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作者: 八戒 时间: 2004-1-14 23:26
标题: [求助]in order that 和 so that 的区别
请教in order that 和so that的区别.

除了in order that 比 so that 更加formal以外,还有什么其他的区分吗?

谢谢!

作者: woodlion 时间: 2004-1-14 23:29
in order that 可以放在句首，而so that 不可以，

作者: 八戒 时间: 2004-1-14 23:48

以下是引用woodlion在2004-1-14 23:29:00的发言：
in order that 可以放在句首，而so that 不可以，

谢谢woodlion兄.

我还想请教一下:

我找了一下:就发现了两个例子:

1\171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
(A) so as to marry
(B) and so could be married to
(C) to be married to
(D) so that he could marry
(E) in order that he would marry
2\According to the author, which one of the following is required in order that one be a professional?

我想请教一下:
如果在句子中,in order that 和so that 还有什么更具体的区别吗?

OG 对 171 E 的解释没有涉及到两者的区别,只是说了E中的would用得不合理.

是不是这两者的区别,ETS根本就不管呀??

呵........

还请多多指教!

谢谢!

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-1-15 11:00
字典上的解释：so that （1）In order that:（2）With the result or consequence that.

揣摩中：in order that表示“以便于....（目的是。。。）”带有目的性
so that除了表示“以便于。。。（目的是）”还可表示结果（因果关系？）

分析OG171，E选项的in order that似乎不对，似乎表示结果更好一点
第2个例子没有context似乎不能草率判断。

但是我觉得无论两者的区别在什么地方，总之不应该以此为判断选项正确与否的标志

作者: qww 时间: 2004-1-15 12:28

以下是引用woodlion在2004-1-14 23:29:00的发言：
in order that 可以放在句首，而so that 不可以，

以前我也曾经认为so that 不能放在句首，但og 177。so ...that 放在句首。
是否so that 连用不能放在句首.
请教。

作者: 晓晓 时间: 2004-1-15 12:52

以下是引用qww在2004-1-15 12:28:00的发言：

以前我也曾经认为so that 不能放在句首，但og 177。so ...that 放在句首。
是否so that 连用不能放在句首.
请教。

这个是so + 形容词 + that的句型，不同于so that（两个单词不可分开）表示目的，而是表示“那么...以至于...”
eg: He is so naughty that I just can not bear it any more.

作者: rabbitbug 时间: 2004-1-15 14:22
八戒GG的问题可真的问中了要害, 呵呵, 我的一点拙见:
先看OG67
67. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers (provide workers with unpaid leave so as to) care for sick or newbom children.
(A)    provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B)    to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C)    provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D)    to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E)    provide workers with unpaid leave and
解释这么说: in order that they, as used in C, is imprecise and unidiomatic.

再看OG171,
171.  In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled (so as to marry) Anne Boleyn.
(A)    so as to marry
(B)    and so could be married to
(C)    to be married to
(D)    so that he could marry
(E)    in order that he would marry
解释这么说:
Although E uses an appropriate conjunction, in order that, the verb form would marry is unidiomatic and illogical

比较了一下这两个题的解释, 第一个ETS就说in order that不符合用法规范且罗嗦, 而第二个ETS却说in order that用的很对, 问题在他处.

那么, 问题就在于这两个题本身上面, 我发现OG67, 施动者employers, 被动者workers, 而后面的so that从句的主语要求是workers, 这样, 造成in order that不可以, 而只能用so that.
相对的OG171里面, 施动者KIng, 被动者queen, so that的主语he(King), 这时in order that 就可以和so that互换了.
因此, in order that语气比较强, 对应的是施动者, 而so that 就比较灵活, 应用范围也比较广.

这只是我根据OG的解释自己推断的, 大家广泛验证一下, 多多指正!

作者: 晓晓 时间: 2004-1-15 14:41

以下是引用rabbitbug在2004-1-15 14:22:00的发言：
八戒GG的问题可真的问中了要害, 呵呵, 我的一点拙见:
先看OG67
67. Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers (provide workers with unpaid leave so as to) care for sick or newbom children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and
解释这么说: in order that they, as used in C, is imprecise and unidiomatic.

再看OG171,
171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled (so as to marry) Anne Boleyn.
(A) so as to marry
(B) and so could be married to
(C) to be married to
(D) so that he could marry
(E) in order that he would marry
解释这么说:
Although E uses an appropriate conjunction, in order that, the verb form would marry is unidiomatic and illogical

比较了一下这两个题的解释, 第一个ETS就说in order that不符合用法规范且罗嗦, 而第二个ETS却说in order that用的很对, 问题在他处.

那么, 问题就在于这两个题本身上面, 我发现OG67, 施动者employers, 被动者workers, 而后面的so that从句的主语要求是workers, 这样, 造成in order that不可以, 而只能用so that.
相对的OG171里面, 施动者KIng, 被动者queen, so that的主语he(King), 这时in order that 就可以和so that互换了.
因此, in order that语气比较强, 对应的是施动者, 而so that 就比较灵活, 应用范围也比较广.

这只是我根据OG的解释自己推断的, 大家广泛验证一下, 多多指正!

俺凭空感觉好像是这样，听rabbitbug的一番话，才理清思路

举脚同意JJ的分析，果然很有条理，很清晰，受益啊～～～～

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-1-15 15:37

拜服！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

作者: 八戒 时间: 2004-1-15 23:24

多谢!

再顶一下........

作者: turtlechen 时间: 2004-1-16 00:32

以下是引用rabbitbug在2004-1-15 14:22:00的发言：
那么, 问题就在于这两个题本身上面, 我发现OG67, 施动者employers, 被动者workers, 而后面的so that从句的主语要求是workers, 这样, 造成in order that不可以, 而只能用so that.
相对的OG171里面, 施动者KIng, 被动者queen, so that的主语he(King), 这时in order that 就可以和so that互换了.
因此, in order that语气比较强, 对应的是施动者, 而so that 就比较灵活, 应用范围也比较广.

这只是我根据OG的解释自己推断的, 大家广泛验证一下, 多多指正!

我对您的钦佩，诚如滔滔江水，连绵不绝…

我以为in order that 在GMAT中都是错的，
so as to 前后必须相同主词，so that 则不一定。
如今又长了见识，实在感激！

作者: crusaders 时间: 2004-1-16 00:47
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作者: joice 时间: 2004-1-16 01:32

so that, that , for , so > in order that.

作者: bigcamel 时间: 2004-1-16 11:15
我更倾向于DREADPOWER的说法.即IN ORDER THAT表目的, 而SO THAT 既可以表目的, 也可以表结果, 适用范围更大. 在OG67, 171, 应该是表结果更符合句意, 所以用SO THAT.
但实际上这两者的区别并不很大, 所以ETS在IN ODER THAT的选项中还加了别的错误. 我想在SO THAT 和IN ODER THAT 都出现在选项中时, 优选SO THAT, 只有当SO THAT 选项有明显错误时, 再考虑IN ODER THAT

作者: waterrings 时间: 2005-8-11 15:54

但再看OG171,
171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled (so as to marry) Anne Boleyn.
(A) so as to marry
(B) and so could be married to
(C) to be married to
(D) so that he could marry
(E) in order that he would
为什么不能选A呢？既然施动者是King ，和 marry主语逻辑上是一致的

作者: 我爱欧洲 时间: 2005-9-14 09:00

waterrings的问题我也想问。按照rabbitbug的说法，当so that 前后的主语不一致时，只能用so that不能用in order that 或so as to；当主语前后主语一致时，in order that就可以用了。

那如果171的E只是would 有错，为什么A的用法也错呢？

请大家指点。

作者: laure 时间: 2005-10-19 00:12

thanks a lot to all

Not only have you enlightened me on grammer issues, but also drived me to resist inertial of being superficial, hence puttiing an insight into things in and out of GMAT.

作者: deefox2002 时间: 2005-10-25 11:55

以下是引用我爱欧洲在2005-9-14 9:00:00的发言：

那如果171的E只是would 有错，为什么A的用法也错呢？

请大家指点。

同问！

作者: 1focus2pace 时间: 2005-12-12 21:05

rabbitbug

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作者: livary 时间: 2006-6-9 21:20

以下是引用bigcamel在2004-1-16 11:15:00的发言：
我更倾向于DREADPOWER的说法.即IN ORDER THAT表目的, 而SO THAT 既可以表目的, 也可以表结果, 适用范围更大. 在OG67, 171, 应该是表结果更符合句意, 所以用SO THAT.
但实际上这两者的区别并不很大, 所以ETS在IN ODER THAT的选项中还加了别的错误. 我想在SO THAT 和IN ODER THAT 都出现在选项中时, 优选SO THAT, 只有当SO THAT 选项有明显错误时, 再考虑IN ODER THAT

同意这种解释,虽然rabbitbugMM说的有点道理,不过关键还是看其逻辑含义以及适用范围.

作者: hellosuzie 时间: 2008-5-9 17:35

看到前辈们2年多前的讨论，还是忍不住说一下自己看法，希望后来人批判，继续讨论，对bigcamel GG的看法我有赞同有批判：

1. 先说说我依据的语法点（与bigcamel GG依据相同）：

so that既可以引导目的状语从句,也可以引导结果状语从句;
so that"以便，为了"，引导一个表示目的的状语从句，此时可与in order that换用；从句谓语中常用情态动词may / might,can /could,should,would等；主从句间连接紧凑，没有逗号相隔。例：

My old father began to study computer at the age of sixty so that(＝in order that) he might keep up with times.

so that"因此，所以"，引导一个表示结果的状语从句，此时不能与in order that换用；从句中谓语根据需要使用相应的时态，主从句间可有逗号相隔。本文开头所列举例句中的so that就是这种用法。又如：

She had not planned her time well,so that she did not finish her homework on time.

2. 联系OG 67和171（不同意bigcamel GG)：我认为67和171题都表示目的，此时so that和in order that可以换用，但确实ETS为in order that 所在的选项都设置了其他错误，67和171的错误是相同的，就是：从句谓语中常用情态动词may / might,can /could,should,would等，而

OG67

(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they

中没有情态动词，自然与

(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that
they can

相比不是最佳选项；

至于OG171 OG已解释过了would is incorrect, 不如could

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作者: hksdhfweiuwh 时间: 2008-5-10 11:27

以下是引用waterrings在2005-8-11 15:54:00的发言：

so as to 的前面句子需要是简单句，就是SV形式，这样so as to的施动者清晰，反之则不好。171这里前句带了宾语，所以施动者模糊。

作者: songlovegt 时间: 2009-2-10 05:06

兔子MM高啊

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作者: songlovegt 时间: 2009-2-10 05:11

以下是引用rabbitbug在2004-1-15 14:22:00的发言：
in order that语气比较强, 对应的是施动者, 而so that 就比较灵活, 应用范围也比较广.

作者: jenniferzbf 时间: 2009-8-6 23:43
跨了多少个年度的帖子啊。。。感觉语法版的精华怎么都集中在03，04年了呢～咱这些后来者也要加油啊～

作者: Raymond_GMAT 时间: 2009-8-7 01:19

171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
(A) so as to marry
(B) and so could be married to
(C) to be married to
(D) so that he could marry
(E) in order that he would marry
总结一下，so as to的用法和so。。。as to的稍有不同。so...as to严格要求前后逻辑主语一致，而so as to的逻辑主语可以是前面句子的主语或宾语。如本题：In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
King Henry VIII 和 Queen Catherine均有可能作为so as to的主语，但是为了避免歧义并且该题有更好的选项，故弃之。

so that的逻辑主语前后可以不一致，甚至that引导的从句中的主语可以不必在前面句子中出现。

so that可以引导目的状语从句和结果状语从句，in order that只引导目的状语从句（几乎等同于so that引导的目的状语从句，差别在于更加formal）。而本题中的D和E显然都应该是目的状语从句，通常要用虚拟语气。E错在用了would这个词，导致句子看上去不伦不类，难以理解。in order that he would......他将要什么什么很难解释为一种目的。

--后来者，给楼上的MM一点信心

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作者: zowenny 时间: 2010-3-9 12:30
ls正解

作者: zzloveyibo 时间: 2013-3-17 00:59
Raymond_GMAT 是正解，哈哈。

不过补充一点，so x as to y是不存在的形式。
看OG12 SC37的C解析
37. Although schistosomiasis is not often fatal, it is so debilitating that it has become an economic drain on many developing countries.
(A) it is so debilitating that it has become an economic
(B) it is of such debilitation, it has become an economical
(C) so debilitating is it as to become an economic
(D) such is its debilitation, it becomes an economical
(E) there is so much debilitation that it has become an economical

GMAC解析：C The construction so x as to y is not a correct
idiom.

作者: 飞翔de小猪 时间: 2014-9-3 15:55

rabbitbug 发表于 2004-1-15 14:22
八戒GG的问题可真的问中了要害, 呵呵, 我的一点拙见:先看OG6767. Congress is debating a bill requiring c ...

i think so!

作者: wangwanwang 时间: 2014-10-1 18:01

zowenny 发表于 2010-3-9 12:30
ls正解

这个解释不对，so。。。as to是有被当为正确答案的

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