Darden Class 2010 & 2011 taking questions - ChaseDream

Hi Folks,

We are Class 2010 and 2011 students in Darden. We are ready to take questions here though the first year students have not settled down and the second year students are taking their internship. Understanding the first round application is kicking off and some of you guys need more resources, we warmly welcome any questions you wanna ask.

Darden MBA official website: http://www.darden.virginia.edu/html/programs.aspx

Darden Admissions Blog: http://blogs.darden.virginia.edu/admissions/

Best,

Class 2010 & 2011

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NOTE:
鉴于Darden的申请系统正在升级，所以填写资料的时候可能会出现一些问题，我们已经积极和ADCOM在沟通，以下是他们的答复。如果申请的同学们遇到了一些新的问题，麻烦和我们的TECH SUPPORT积极反应，他们的邮件地址是：AdmissionsTechSupport@darden.virginia.edu

“Please assure the applicants that they can receive an extension if they are having trouble with technology. Also, please forward us the names and e-mail addresses of any students that you hear are having trouble so that we can reach out to them.

I just spoke with Tech Support, and they have responded to every request they have received, so if someone’s requests are not getting through, there is an error that we need to know about!”

如果TECHSUPPORT没有及时答复，大家也可以直接联系我们的ADCOM： Katherine Alford. 她具体负责中国招生。

很抱歉系统升级给一些同学带来麻烦，我们会尽力做好沟通的工作，希望不要影响你们的申请。谢谢。

以下是引用leiniao在2009/8/3 21:04:00的发言：

Hi,
Drifty snail,just call me kevin,may i have the honor to
your name? fully understand fisherrui's busy schedule...and many thanks
for your prompt reply,

1)i attended IVEY's case study trial class
and get the impression that case pedegogy is not so applicable and
practical in teaching operation courses, like accounting or
Finance... could you pls share with us some of your own experience?
rumor says chinese guys only sleep 4 hours per day to prepare the tons
of reading materials, is it that difficult to follow? and how is your
class situation? including the number of chinese students admitted last
year...

2) how is the job placement this year? do most of the
chinese students get summer intership? usually in what fileds? last but
not least, any of your retrospection (心得和体会）after being there a while?

many thanks for being the beacon light to our followers,wish i can sail safe to the harbor without meeting shipwreck

Kevin

Question 1:

In
my class, 8 from main land China, and 8? or 9? for year 2009. 4
hours, hehe, could be. But it really depends (on your own). Plus, I
guess the average sleeping hour for a decent US B-Shool student should
be less than 7. As long as you pass GMAT and IBT with "solid" score,
you should be fine. As for the comment on Finance and Accounting, yes,
you are right. Case methord is for sure not the best for this kind of
classes, thus you better have some Finance knowledge. In my class, all
7 people have finance related background.

Question 2:

All class 2009 Chinese students got decent jobs:

2 to Bain, China, consultent, with more than 100K package.

2 to Danaher, GM trainee,with 120K+ package. (first 1-2 years in the US)

1 got several offers (not sure which one she/he took), Nike Corp Finance and a better one. US.

One Amazon Japan, she/he didnot take it.

Other
2, they do have offers, in China, but as long as I know, they are still
hurting for better options. Guess they are trying to stay in the US.

Class 2010 Summer:

1. Amway, Corp Finance, Audit. US.

2. Corp Finance and GM trainee, the biggest seed company in the world, US.

3. Internal Audit, F500 Tech company, US

4. Corp M&A, F500 company, US

5. Corp Finance, planning, J&J, US offer, base in SH.

6. Bank of China International, PE department, Beijing.

7,8: Summer associate, local funds, SH.

(Class 2010 summer, all above are mainland China students.)

Two ABCs:

Citi, IBD, NYC

MMC, Corp Fin, NYC

Hope I answered your questions. Personally, I believe, given the current situation, our job placement is quite good.

By Driftysnail:

Hi Kevin,

I just arrived in Darden for a few days and the new
semester will start from Aug 24. Sorry that I don't have my personal
experience regarding the case method life here. However, it is rumor
that Chinese students just sleep 4 hours each day. Second year student
will give you more insights here. Of course the life in Darden is not
easy and Darden is not for everyone, as my interviewer said. For
example, during the company briefing season, students still need to
complete the 3 case study in the afternoon, whilst there are two
company briefing at the same time.

The job placement is very
good - as compared of most of other top schools from my observation.
All the Chinese students who looked for internship (I heard that one 2y
student didnt look for intern for personal reasons but I dont know
details) successfully got their intern. Based on my understanding,
there are 4 in mainland now and the rest are in the states. For the 4
in mainland China, 2 in PE/VC, 1 in J&J, I am not sure about the
other one. We will try to faciliate the details for both Y1 intern and
Y2 full time job (so far I know 2 in Bain Shanghai) placements and let
you know later.

We have 8 ppl from mainland this year plus a few overseas Chinese students.

Being
here for a while, we are firm it's a definitely fantastic school
derserves each of you talent. Darden is kinda low key in mainland China
and but we see that the Alumni is making something different. The
school has organized several gatherings before we came to US. The
univerisity ( ranked No.1 or No.2 in public schools keeping abreast
with UC-Berkley) is also paying more attention to market herself in
China.

Please give us a sometime as we havent settle down here. Later on we will take more time to answer your questions.

Good Luck.

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Sonia is talking about second year students and I know several sis & bro have around 2-3 years working experience.

Share with you the background for the 1 year students from mainland:

2 from top banks
1 from consulting
2 from sales and marketing
1 from HR service
1 from operation
1 from engineering

the group is very difersified and the average working experience is 5 years this time, for Chinese students.

I anwsered the question in the above entry. There are actually 8 ppl coming from Darden this year and around 4-5 overseas Chinese students from US and Europe. thanks.

Dear all. What do you think is the most important thing of Darden that interested you when you apply? That is to say, what is the most distinguished aspect of Darden from other Top B schools. Thanks.

Tell you what, i also asked this kind of questions to every school that I applied last year. Yet the anwsers I got were not exciting. Eventually I found each school is almost the same at qualifying candidates. The anwser I got from the Dean when he was in Shanghai was that, i mean the quality he emphasized was, "curiosity".

From my personal view, you need to show your real interests in Darden and think about why you fits darden's case method. Darden doesn't care where you are from, but where you are going. The school also doesn't care GMAT score that much as compared of other schools (personal view only).

Many thanks for your very detailed reply, wish i can c u in the campus one day:-)

You are most welcome. We will soon have more classmates here to anwser questions.

1. Small city, you must enjoy quiet country life. I want to escape from big cities, thus I love Darden.

2. Small Chinese/international team, thus you have to "fit in" US student body, wich could be really tough.

The case study method would be more attractive to me. I hope to interact with people as much as possible when I am in US. We maybe speak very fluent English in China but it's still different when you compete native speakers in class. I am now attending some career training course in Darden. I am an extrovert person and did a lot of presentations in my previous work. However, I am still not that confident to speak out in these two days especially when you hear natives speak scary fast and when they talked some jokes that we dont understand. It takes time and Case study will definitely help on this.

Secondly, the people I've met from Darden are very nice. The program is small yet I saw the China Alumni are very cohesive. "People" is also a reason I jsut heard from my classmate sitting next to me why he turned down another offer from a top b school.

However, personally, personally, i dont like small cities.... but Charlottesville is very beautiful.. I met a Chinese supermarket boss here and he told me he's been living in over 20 states in the US and finally he chose Charlottesville as the final stop.

2. Business Development & GM program, the biggest seed company in the world, US.

We do have three more Chinese, who already spend several years in the US. they are neither ABC nor mainland China students.

I just got that information from another second year student who is in that BD and GM program in the Seed company... Moreover I also heard about it from Ed in CDC.

Sure, the one who is doing IBD @ Boston has been in the States for a long time. Guess around 8 years or more. maybe not Chinese passport.

gonna apply Darden this year...。。

Guys, just being curious, I got 2 questions.

1) I will ask recommendation from our managing director who actually holds MBA degree from Darden. Will his recommendation increase my chances of getting admitted?

2) Which round did you guys, as successful applicants apply? Round 1 or 2. I am probably only able to ready my package after deadline of round 1...

2) I was in Round 2. we have 8 people from mainland this year and 3 was admitted in first round, 5 was admitted in second round - This may not be reflective because we don't know how many admits declined Darden in each round. Apart from the 8 mainland students, I know 2 people declined Darden in second round and there is another 1 who will defer her offer to next year.

As compared with other business schools by numbers only, Darden actually recruited more Chinese students than it did last year.

Hi, I am a Darden FY student with working backgrounds in both engineering and management consulting.

I actually discussed about the similar question with my interviewer during the Darden alumni interview last year. We both agreed that building strong and lasting bonds between classmates/alumni is one thing you can expect from Darden.

I am also attracted to Darden's 100% case method, although we FY students haven't started the offical class learning so far. In my opinion, case method will always challenge your comfort zone and push you to reach your limit (especially for international students). That is a very effective way to achieve quality improvement. Also, Darden's intensive learning environment makes the graduates very practical and hard working. Those two characteristics distinguish Darden MBAs from those of many other US B-schools.

Both of my recommenders have no MBA education backgrounds or big titles. I do believe their comments on me and stories raised to support me in the reference letters make more difference.

Can you give me some advice about what programs Darden has, and what is the admission rate. TAX

hi, I am not quite sure what kind of program you want to know. We are talking about Full time MBA program here. Of course Darden also has EMBA and PHD program which you can find in Darden official webiste.

For the admission rate, I personally dont have the exact figure and I don't think the school will officially annouce that figure too.. I believe the admission rate should be close to the rate from other schools ranked after M7.

我刚开始来的那几天电脑没有中文。。嘿嘿，现在没问题。不过还是要习惯英文阅读吧。

请问托福没考到100可以么？再请问8名同学的基本情况，如考试成绩、年龄、性别、工作年限等，能否透露呢？

我的印象里DARDEN对T没有硬性要求，但是你得注意这里是CASE STUDY，口语的能力是很重要的，否则你更本上课抢不过美国人。如果教授问一个不是太难的问题，全班95%的人会举手。。。CLASS PARTICIPATION是很重要的，非常重要。所以我觉得如果你至少在其他方面能消除ADCOM的疑虑，貌似问题不太大 - 这段comments纯粹是我个人的理解。

8名大陆同学（现在我们确定的有3名海外持大陆护照同学，还有几张亚洲面孔不祥），GMAT从690-770不等，有4个超过740，有4不到740.年龄从 26 - 31 不等，工作年龄4-6年不等，4女4男。（不过3个海外中国同学都是女同胞，一个投行，一个四大，一个金融咨询。）

因为想先把recommendation questions编纂一下，一次性寄给推荐人写。

但是在Darden的admission网上和apply system里都没有找到recommendation questions，admission网页上提到有 recommendation form的下载，却没有link，搜索也没有。

所以，很疑惑，能不能那位赐教，如何才能找到recommendation questions /form的信息呢？

其实大多数学校的推荐信大同小异的，类似的topic都cover就好了。上面两家是相对最全的。还不满意请参考HBS。

Applicants are asked to submit two recommendations from people who they believe can speak directly about their aptitudes and capabilities for graduate study and future success as a manager. NOTE: We prefer to receive recommendations in the electronic format provided.

Applicants must register before they can access the on-line recommendations. Step 4 of the application is “Letters of Recommendation.” The applicant is asked to enter the name and e-mail address of his/her recommender, and once the applicant hits “save” an e-mail is immediately sent to the recommender. Applicants do not see the form.

以上是adcom的回复，不好意思我已经不记得去年我申请的时候情况是什么样的了，你可以先注册看看能不能看到那个推荐信的内容。基本上这些学校的都是差不多的，我记得wharton的最全了，还问sense of humor, seriously.

Darden全部是case教学。所以相对于accounting这些课来说（其实包括所有其他的课），我们所有第二天上课用的case都是提前已经自己做好，并且已经和learning team讨论过的。在开学前学校会给没有任何accounting, excel, maths的同学上一个很短的课程。有时候教授会布置提前读某本书，其实读完了自己也都理解了。每个learning team都有accounting或者finance背景的人，所以learning team的作用是很重要的，我们team里有一个做PE之前做IB的，还有一个四大里做M&A的，（本人是sales marketing背景，没他们教我的话我日子不知道是什么样的）。。。Darden的learning team一个礼拜有五天要见面，每天讨论第二天的case，基本上在3个小时左右，每个team基本上有2个国际学生，我们team可以算三个，因为有一个美籍非洲人。team互动是很多的，当然有时候也很challenging，因为总有你听不懂得时候。只能聚精会神的听。

我的教授都非常的厉害，Forbes上一期的排名把darden的faculty排名全美第一（这一期的我不知道情况如何），对于这些排名大家都有不同的欣赏程度，不过至少从一个侧面来说，Faculty很不错，事实也如此。这里的课堂讨论是很活跃的，一部分原因是因为课堂发言占成绩的重要一部分，即使前一天睡的很少，我也从来没打瞌睡过，而且老师会cold call，所以不敢睡啊（但是我每次在大礼堂听讲座都能睡着。）

再补充一点， Darden有Tutoring program，每个礼拜都可以参加二年级同学定期组织的“补课”活动，每门课都有，二年级的同学是很帮忙的。因为Darden比较小，这里的Party有无数。。。所以开学没两个礼拜，基本上大家都脸熟了。

这是应该的。不客气。到了这边以后多多少少会受环境的影响，因为在学校里不管什么时候遇到对面走过来的陌生人，99%都会点头致意，这里的人非常nice。几乎每天班上都有来听课的mba申请人，我很多据了同等水平学校OFFER的美国同学都是到了DARDEN参观或者听课以后才决定要来这里的。Darden是个很低调的学校-我们也一直跟学校提意见要加强marketing的工作-尤其是在中国，应该会有些变化吧。

I've got a very serious problem, that my GPA caculated based on the scores gained within china is 3.7, which didn't included my scores gained in Japan when I was exchanged there for one year.

相信很多选校中或者取舍中的人看了你的帖子会对Darden更加心仪。。我刚考完G，但是申请什么学校还没有决定，想听听你的意见：

1）Darden学费+生活费两年大约花费一共有多少？奖学金数量如何？多少人可以拿到呢？

2）你在另外一篇帖子里提到“DUKE和ROSS都是很好的学校，不过侧重还是比较明显的。”不知道你所指的是不是Darden侧重case study，或者有其他意思？

3）我关注Darden是因为一个美国朋友的推荐，他是一家MNC的CHINA CFO。他对中国人对top 10趋之若鹜很不理解，也觉得意义不大，他觉得我应该去性价比高的学校，比如Darden。我做了5年外资商业银行，MBA毕业后想做general management或者继续finance。你觉得Darden是一个好的选择么？

4）看完你们的帖子我的印象是Darden对于中国人最大的挑战是用全英文参与全案例课程。在以前的培训中我有类似的经历，深知其中的尴尬。我还算国人中口语不错的，但都会觉得常常力不从心。我想问问learning team里的teammate之间合作愉快么？是否竞争激烈?互相帮助多么？当然，这个挑战也是Darden吸引我的原因，因为我相信能survive的人，以后的工作中肯定会得心应手。

我不是打算申请Darden,我在UVa的McIntire读MS, 上课发言占30%, 无数的group project,我经常听不懂美国人在说啥,上课也发不了言,想死的心都有了......我一直很好奇Darden的中国学生是怎么handle的?

我们来之前就知道这里是case method。 McIntire是很不错的本科商学院啊，听说排名全美第一，比我们高多了。我们基本上都在外企工作过5年左右的时间，而且很多都是mgr level的，所以听说会有点基础。我个人也有听不懂的时候，有时候他们会讲一些美国文化的事情和人物，就好像我们在国内说宋丹丹赵本山一样。有的美国人讲话的时候嘴里象含着一口水，需要仔细听。我们很多课发言占40% - 50%，所以不发言是很吃亏。这个也没什么捷径，一定要多说。不要害怕说错，美国人讲的废话的也很多，每次你不想发言的时候就想想，老子也交了一样的学费。。。

Darden Adcom would like to add prospective candidates contacts to the emailing/ mailing database. Please send Message to me or reply here if you want to get the most updated information from the school.

First Name, Last Name, Email address in the message. Your mailing address is also expected but not a must.

Drifty, hi, terry again..I know the question sounds stupid but still wants to ask..(心有不甘..）

...got gmat 700 today...do you think this will jeopardize my chances to get admitted...?

Workong almost 60 hours a week, it is harder than i thought to get a decent score with spare times...sigh...

BTW，i will start preparing my package after national holidays and aim at apply in R2.

Do you think should I emphysize in my essay, such as enterpreur experiences ? What does your adcom want to read,,,?

Darden does not offer any concentrations. We are a general management school; all of our students graduate with an MBA in General Management. Some of our alumni, however, chose to apply their MBAs to careers in the Sustainability and Social Enterprise sectors. For more information on what Darden offers, the student should refer to our website: http://www.darden.virginia.edu/html/standard.aspx?menu_id=634&styleid=2&id=19742 There the applicant will find a link under Academic Areas to “Strategy, Entrepreneurship, and Ethics” and under Resources to Get Involved to “Sustainability and Social Enterprise.”

ESSAY好好写，ADCOM见的ESSAY多了，所以不要只猜他们想看什么，而是写你值得说的事情。

以下是引用lcat1215在2009/9/21 11:57:00的发言：

Hi Driftysnail,

相信很多选校中或者取舍中的人看了你的帖子会对Darden更加心仪。。我刚考完G，但是申请什么学校还没有决定，想听听你的意见：

1）Darden学费+生活费两年大约花费一共有多少？奖学金数量如何？多少人可以拿到呢？

2009年入学的学费是 48500，建议生活费20，000。所以校方建议的一年的学费加生活费是 68500.

奖学金应该是还算大方的，历史上每年都会给2个左右中国学生全奖。今年金融危机了，奖学金数量稍有下降，8个大陆学生里有3个拿了半奖。

2）你在另外一篇帖子里提到“DUKE和ROSS都是很好的学校，不过侧重还是比较明显的。”不知道你所指的是不是Darden侧重case study，或者有其他意思？

Darden是很偏general managment的，不管什么课老师都让我们站在manager的角度想问题。我们的功课相对比较重。我知道DUKE的healthcare很强，其他的了解都是听来的，个人观点就不在这里说了。

如果你想做GENERAL MGMENT和FINANCE,这里无疑是很好的选择！

DARDEN是很多银行的CORE SCHOOL，这点很多人不是很了解。有些非常好的general management program一直在darden招人，有些公司我们都不是很熟悉但是是非常不错的。。

Learning team的作用就是互相帮助，学习上不存在任何竞争。我本人没有FINANCE背景，所以跟TEAM里做IB, PE, M&A的人学很多这方面的知识，他们也基本上不知道什么MARKETING的东西，所以都是互相帮助的。我们每天都必须和Learnign team 见面，基本上三个小时左右讨论。每天8点到下午1点是连上三课，一般1点半会有company briefing + networking, 三点到三点半结束，7点见learning team, 只有3-4个小时看书看三个case，基本上看不完!美国人也看不完！所以只有平时的晚上稍微多看看. BTW，我们每个礼拜上5天的课！这在商学院里也是很少见的。。。

Thanks in advance!

我的选择比较感性，在对学校一无所知的情况下先看校友答疑贴，就这样选中了三个学校，包括Darden。谢谢driftysnail。。

谢谢支持，但是我必须很负责任的说：任何学校都不会适合所有人。这个多半跟性格有关，跟你的职业兴趣有关。如果你把商学院看作人生的一种特殊经历，当然要找到一群你喜欢的人一起度过。可是如果你更重视职业发展，还是要看看学校能不能帮你进入你喜欢的公司和行业。

Darden并不能讨得人人都喜欢的，学校在一个小山村城市，所以喜欢香港的朋友们慎重。还有就是课业负担真的是很重，如果喜欢很轻松的读书，轻松毕业，每天很多时间跟同学玩的话，还是考虑Stanford或者Duke等。另外Darden很美国，很传统，很保守，尽管大家都很Nice，可还是不够"International"的。

2）除了两家学校全是Case以外，每个学校教学大概多多少少都差不多。同学啦，学校生活啦，公司招聘啦，也都大同小异。第二个主要区别其实是招聘。有些学校就是在某些行业强大，这个是多年校友网络的积累，短期内不会改变。比如Ross我就听过一段传闻：学校一直在marketing和GM方面很强，然后某天校长突然发现好多商学院毕业生平均工资高了很多，于是意识到华尔街的崛起。于是校长亲自率队往街上介绍毕业生，把第一批搞定以后才慢慢有街上的Ross校友。（完全完全的传闻啊）

3) Darden的确可以用性能价格比高来形容，而且在美国人心目中，Darden名气还可以的。主要是学校非常低调，所以外国人一般不太认这个牌子。这也是学校的劣势。学校GM和Fin都很强，包括教授和找工作。

4）你说的对，在学校跟外国人用英语激烈辩论2年后，如果你真的全心投入没有混日子的话，你会“上升一个层次”的。这也是为什么在一份毕业10年后的薪资调查中（实在太久以前看的，忘掉了什么地方，google一下试试），Darden的排位相当之靠前。

谢谢Sonia！坦白讲，我并不期望课程非常重，两年的时间全部花在学业上。对我来讲，读MBA的初衷是为了寻求人生的一段特别经历，也算是一个梦想。我相信在TOP20读完两年后，每个人都会改变。但是MBA又是一个非常现实的选择——除了那些家境富裕或者已经有很好积累的人——大部分的人都在计算投入产出比。按照Driftysnail所讲，第一年学费加生活费要将近7美金，估计两年总花费也在80万人民币以上。对于一个奔三的无产阶级的还有负担的女孩子来说，我不得不有所妥协，选择一个过程艰难的但是自己认为长远收获很大的学校，如果被录取的话。我不知道有没有easy and fruitful life，但是我想被老天眷顾的人大概不多。

如果你不介意的话，想顺便在Darden地盘上听听你对选校的看法。我的职业目标是GM或者Finance,Top10本科，外资商业银行5年，GMAT720，TOFEL10月待考，GPA3.3。第一dream school是kellogg，除了Darden还想再选一个学校。我不想申请任何自己觉得有遗憾或者勉强的保底学校，因为成本巨大。我希望拿到的任何一个OFFER，都愿意高高兴兴地去读。

以下是引用lcat1215在2009/9/27 23:14:00的发言：

再次感谢Sonia和Driftysnail!

各个方向都强的学校很多：HBS，Wharton和Tuck，还有Chiago某种程度上也可以算。

GM 和 Finance 这两个方向强的学校不多，除了kellogg和Darden外，可能Yale也是不错的选择。Darden 很有趣的总被人说是性能价格比高的学校，因为的确生活费便宜，这一点连Ross也都比我们高。

不过有一点需要注意的是，往年很Finance的学校，比如哥大，Booth和NYU，今年出奇的很少很少要banker，我猜跟经济状况不无关系。

任何一个top学校都不会让你失望的，不需要把自己的范围限制的太窄。申请过程中有很多很多不确定因素的，有时候只是运气问题，所以希望你多申请几家，以免遗憾。

Kellogg如果喜欢的话，要赶紧提交第一部分约面试，不然面试机会很可能不保。
还有就是Darden回国发展可能相对不如别家名气大，不过我们目前在国内的校友银行圈的也是一大把。

从相对容易录取的角度而言，Chicago不错；从相对投入产出比而言，yale也在逐年提高，但是因为是新贵商学院，没有长期数据。个人印象如果从就业角度去看，沃顿大概是最旱涝保收的吧，华人校友网络的确超级强大，不服不行。

做Finance纽大是真的不错，但中国人要进去就像是抓阄，一点儿谱都没有的。

哥大性能价格比算最低的吧。因为真是很贵，还没有免担保的贷款。

但好像Darden中国学生去IB的很少啊，相比于Chico,Colum的中国学生而言。。。

年景好的时候每年都有直接从国内来的同学去了街上。前几年都有。

去年一个中国人去了Goldman NYC 实习，今年一个去了Citi NYC，一个BOCI BJ (HK Office offer)。都是没有IB背景的。

没有return offer so far。但是也没听到任何国际学生拿到，别的学校也没听说谁拿到了。

Chico我不知道了，但是要说去银行我校不如哥大和NYU这是事实。

如果你要在泛DC区域工作的话，Darden自然是很好的选择啦。但是也取决于你要去什么行业。

本地？如果你说学校所在地的话，这是一个大学城，基本上也没有什么就业机会的。

首先我不觉得Darden对口语分数有硬性要求。而且我也不认为托福口语是一个很好的反应一个人口语能力的测试。同时学校都有面试，你口语如何绝对不是靠一个分数反映出来的。所以单纯从这个分数来看，绝对不能说是一个障碍。更不至于到不被学校考虑。

另外一方面，Darden都是Case，你需要每天和外国人在一起，随时准备跟他们辩论。如果英语不够好，不但是自己很郁闷很抓狂，甚至有可能威胁到学业的顺利完成。

总之：我们绝对有口语在23分的同学。只要你能搞定面试，你来了以后不会被课业负担打败，有拼命学习的精神并乐于这么做，你就可以在Darden读书。我个人不认为口语成绩不好，或者甚至口语不好会导致你来不了。相反，这是你自己要想清楚：面对如此的压力和挑战，我能否战胜自己。

谢谢。darden那两年真的这么累吗？我是想去MBA轻松一下的，同时也想学好英语

。不知道二年级是不是可以选修轻松一些的课。

今年darden的essay，怎么这么怪啊，如果我没受什么影响，是不是写不出来了？