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作者: richard_zhang    时间: 2004-10-18 10:01
标题: [讨论]OG251 NOW WITH

The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970’s.


(A) extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than


(B) extinction; its numbers are now five times more than


(C) extinction, their numbers now fivefold what they were


(D) extinction, now with fivefold the numbers they hadA


(E) extinction, now with numbers five times greater than


A, the best choice, uses a singular pronoun, its, to refer to the singular antecedent The gyrfalcon, and it properly uses the construction its numbers are now... greater than. In B, the construction its numbers are... more is not idiomatic: there are more birds, but not more numbers. Choices C and D use a plural pronoun, their or they, to refer to a grammatically singular antecedent, The gyrfalcon. Choices D and E wrongly use a phrase introduced by now with to modify The gyrfalcon. In both choices, the phrase confusingly seems to parallel with extinction; a new clause with a present tense verb is needed to state what the gyrfalcon’s numbers are now.


解释中对D和E now with 的解释是什么意思啊?


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-10-19 20:30
D, E里的with短语, 容易被认为和with extinction并列平行.
作者: giantbaby    时间: 2005-6-24 15:53
A选项的its numbers是指带gyrfalcon,也可以指代an Arctic bird,并且也不存在任何逻辑问题,不是存在歧义了吗????
作者: giantbaby    时间: 2005-7-8 14:02
顶一下!nn帮忙解释一下!
作者: 思谦    时间: 2005-7-8 23:54

请nn帮忙解释一下


作者: 潜龙勿用    时间: 2005-7-9 06:38
以下是引用giantbaby在2005-6-24 15:53:00的发言:
A选项的its numbers是指带gyrfalcon,也可以指代an Arctic bird,并且也不存在任何逻辑问题,不是存在歧义了吗????


its 指代gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird 只是gyrfalcon同位语(你也可以把它看做是插入语).
作者: giantbaby    时间: 2005-7-9 10:19
以下是引用潜龙勿用在2005-7-9 6:38:00的发言:


its 指代gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird 只是gyrfalcon同位语(你也可以把它看做是插入语).


为什么it只能指代主语,不能指代同位语呢?代词指代中有这样的规则吗?


我在大全上找到了一个题,大家看看


According to Interstudy, a nonprofit organization that studies health maintenance organizations (HMO’s), they estimate that, in comparison to last year, when only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s was profitable, this year 73 percent will be.


(A) they estimate that, in comparison to last year, when only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s was profitable, this year 73 percent will be


(B) compared to only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s being profitable last year, they estimate 73 percent would be this year


(C) only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s were profitable last year; it estimates that this year 73 percent will be


(D) it estimates 73 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s would be profitable this year; last year that was only 36 percent


(E) only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s last year were profitable, whereas they estimate it this year to be 73 percent


这道题正确答案是C,IT就是指代的同位语a nonprofit organization


欢迎大家讨论!


作者: 潜龙勿用    时间: 2005-7-10 12:45
以下是引用giantbaby在2005-7-9 10:19:00的发言:



为什么it只能指代主语,不能指代同位语呢?代词指代中有这样的规则吗?


我在大全上找到了一个题,大家看看


According to Interstudy, a nonprofit organization that studies health maintenance organizations (HMO’s), they estimate that, in comparison to last year, when only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s was profitable, this year 73 percent will be.


(A) they estimate that, in comparison to last year, when only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s was profitable, this year 73 percent will be


(B) compared to only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s being profitable last year, they estimate 73 percent would be this year


(C) only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s were profitable last year; it estimates that this year 73 percent will be


(D) it estimates 73 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s would be profitable this year; last year that was only 36 percent


(E) only 36 percent of the nation’s 607 HMO’s last year were profitable, whereas they estimate it this year to be 73 percent


这道题正确答案是C,IT就是指代的同位语a nonprofit organization


欢迎大家讨论!



我认为,这里it是指代Interstudy, 而不是 a nonprofit organization.
作者: giantbaby    时间: 2005-7-10 21:16

仔细分析了下句意,it确实是指代Interstudy,看来在“n.+同位语;it”这种情况下ets认为指代n.是没有歧义的!


谢谢潜龙勿用!


作者: diehard    时间: 2005-7-28 10:41
C选项中的it是形式主语吧,指代后面的从句
作者: seasnow    时间: 2005-12-21 04:55
想问一下a bird of prey是什么意思,谢谢!
作者: seasnow    时间: 2005-12-25 06:25
我查到了,是猛禽的意思。
作者: baobaob    时间: 2006-2-13 23:39
以下是引用diehard在2005-7-28 10:41:00的发言:
C选项中的it是形式主语吧,指代后面的从句

不同意,It is estimated that...(据估计。。。)里lt 才是形式主语


作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-12-1 16:05

1.我选择E.  以为能回避开its numbers这种看上去心慌慌的表达方式.  结果两次都栽了.

现在回过头来看, 虽然its numbers是有些奇怪,但是在their缺乏指代的情况下,its numbers就很可能是正确的选项,没有必要再进一步回避了,否则单复数这个考点就白考了.     NN看这种考试思路可行么?

2.有人摘录OG10对E.选项的解释,说逗号后面的with numbers与前面的with extinction会形成平行结构.所以不正确,对此我是这样理解的,请NN指正:

鉴于a close brush with(该词组通常带有敌意或警告性的接触)extinction 意思是"一度面临绝种"的意思,那么后半句(a close brush) now with numbers five times greater than的意思就成了"一度曾面临数量是1970年代5倍的局面".-------数量大幅度增长显然是好事,不应该含有敌意或警告的意思,所以一定不能用now with...,而必须另起炉灶,构建完全独立的一套句子结构.    所以A.对.

55555,图片点击可在新窗口打开查看 我在做这题时,根本不知道a brush with的意思,  必定,肯定,一定会追求平行对称, 所以也必定,肯定,一定会错. 只能感叹一句:母语TMD就是有优势呀!图片点击可在新窗口打开查看

现在OG11中的解释说:E. Comma usage introduces a confusing phrase seeming to modify extinction.   新的解释到是让我糊涂了,with...结构什么时候可以修饰前面的宾语了?    不是一向都优先修饰主语么,怎么现在挑错都如此自然,和谐?

这日子没法过了.   S.O.S

图片点击可在新窗口打开查看 


作者: ppjelly    时间: 2008-4-25 00:55
我晕啊,这题我看了OG和大家都解释,还是不明白为什么D\E不对,就让两个with并列有啥不可以呢?句意也没有问题啊。我觉得关键问题是不是,两个with之间应该用and,呵呵。否则这个句子看着怪怪的。还请NN再指教!!感谢。
以下是引用rhod在2004-10-19 20:30:00的发言:
D, E里的with短语, 容易被认为和with extinction并列平行.


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-8-16 07:51

这道题目。。。我对OG10和楼上各位所说的OG11(没在OG11里看到这个题啊,是第几题啊?)关于E选项的解释都不理解。。。

OG10:

Choices D and E wrongly use a phrase introduced by now with to modify The gyrfalcon. In both choices, the phrase confusingly seems to parallel with extinction; a new clause with a present tense verb is needed to state what the gyrfalcon's numbers are now.

如ywgre所说:说是可以构成平行也不太正确吧,不需要and来连接吗,所以关于平行是可以排除的,,不知理解对不对,是不是有now就不需and了

OG11:没在OG11里看到这个题啊,是第几题啊?

dormousedzc所说:with...结构什么时候可以修饰前面的宾语了? 不是一向都优先修饰主语么,怎么现在挑错都如此自然,和谐?

而且我还再加一点点疑问:

OG10里:Choices D and E wrongly use a phrase introduced by now with to modify The gyrfalcon.这句话什么意思啊?now with怎么就不能修饰gyrfalcon了?the gyrfalcon with the numbers这个说法很对啊?

 

不活了。。。


作者: yeehang    时间: 2008-11-7 16:36

句尾with结构,有逗号分隔,应该是独立主格结构,修饰主句谓语动词。但在本题DE选项中,OG认为该结构修饰逗号前面的名词。不论DE中的with结构修饰谁,它都是不对的,如果修饰extinction,它是作定语;如果修饰the gyrfalcon,它是作状语。而在原句中,分号后面是个独立
        
的句子,而不充当任何修饰成分。说到底,在原句意思合理的情况下,随意改变句子重心是不允许的。


作者: mcwEnquxiN    时间: 2008-12-10 01:08
以下是引用yeehang在2008-11-7 16:36:00的发言:

句尾with结构,有逗号分隔,应该是独立主格结构,修饰主句谓语动词。但在本题DE选项中,OG认为该结构修饰逗号前面的名词。不论DE中的with结构修饰谁,它都是不对的,如果修饰extinction,它是作定语;如果修饰the gyrfalcon,它是作状语。而在原句中,分号后面是个独立
  
的句子,而不充当任何修饰成分。说到底,在原句意思合理的情况下,随意改变句子重心是不允许的。

1,"with独立主格是修饰主句谓语动词,作状语;"与 "修饰the gyrfalcon,作状语"有区别吗?

2,如果有,那到底"with独立主格"作状语的时候是修饰什么呀?修饰主句一整句,主句主语,主句谓语?我怎么好象听大家都有说过,还是说要看具体滴逻辑意思来定?

3,还有,独立主格可以作定语修饰名词么?见过with作介词的时候修饰紧跟其前滴名词,是定语,但是with前面米有逗号也,即:...n+with...

不明白的说,请教请教啊

谢谢

 


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