy produced in France”。 所以个人认为跟平行神马的木有啥关系
14#
发表于 2012-3-31 23:29:28 | 只看该作者
哈哈~我是女纸~叫姐就行~看LZ初期复习GMAT的势头,日后必定大有造化!
13#
发表于 2012-3-31 23:23:42 | 只看该作者
同崩溃啊啊啊啊!!
借个地儿问一下 whereas 算比较么????
Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, [while in
Germany it is just over 33 percent]
A. while in Germany it is just over 33 percent
B. compared to Germany, which uses just over 33 percent
C. whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33 percent of the energy produced in
Germany
D. whereas just over 33 percent of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
E. compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33
percent

选C。可我完全看不出来任何平行结构啊???
到底是哪个和哪个在比啊?????
-- by 会员 淡水18度 (2012/3/31 21:56:16)



whereas对比不要求形式完全对称,但是前后句语意的逻辑要对称,表达的中心要一致;前句说75%法国的产能来自核能,whereas后说核能占据了德国33%的产能,虽然前后句主语和宾语正好是相反的,但是它们的关系是一样的,其实从语义上讲表达的是很对称的~~~
12#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-31 22:48:28 | 只看该作者
身为准炮灰的我打算积点阴德。。。尽量减少对LZ的误导。。。
首先表示我NC了,as previously thought中as没有发挥代词功能,应该是sb.省略了,补充完整应该是as (people) previously thought (it would)。

其次我想提醒LZ一下as引导定语从句的功能:
限定性——就是such n. as A,B,C...那种;
非限定性——As I expected, he got the first place again in this mid-term examination.

再其次我想表达一下:“Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow,as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks. ”中并不是rate is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks,这个rate是从rings中推测出来的,我认为,主句中没有一个具体的名词能够在as seen之间被省略,因此,我认为LZ之前将as seen..看成是一个省略主谓的状语从句是不准确的。而且as如果引导状语从句,那么就是引导方式状语从句,表示的是A做B,正如C作D一样。而在这个句子中as表达的并不是“方式”的类似。
所以我推断,这个as seen...与as I expected一样,应该算作是非限定性定语。
因此我又被颠覆了。
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其实,我问过身边若干个750+的同学,他们对语法的理解并没有多深刻,我问很多问题他们也都答不出来。。。最后我们总结一下,要把打太极的精神融入到SC里。。。不要太较真。。。语意逻辑最重要。。。

最后向楼主表达深深地歉意。。。本人非NN,本人表达观点完全是以和LZ讨论为目的的,希望楼主不要全信,并继续探索真理。。。
-- by 会员 qychen (2012/3/31 22:00:09)



qychen兄说的很有道理,gmat 本来靠的就是sc,不是grammar,能够简洁准确地表达意思是目的,有时候太专注于语法知识点的总结和应用反而是限制住了自己,复习的时候自我感觉自然是超级好的,因为这些语法点本来就是根据已有的题目总结出来的,自然所有的题目都跟自己的想法不谋而合了。。。
当然而真正上了考场gmac老头出的新题可是千变万化的,新东方,prep笔记,白勇等等只能帮助你拿到一个还不算低的分数,就像C姐说的,“用语法做题可以让你上700,但上不了750”,而想真正想得高分还是要靠理解句意还有逻辑。
我相信,真理是越辩越明的。。。再一次严重感谢qychen童鞋在考前百忙之中抽出时间来看我的帖子,祝你在不久后的考试中能拿到超乎预期的分数!qychen是个好人!你全家都是好人!我在刚开始复习gmat的时候就碰到这样的好人真是我的福气。。amen。。
11#
发表于 2012-3-31 22:00:09 | 只看该作者
身为准炮灰的我打算积点阴德。。。尽量减少对LZ的误导。。。
首先表示我NC了,as previously thought中as没有发挥代词功能,应该是sb.省略了,补充完整应该是as (people) previously thought (it would)。

其次我想提醒LZ一下as引导定语从句的功能:
限定性——就是such n. as A,B,C...那种;
非限定性——As I expected, he got the first place again in this mid-term examination.

再其次我想表达一下:“Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow,as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks. ”中并不是rate is seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks,这个rate是从rings中推测出来的,我认为,主句中没有一个具体的名词能够在as seen之间被省略,因此,我认为LZ之前将as seen..看成是一个省略主谓的状语从句是不准确的。而且as如果引导状语从句,那么就是引导方式状语从句,表示的是A做B,正如C作D一样。而在这个句子中as表达的并不是“方式”的类似。
所以我推断,这个as seen...与as I expected一样,应该算作是非限定性定语。
因此我又被颠覆了。
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
其实,我问过身边若干个750+的同学,他们对语法的理解并没有多深刻,我问很多问题他们也都答不出来。。。最后我们总结一下,要把打太极的精神融入到SC里。。。不要太较真。。。语意逻辑最重要。。。

最后向楼主表达深深地歉意。。。本人非NN,本人表达观点完全是以和LZ讨论为目的的,希望楼主不要全信,并继续探索真理。。。
10#
发表于 2012-3-31 21:56:16 | 只看该作者
同崩溃啊啊啊啊!!
借个地儿问一下 whereas 算比较么????
Over 75 percent of the energy produced in France derives from nuclear power, [while in
Germany it is just over 33 percent]
A. while in Germany it is just over 33 percent
B. compared to Germany, which uses just over 33 percent
C. whereas nuclear power accounts for just over 33 percent of the energy produced in
Germany
D. whereas just over 33 percent of the energy comes from nuclear power in Germany
E. compared with the energy from nuclear power in Germany, where it is just over 33
percent

选C。可我完全看不出来任何平行结构啊???
到底是哪个和哪个在比啊?????
9#
 楼主| 发表于 2012-3-31 15:36:36 | 只看该作者
as,than啊神马的可以一边做连词一边作代词的亲~~~as previously thought,than expected神马的都是一回事,如果加上一个sb.就清楚了,as sb. previously thought, than many experts expected。。。前面叙述现在的一种情况,然后与之前的设想,或专家的预期情况作比较,比较的是这种情况,而不是某一个名词~~

lz毛线不要急,想我十一天后我就要正式去当炮灰了。。。还这么水。。。
-- by 会员 qychen (2012/3/31 10:38:14)


加上个SB。。。好欢乐啊!
as可以做代词么?下面这个例子里as是什么用法啊亲。。
Among the surest indications on Earth of sunspot cycles is believed to be the rate at which trees grow,as seen in the rings visible in the cross sections of their trunks.
我以前觉得as在这儿是状语,表示“像。。”,seen过去分词作定语修饰主语rate,听了你的说法难道是做代词指代rate,本身做同位语?然后seen在修饰它???
OMG。。。我已经完全处于毛线的n维世界了。。
8#
发表于 2012-3-31 13:26:26 | 只看该作者
prep2008语法笔记sc1的218题中写到
1.Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than …中,不仅仅Only seven people,后面的this century have been killed by the great white shark也都在比较对象里面,所以后文不能用those killed by bee stings,而应该用平行的结构than have been killed by bee stings。
而2.According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated animals, wild animals have less total fat than (that of) livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be good for cardiac health. 这个句子不对。其在livestock前加上that of…比较的对象是animals has less fatthatthat指代fat,而事实上比较的应该是wild animalslivestock的属性,即拥有fat的多少,所以than后面也应该用平行的句式,即主谓宾形式。
同时在3.rice has a protein higher in quality than that in wheat这个句子里,比较对象是proteinthatthat指代的也是protein,比较的仅仅是proteinrice has不在比较成分之内,比较的是protein的属性),所以允许平行。
第2.和第3.个句子有什么区别呢?都是主语+have+宾语,that都指代了前面句子的宾语,其比较对象在句子中2.说是整个主谓宾结构,而到了句子中3.就成了宾语了呢?还说第二个句子是错的。。。
第一个句子又说those和前面的主谓结构相比较。。。我完全崩溃了。。。到底比较对象是怎么看的?

另外还有个问题,句子1.中,than have been killed by bee stings是在和have been killed by the great white shark直接进行谓语的比较呢?
还是这里面省略了成分than (the people  who) have been ...?如果是这样这不又涉及比较对象是什么的问题了么?跟those killed by bee stings的表达有什么区别呢?

说到比较结构的省略,在prep2007版破解语法分析中sc1的77题Scientists have found signs that moving water changed the chemical makeup of the surface of Mars in recent eras and have therefore concluded that the planet's crust harbors up to three times as much water as previously thought。这个as后面的 previously thought是省略了什么成分吗???这时候比较对象是什么呢???

大半夜的把自己搞崩溃了。。跪求各位NN指点迷津啊。。。
-- by 会员 losaohan (2012/3/30 2:01:41)




L兄,又碰到你了。。。。
你可以去看看另外那个帖子,我说了关于比较的
1.比较对象是状语:by... 且其他成分完全相同
当比较对象是状语时,省略的时候要把谓语补出,且格式不变,完全照搬

第二和第三是不一样的,第二题比较的对象是主语的这个属性,是主语的比较
第三题比较的对象是protein的属性(in rice ,in wheat),是宾语的比较

2.
According to recent studies comparing the nutritional value of meat from wild animals and meat from domesticated
animals, wild animals have less total fat than livestock fed on grain and more of a kind of fat thought to be
good for cardiac health.                              也可以写成livestock do
若比较对象是主语,虽然有宾语,但是不会产生歧义,助动词也可以省略,加上也可以

3.rice has protein higher in quality than that in wheat
要是改成这样就更容易理解了:the protein in rice has higher quality than that in wheat
这就是主语的比较了,省略助动词

做比较结构的题一定要看比较的根本点在哪
若不止一个比较点,一定要写完整
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