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作者: Jessica1989911 时间: 2015-3-23 16:37
标题: 你肯定无法想象这些背景优秀的大牛照样被HBS无情拒掉！！
At the most elite levels, admissions can be remarkablycruel and impersonal process. The talent pool for any top MBA program is sodeep and rich in outstanding candidates who at first glance seem like shoo-in.Yet, they get unceremoniously dinged, often without an admissions interview.

They come from Ivy League schools, boast near 4.0 gradepoint averages and GMATs that are in the top 5% of all test takers. They workfor gold-plated firms and have stellar extracurriculars demonstrating clearleadership potential.

Their carefully crafted applications are submitted. Theyget the typical auto-response thanking them for their interest in a school.They anxiously wait months for an answer. And then, in a brief, punishingemail, they are, in the euphemistic words of Harvard Business School’sadmissions director, “released.”

THE RAWSTATS AND PROFILES ARE SIMPLY REMARKABLE

Consider this 22-year-old young professional who was a2+2 applicant to HBS and just received his round two rejection. He is currentlyenrolled at Brown University where he majors in economics and politicalscience. He has a 3.96 GPA and a 760 GMAT score, which puts him in the 99thpercentile of test takers. He has interned during the summer at Goldman Sachs,working in both investment banking and debt capital markets. At Brown, hefounded a finance journal that now boasts more than 150 members. Hisrecommendation letters were written by a Goldman Sachs managing director and aBrown administrator who has worked with the candidate in student government.

Or how about this 28-yer-old Japanese American applicantwho went to a Southern Ivy (think Duke or Emory), scored a 760 on the GMAT, andoffset his 3.1 GPA with a 4.0 alternative transcript in five courses. For thepast four and one-half years, he has worked at a boutique economic consulting firm.He runs a Tsunami relief effort in Japan annually, and his essay focused on howentrepreneurship in Japan can bring great societal value to the country. Hisrecommendations were penned by a Harvard Business School professor and apartner at his firm who is an HBS alum.

Or consider a completely puzzled Teach for America alumwho scored 780 on the GMAT and has a 4.03 GPA from a top 20 university in ahighly demanding major–engineering. He plays a leadership role at his localchurch, devoting five to eight hours a week in volunteer work there. In hisHarvard admissions essay, he wrote about why he is so deeply passionate abouteducation and yearns to dedicate his professional life to erasing educationalinequality.

THE MEDIANGMAT SCORE FOR THESE DINGS WAS 750!

All three and more were turned down by Harvard BusinessSchool in its second round decisions that went out Feb. 4. They are allexceptional candidates, yet what they share in common is an HBS rejection.There may be some consolation in the fact that these round two applicants–andmany others you’ll read about here–are among thousands of people who weredinged by HBS this month.

Infact, some had GMAT scores as high as 780. Or GPAs as high as 4.0 from the verybest Ivy League schools. They work for Fortune 100 companies and major globalconsulting firms, investment banks, and startups (see below our table ofapplicants who were dinged by Harvard. We’re talking Goldman Sachs, Google,Procter & Gamble, and McKinsey, Bain or BCG. They generously shared theirraw stats and profiles with Poets&Quants inthe hopes of gaining some insight into why they didn’t make the cut.

Among the 32 dinged candidates who provided stats, themedian GMAT was an astonishing 750. It goes to show that high scores are noassurance of an admit at Harvard Business School.

WHYCOULDN’T THESE EXTRAORDINARY CANDIDATES GET INTO HARVARD BUSINESS SCHOOL?

For some candidates, it might be easy to isolate a factoror two that led to the ding. But for many of them, it’s very much a mystery–particularlywithout the ability to see the entire application submitted to HBS. Their briefprofiles and stats, however, demonstrate how random success can be when theapplicant pool is filled with so many exceptional candidates.

So how come these truly extraordinary applicants couldn’t get in?

Weasked Sandy Kreisberg, whomore typically does our MBA handicapping column, to take a look at thebackgrounds and stories of these candidates and tell them why they failed toget into Harvard.

Of course, it’s no small hurdle to get into HBS. Theaverage GMAT score for the latest class enrolled at HBS is 727, while theundergraduate grade point average is in nose bleed territory as well: 3.67. HBSrejects 88% of the people who apply to its full-time MBA program, and that’sfrom a pool where there is a lot of self-selection going on. Most applicantswho simply don’t have the basic stats won’t even bother to apply. And for therecord, some of these dings even stumped Kreisberg.

These Harvard MBA Applicants Were Dinged In Round Two

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简单分析几种典型背景申请人被拒的原因：

1.Mr. 2+2 Childhood Dream

·740 GMAT

·3.21 GPA

·Undergraduate degree inbiotechnology from IIT Guwahati

·Work experience includes atwo-month internship at Futures First, a multinational finance firm, developingalgorithmic trading strategies despite no prior background in finance; twomonths at Phoenix Comtrade, a multinational agri-commodity firm, devising marketingstrategies for a new rice brand

·Extracurricular involvement as aconvener of the annual cultural festival in college, the third largest inIndia, leading a team of more than 250 students; member of the entrepreneurialdevelopment cell; also did a startup in college that broke even in a fewmonths; a debater who has won parliamentary debates; also play tennis and drums

·Post-career MBA goal: To developa startup ecosystem in India “as I strongly believe that entrepreneurs are keyto development”

·“Getting into Harvard has been mychildhood dream and thus applied to just HBS”

·22-year-old Indian male

Sandy’sAnalysis: Well, your dreams may stillcome true about HBS admission, but as noted, 2+2 is hard and lottery like,possibly more so for Internationals. Your financial engineering, trading,algorithm- creating internships did not help because trading and algorithmmaking are not favored jobs at HBS. No doubt, you could find some dudes therewith that background, but they are not favored. That is more so for 2+2.

Your goals and internships did not align. You have OK butmarquee extracurriculars and a STAND OUT focused leadership story. Goals aresorta OK, but anyone could have patched in those same goals to their story. Youdid not come by those goals via experience. All of that, on top of 2+2 is hardand equals a ding because there is nothing really compelling that is drivingyou in.

2.Mr. 2+2 Brown University

§760GMAT (47%V/48%Q)

§3.96GPA

§Seniorat Brown University majoring in Economics and Political Science

§Internedat Goldman Sachs, investment banking, debt capital markets.

§Recommendationwas from my summer MD and a Brown administrator who I had worked with becauseof student government.

§Wroteessay on my founding of a finance journal at Brown that now has over 150members. My recommender also talked about this accomplishment in his letter.

§2+2applicant white male

Sandy’sAnalysis: Dunno, dude. This is solid all around. Theyprobably just got tired of ultra high-performing finance types by the time theygot to you, assuming execution was serviceable. It’s not a big issue, butprofiles like this in 2+2 should apply ASAP, not Round 2. Still, the realreason is either bad luck, bad execution, or what Dee ate for lunch beforelooking at your application. Your essay topic is impressive but if it turnedinto a brag sheet or was odd, that could be an issue, too. But again, this is areal head scratcher. You still have a shot, though. Peeps like you get admittedas regular applicants in two to four years.

3.Mr. Non-IIT Analytics

§740GMAT

§3.2GPA

§Undergraduatedegree in engineering from a non-IIT but top ten engineering school in India

§Workexperience includes two years at ZS Associates, a niche analytics firm; thenleft the company for a nine-month stint at a startup that failed; and two yearsat another analytics firm (not very well known) where I work with senior vicepresidents of a Fortune 500 firm. Have worked with clients across eightcountries on a change management project involving about 1,000 employees.

§Alsoco-founded a mobile app company with a user base of 25,000 and a turnover of$75,000 in the social welfare and mobile governance space

§Extracurricularinvolvement in Indian traditions such as yoga, vedas, ayurveda (Think SteveJobs in his earlier life), avid reader of business books, marathon runner,organized fests in college and have done extensive social work, includingteaching under privileged children, giving presentations to college juniors onhow to land a job

§Goal:To create a firm and run it back in India, this time better prepared with arelevant skillset

§Otherfactors: No promotions, low GPA, and in the “non-IIT wannabe lot”

§Alsodinged by Stanford

§MaleIndian

Sandy’sAnalysis: You’ve had too many second-tier jobs, a low GPAfrom a non-elite school, and as for entrepreneurship experience, your ace inthe hole, the ONLY thing that schools like Harvard and Stanford respect in thatregard are:

1.Venture capital-backed companies and some proof that a third party thinks youare ok.

2. Sale of your company for big money (sorta same as 1 able), or in rare cases,HUGE numbers of users, revenue, and press coverage.

Otherthan that, all startups are hobbies in the mind of Harvard and Stanford adcoms.

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作者: linming 时间: 2015-3-23 21:56
这有什么奇怪的？，呵呵
你看下排名30名以后的MBA项目，照样拒很多牛人。
我认识不止20个申请人，被emory和olin拒，被m7录取，
有两个是被hbs录取，被carlson和rice拒了。
这么说吧，MBA，除了斯坦福录取率7%的确有点低以外，从录取率上来说，MBA是最容易录取的项目（大部分m7 MBA录取率都是20%左右）。
一个GMAT760的人，不管你什么工作经验，只要你把s16都申请了（注意我说的是16所全都申请），一所不录的几率几乎无限接近于零。再次强调，16所都申请

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作者: Jessica1989911 时间: 2015-3-24 10:13

hawk！！！发表于 2015-3-23 16:50
看一下.... 好像都很厉害的样子ORZ

对啊，都是有为青年，但申请都没做好

作者: Jessica1989911 时间: 2015-3-24 10:16

areslwh 发表于 2015-3-24 04:12
这正是所谓任何顶尖的成就，实力和运气都缺一不可吧

同意！

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