lease also keep me posted on the final outcome. I am a first year Ph. D. student at a top 10 management/OB program. I would like to take questions from those of you who are planning on applying to OB/management related Ph. D. programs in the near future. However, I am also swamped with my own studies and other personal issues, and may NOT be able to answer some very basic and general questions. Please read the following instructions before you raise any questions.
1) There is a similar forum created by a 4th year Ph. D. student on businessweek website (He will graduate this year). The Link for that forum is http://forums.businessweek.com/bw-bschools/messages/?msg=37185. This forum is very helpful and I also personally benefited a lot from reading through that forum for my own application. I strongly encourage you to at least make some sincere effort to read through that thread before asking me any personal questions. If you have any SPCIFIC question unanswered after you read or at least skim that thread, please let me know. And i will try to give you some personal suggestions.
2) I am NOT taking questions like "How could I get into industry by getting a Ph. D. in management?" "How could I transfer to a MBA/ Masters program after being admitted into a Ph. D. program?" If you are not seriously considering a future career in academia, please neglect this thread. Going to industry is normally regarded as a great loss for most ph. D. programs no matter how much you can earn from industry.
3) For general questions like when you should apply, working experiences, etc, I believe you should also be able to get appropriate answers from reading the forum I mentioned above or getting answers from other resources. I expect you at least have a basic idea about the application processes in most business schools before you raise your personal questions.
4) I am NOT gonna reveal my personal information. Please do NOT ask me anything about my school, stats, etc unless I offer to compare your situation with mine when answering your questions.
5) The primary purpose of this thread is to help those of you who may need some suggestions for your applications. I am only a first year student, not a consultant or expert in guiding your applications. Please keep in mind that my information and suggestions are NOT absolutely right. What I am going to tell you only represents my personal opinion. You should try to get as much information as possible rather than only relying on my information. Any helpful comments and suggestions from current Ph. D. students or Ph. D. applicants are also highly welcome.
6) Considering my own workload, I may not be able to answer your questions very promptly. But I will try my best.
7) Finally, there may be many uncertainties in your application processes. Please do NOT put all eggs into one basket. I wish you the best of luck for your future applications.
I've been following the same forum listed above for over two years. You can find almost everything you neet to know about the application process to a biz PhD, but you need the patience to read through its nealy 5000 threads. Am thinking about compose a summary when I'm free in August.
Anyway, nice try!
Thank you so much. Americanexpress1.
I am also very interested to further my study in management.
(OB or Strategy)
I will keep looking this thread.
Best wishes to your study!
1) Thanks for your suggestion. But every Ph. D. needs to focus on his/her studies. We always keep this in mind.
2) The major purpose of this thread is to provide helpful information for those who already have a basic idea of Ph. D. in management/OB; but may still need further elaboration on how to improve their applications. That's the reason why there are so many what you called "Do NOT"s.
3) This thread is got nothing to do with showing off. You are very welcome to offer your help here. I think at least some applicants would appreciate that. If you do not like the work I did here, I will appreciate your doing something to improve it. But I do NOT think creating this thread would be in conflict with your interests!
I've been following the same forum listed above for over two years. You can find almost everything you neet to know about the application process to a biz PhD, but you need the patience to read through its nealy 5000 threads. Am thinking about compose a summary when I'm free in August.
Anyway, nice try!
Rongdongc,
That's a great idea!! I hope more of us will be able to creat a similar thread for Chinese students.
Thank you Americanexpress1 for willing to offer your insight for us.
I applied to several doctoral programs in OB/Management this year, but I guess I adopted the wrong strategy-- most of them are UC schools. Due to the financial problems at UC system, I think my chance to get admission this year is very slim. Therefore, I am considering to apply some second or third tier schools with late deadlines, and transfer to some other schools with better reputation after one year.
How do you think of this idea? I am not sure if decent schools would like to consider students transferred from other PhD programs. CDers seem to have different opinions about this.
My brief background: B.B.A. (in international business) and M.A.(in journalism) from the best unvi. in Taiwan; M.A. in social sciences from a U.S. shcool; under GPA:3.5; Graduate GPAs: both above 3.9; GMAT 750; 6 yrs working experience as an economic journalist; some minor research and teaching experiences.
Thanks again!
Hi, Jadelo,
Have you heard from all the schools you applied to? I mean some schools may still be in the process of their admissions, even some top programs. For example, as far as I know, NYU has not finalized their decisions yet. I do not know whether Berkeley and UCLA have made their final decisions for their
At the first glance, I thought the major thing you may need to work on a bit was your research background. Your other stats look great. But you said you only had minor research experience. I do not know if you got recommendations from the faculty with whom you are doing/have done research. If not, this could be a setback.
You said you are considering applying to second level schools. You meant you wanted to apply for fall 06 admission? If so, I do NOT suggest you to do that. You definitely have time to improve your credentials from now till the end of this year. For instance, doing RA work for well respected professors and getting their letters. If you already got into some not so good programs, however, what you said could be a way to improve your application as well. But there is a tradeoff. As you said, not all schools welcome transfer students. Based on what I heard, what Chinese students normally did was to earn an MS degree from their Ph. D. program and reapply as a Masters graduate rather than a transfer Ph. D. In that way, some of them did get into some very good programs. But in your case, you already got two masters degrees. Getting another one seems to be redundant. To the best of my knowledge, some schools do consider transfer Ph. Ds. Kellogg, Stanford and Wharton are among them because I know that a couple of transfer students got into their ph. D. programs (not necessarily in OB/management) over the past years. However, those cases do not represent the mainstream. Also, if you only stay with a program for one year, it means you only have a semester to prepare your application. I do not know whether you have enough time to impress your professors and get strong letters from them within such a short period of time. In this sense, one more year seems to be a safer bet.
Your case sounds quite complicated to me. If possible, please share with me more information about what you had in mind. I hope I can give you more suggestions. Good luck!
以下是引用jadelo在2005-3-19 5:54:00的发言：
Thank you Americanexpress1 for willing to offer your insight for us.
I applied to several doctoral programs in OB/Management this year, but I guess I adopted the wrong strategy-- most of them are UC schools. Due to the financial problems at UC system, I think my chance to get admission this year is very slim. Therefore, I am considering to apply some second or third tier schools with late deadlines, and transfer to some other schools with better reputation after one year.
How do you think of this idea? I am not sure if decent schools would like to consider students transferred from other PhD programs. CDers seem to have different opinions about this.
My brief background: B.B.A. (in international business) and M.A.(in journalism) from the best unvi. in Taiwan; M.A. in social sciences from a U.S. shcool; under GPA:3.5; Graduate GPAs: both above 3.9; GMAT 750; 6 yrs working experience as an economic journalist; some minor research and teaching experiences.
Thanks again!
the
Hi Americanexpress1, thank you very, very much for valuable input. Indeed I am still waiting for some other schools I applied in the first round—USC, NYU and UCB. But since NYU is so competitive, and UCB has the same financial problems with other UC schools, I don’t bear too much hope for them.
Therefore, I began to think about applying some second-tier schools (ranked 40-100) for Fall 2005 admission. I tried to contact some professors at those schools, and have got some positive response so far. But here is my major concern: is it wise to study at a so-so school for one or two years, anticipating that I could transfer to some other school? You already answered part of my question; many thanks for that.
Speaking of the research experience, last year I adapted my master thesis into a shorter paper and it has been accepted by a core paper (in journalism and mass communication field) in
As for the recommendation letters, I believe they are good, though I never have the chance to take a look at them. Two are from American professors (I got A and A+ in their classes), and one is from a professor in
As you said, I also believe that having some RA experience would be very helpful. But since I am in the
Thanks again for your time and your advice; I really appreciate it.
Hi, Jadelo,
Although it is already a bit late, I definitely hope you could still get into one of the schools you applied to. First, try to contact some of your remaining schools to see what's going on with their review processes.
If things do not work out so nicely and you have to go to a backup school, look at their faculty first and make sure that they have at least a couple of well known names. Working with them and getting their letters are likely to help your future application.
Although your paper is in another field, it could still demonstrate your research potential. I hope that you already provided convincing reasons why you wanted to study
I did not mean that you need to find a research-related job to get more research experience. You can just come to some professors, telling them that you are interested in their research and would like to work with them. Some professors may just accept you after you meet up with them. Please keep in mind when you apply to top OB/management programs, some of your strongest competitors are from American students who have perfect GPAs and have worked with famous professors in the field. They can get strong letters in this way. This could be their largest advantage. I know you need to maintain your status here after your graduation. If you do not continue your study, you would need to apply for OPT. This could be a problem. I do not know whether deferring your graduation to Dec would be another option if you do not choose to go to a backup school.
Finally, many schools require three letters. Since you already got your degree here, I recommend you at least get three letters from American professors. I understand your former professor in
Please feel free to let me know if there are any additional questions or concerns. I wish you the best of luck for your application. lease also keep me posted on the final outcome.
以下是引用jadelo在2005-3-19 10:03:00的发言：
Hi Americanexpress1, thank you very, very much for valuable input. Indeed I am still waiting for some other schools I applied in the first round—USC, NYU and UCB. But since NYU is so competitive, and UCB has the same financial problems with other UC schools, I don’t bear too much hope for them.
Therefore, I began to think about applying some second-tier schools (ranked 40-100) for Fall 2005 admission. I tried to contact some professors at those schools, and have got some positive response so far. But here is my major concern: is it wise to study at a so-so school for one or two years, anticipating that I could transfer to some other school? You already answered part of my question; many thanks for that.
Speaking of the research experience, last year I adapted my master thesis into a shorter paper and it has been accepted by a core paper (in journalism and mass communication field) in
As for the recommendation letters, I believe they are good, though I never have the chance to take a look at them. Two are from American professors (I got A and A+ in their classes), and one is from a professor in
As you said, I also believe that having some RA experience would be very helpful. But since I am in the
Thanks again for your time and your advice; I really appreciate it.
Thank you so much, Americanexpress1. I am so moved by your sincere willingness to help.
Also, your pertinent advice is very valuable to me. I will take it to heart.
Hi, Jadelo,
You are very welcome. If i can be of any further assistance, feel free to let me know. Good luck with your application.
Thank you so much, Americanexpress1. I am so moved by your sincere willingness to help.
Also, your pertinent advice is very valuable to me. I will take it to heart.
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