I have been warning guys still in China about Ivey for quite a while, and then some Ivey Chinese students are getting really really upset. However, here is the real data that as far as I know, and based on that you can judge by yourself.
For the graduated students, about 50-60 are Chinese, they graduated in April. Till then, about 10 got job offers, including offers from Canada and from China.
For the 1st year summer intern, among total 170 students, about 15% got intern positions. For Chinese, things are much worse. As fas as I know, only a few (less than 5 among 70 Chinese students) got summer intern. In addition, as far as I know, 2-3 got the summer intern by their personal connections.
So what is the excitement of case study, class contribution, and all those fancy stuff? Data tells everything, and if you would consider applying to Ivey, think again!
Hi Sean,
What's the news about yourself, it's already been half way? How is your intern going?
No offensive! Just wanted to know whether you know the reason causing the current job replacement situation at Ivey. Things sound a little opposite from what I've heard from the 2006 graduates.
Anyway. do you know the replacement situation in other Canadian business schools, espeically for their Chinese students as well? The same question for the summer intern situation. It's too bad to know that, however, the last summer intern situation wasn't seemed too bad for the Chinese students.
Thanks.
my concerns.I am applying for the session of 10,2006 .
OMG.
I did not find an intern. The reasons are: first, my background are international trading(import, export) and IT. In Canada, international trading is not a career path at all, and for the IT part, almost none IT companies recruited intern from Ivey this year. The majority of intern positions at Ivey this year are finance, consulting and a few marketing jobs, plus many non profit which I do not even consider as qualified intern positions for MBA students. Oh, the other reason might be marks, since Ivey's system, very very few chinese students can get good marks (class participation is worth at least 40-50%, and I might argue that this portion is kind of biased). Many say that marks are not important, but I think it is, especially as a student, a Chinese student. If you cannot get better marks than local students, what else do you have? For 2006 graduate, native students are doing much better, as far as I heard, many of them got job offers. But for Chinese students, things are different. And that again proves that marks are important. Because in Ivey, Chinese students are at the bottom marks. Of course, language would be another problem, if you get the interview opportunities. But if your marks are not good enough, you probably cannot even get interviews. Think as the employers going to the campus, well the background, most of the students are similar or at the same level, (if you really have solid, outstanding background, you might not go back to school, or you might go to top ones), then marks become an important judgement, since that reflects the level you are when you compete with other students in the same school at the same time.
"my background are international trading(import, export) and IT. In Canada, international trading is not a career path at all"
You might want to think it bigger. "international trading(import, export)" could fall into the part of Supply Chain field. You could broaden your own trading experience and transfer it to the needs of some Canadian companies that outsource. Of course, if that's what you are interested in and your long term goal. If your family is not your concern, you may want to try some US opportunities.(You might want to contact some of your previous Chinese alumni to see who is in this field.)
Hope this helps, or your have figured out what you are going to do. Good luck!
My dear friend
Thanks for your advice. But only think bigger is not enough. Yes there were examples that guys with international trade background moved to supply chain, but that was not so easy. First, supply chain in Canada is not that attractive, and if you would like to move back to China, then you have to have experience + PMAC. Well, the PMAC certificate was not that easy to get...I mean not the exams, but the time and cost. It would easily cost you 20k to get the certificate, and would take a couple years.
In addition, going to the states is not that interesting too. You see, unless you are from Top 10, otherwise, it would be difficult to switch careers. And if I could not switch careers, going to the states would be pretty much the same. Yes there might be more opportunities, but there would be much more competitors --- think about the total MBA graduate in USA every year. And since Ivey is now a second class, why would employers in USA recruit students from Canada?
To me, I think the only way is to go back to China. Actually I think that would provide me the best opportunity in the long run. However, things changed. Now going back is not easy. Guess all guys studying MBA abroad would love to go back with a global pay offer. Actually I guess that most of the guys from Top 10 would go that path. So for us from second class schools, chances are slim. Sure there are still some positions paying 200k-300k RMB per year, but how could you justify the ROI based on that salary?
Anyway, I made my decision, although I made the decision without full information, thanks to many guys posting fancy stuff about Ivey. But I will find a way out for sure, because down the road, it is your heart that really matters.
success depends on more person than education, a same back ground can surely bring different ends
so come on guys, stop whining and make it happen
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