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标题: 颠覆了我的三观啊！What主语从句谓语动词是单数还是复数的问题！ [打印本页]
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-15 21:19
标题: 颠覆了我的三观啊！What主语从句谓语动词是单数还是复数的问题！
prep08语法笔记上写的what在从句中做宾语，主句谓语由主句表语/宾语决定what they want areXX,XX&XX。
2) What his father left him are a fewEnglish books.
但是manhattan论坛上Ron的原话，地址：http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/painted-caves-at-lascaux-and-altamira-t7994-15.html?sid=70ab4f442edc4e2247f48e64bce7bcd0
1) But don't we say: what his father gave him are a few books. ?——引用别人的问题
下面是Ron的回答：
no, you would still write "is", because the subject of the verb is still what his father gave him, not a few books.
similarly:
Performed last weekend were three plays. (correct)
*Performed last weekend was three plays. (incorrect)
Sophocles's Oedipus cycle is three plays. (correct)
*Sophocles's Oedipus cycle are three plays. (incorrect)
if you find the subject in each of these, they should all make sense pretty quickly.
by the way, the likelihood that the modern gmat will test this sort of thing is pretty close to nil.
到底应该怎么认识啊,来几个人看一下啊
再加题目一道啊，这是正确的句子。
The period when the great painted caves at Lascaux and Altamira were occupied by Upper Paleolithic peoples has been established by carbon dating, but what is much more difficult to determine is the use to which primitive peoples put the caves, the reason for their decoration, and the meaning of the magnificently depicted animals.
前面what is much more difficult to determine这个是主语吗？后面这个is谓语是根据前面这个判断的吗？依据是啥？另外第二个is后面the use，the reason ,and the meaning这个不是一个复合词组吗，它作的是宾语？
再看前面这个what is much more difficult to determine，这里面的is又是根据啥判断的？
我一下子对what从句的概念也模糊了，有人指点迷津么
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-15 21:25
木人！！！！
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-15 21:31
渣渣的帖子无人问津吗
作者: 旺财财 时间: 2014-9-15 23:10
Satanilles 发表于 2014-9-15 21:31 
渣渣的帖子无人问津吗
按RON理解的来呀，人家毕竟是native instructor~~~
作者: bryant92 时间: 2014-9-16 00:13
说白了就是主语明确或主系表结构完整的时候，就是以主语决定谓语单复数就好了。
what的从句不是定语从句，不要拿定语从句的思维来想
主语和表语的单复数不一样很正常，例子很多，根据主语确定谓语就可以了啊
作者: ZZP无敌 时间: 2014-9-16 08:26
我认为楼上说得对，其实就是主语决定谓语单复数，除了倒装的情况，比如Ron举的Performed last weekend were three plays。what从句是名词性从句，可以做主语，所以不是倒装，谓语用单数
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-16 08:51
bryant92 发表于 2014-9-16 00:13
说白了就是主语明确或主系表结构完整的时候，就是以主语决定谓语单复数就好了。
what的从句不是定语从句， ...
谢谢回答，但是我还是没怎么理解？可否说的再简单一点？
另外这句话到底是用is还是are呢？中国的语法书貌似都是are，理由是后面跟的是a few English Books,
What his father left him are a few English books.
但是Ron又说是is，那再碰到同样的，判断is还是are的规则是啥啊。
如果是根据主语确定谓语，那么这个句子的主语是what his father left him ?这是一个什么结构啊，问题比较大还望解答！谢谢
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-16 08:53
ZZP无敌 发表于 2014-9-16 08:26
我认为楼上说得对，其实就是主语决定谓语单复数，除了倒装的情况，比如Ron举的Performed last weekend were ...
但是这个
prep08语法笔记上写的
what在从句中做宾语，主句谓语由主句表语/宾语决定what they want areXX,XX&XX。
2) What his father left him are a few English books.
what好像做的确实是宾语啊，应该怎么分析呢？
作者: ZZP无敌 时间: 2014-9-16 09:04
Satanilles 发表于 2014-9-16 08:53
但是这个
prep08语法笔记上写的
what在从句中做宾语，主句谓语由主句表语/宾语决定what they want areXX, ...
嗯，这个问题看来的确有点矛盾，我也记得看过类似楼主刚说的解释，楼主的困惑我理解，其实我觉得OG，prep MGMAT等等，肯定有些地方各个解释还是有差异的，针对这样的问题如果OG上有类似的体来解释是最好的咯，或者你可以给出prep上面的原题，我们一起分析看看这是不是主要考点等等。不过Ron说这个不会太考，一时弄不出答案可以先记在本子上，去先把更有可能考的问题全都弄会了也许可以更好地利用时间~
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-16 09:19
ZZP无敌 发表于 2014-9-16 09:04
嗯，这个问题看来的确有点矛盾，我也记得看过类似楼主刚说的解释，楼主的困惑我理解，其实我觉得OG，prep ...
谢谢回答。这个句子就是Prep里面原题的
The period when the great painted caves at Lascaux and Altamira were occupied by Upper Paleolithic peoples has been established by carbon dating, but what is much more difficult to determine are the use to which primitive peoples put the caves, the reason for their decoration, and the meaning of the magnificently depicted animals.
A. has been established by carbon dating, but what ismuch more difficult to determine are
B. have been established by carbon dating, but what ismuch more difficult to determine are
C. have been established by carbon dating, but thatwhich is much more difficult to determine is
D. has been establishedby carbon dating, but what ismuch more difficult to determine is (D)
E. are established by carbon dating, but that which ismuch more difficult to determine is
然后08prep下面总结的(1)What在从句中做主语，主句谓语由what从句的谓语决定。
1) What is difficult tounderstand is A.；What are difficult to understand are A and B.
是不是两种情况都可以。but what is much more difficult to determine is the use...,the reason...,and the meaning.../but what are much more difficult to determine are the use...,the reason..and the meaning ...
再从cd其他帖子找到：
“记得这个问题以前讨论过，有个上新东方的朋友说新东方老师是这么说的：主语从句中谓语动词是单数的话，后面的主句谓语就用单数 what brings us good luck is dogs.
主语从句中谓语动词是复数的话，后面的主句谓语就用复数 what bring us good luck are dogs.”
一早上就回我帖，实在是太感谢了！
作者: ZZP无敌 时间: 2014-9-16 09:31
Satanilles 发表于 2014-9-16 09:19
谢谢回答。这个句子就是Prep里面原题的
The period when the great painted caves at Lascaux and Altami ...
嗯嗯，跟大家一起讨论其实进步会很快，因为思路讲出来自己理解与记忆会变得更透彻~
.看来这道考点的确实在what引导的的主语从句，OG暂时没有类似官方答案，这就看选择相信谁了。Prep08是论坛前辈编写出来的，Ron毕竟是native speaker并且是专家，但是选谁看楼主喜好咯~~
作者: bryant92 时间: 2014-9-16 11:01
只能说错误的选项错误肯定不止一个，不要让这个exception扰乱了做题的思维，反正我们也不管是怎么用的做出来GMAC的答案就得了。
what is much more difficult to determine are/is，这个题主语是what is much more difficult to determine, GMAC告诉你了主语是单数；你如果非要问主语是复数可以吗？那我觉得也可以，无非一个是问这句话的时候大家都清楚有太多难以determine的事情...
综上所述，不太可能考你说的那两个选项的方式，因为真的都可以...要相信GMAC不会搞这么vague的选项
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-16 11:02
bryant92 发表于 2014-9-16 11:01
只能说错误的选项错误肯定不止一个，不要让这个exception扰乱了做题的思维，反正我们也不管是怎么用的做出 ...
恩 我明白辣~！谢谢
作者: ZZP无敌 时间: 2014-9-21 14:22
新看到，曼哈顿最新版的主谓一致那章强调，从句always是单数，不跟后面的走哦，楼主加油~~
作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-9-21 14:34
ZZP无敌 发表于 2014-9-21 14:22
新看到，曼哈顿最新版的主谓一致那章强调，从句always是单数，不跟后面的走哦，楼主加油~~ ...
恩~！谢谢
作者: seekyoucecily 时间: 2016-9-4 20:34
还有人吗？？这个问题我也遇到了，还是不太理解……
Ron的观点：https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/painted-caves-at-lascaux-and-altamira-t7994-30.html
what his father gave him IS a few books
You shouldn't see anything starting with "what are...", unless it's a question. GMAT SC sentences are never questions, so the whole thing is a non-issue. (I.e., you'll never actually face this kind of thing as a decision point between answer choices, so there is no reason to worry about it.)
但是prep08语法笔记 test2 166题最后补充了一道题：
正确句子是：The work of mathematician Roger Penrose in the early 1970s, on the geometry of what are called aperiodic tiles, turned out to describe the architecture of a previously unknown class of crystals.
哪个才对呢？
What are difficult to understand are A and B. 这样的说法道理对不对呢？？
谢谢各位！！！
作者: seekyoucecily 时间: 2016-9-4 20:35
还有人嘛
作者: seekyoucecily 时间: 2016-9-4 20:44
自己再顶顶～～
作者: 奥兰多铁杆球迷 时间: 2017-11-3 19:30
今天也做到了这道题目
我记得凡是特殊疑问词开头的句子，谓语都是用单数
作者: 聪明蛋 时间: 2017-11-4 17:25
ron 解释的是in a sentence that has the construction "X is Y" -- if both X and Y are nouns/noun phrases/noun clauses -- the subject is X.
always.
这个例子，无论是what is much more difficult to determine 还是what his father left him 都是名词从句，（what都是做名词作用的引导词），这种从句做主语谓语是单数，主句谓语后面的名词不管是几个，有没有and 都是objective了，与主谓一致无关，不用考虑后面的单复情况
除非，是倒装句的时候。当verb前的结构不能做主语时，就是倒装句，verb后才是真正的主语。
objective of verbs，objective of preposition（我记得有个题是from which derive。。。which 应该算objective of “from”所以主语应该是derive后面的部分），subordinate clause；
作者: 顿东w 时间: 2018-9-21 19:17
我也bump一下
现在遇到了一模一样的困扰
Ron确实是说不会在SC里看到what are xxx
但是prep08笔记里说 what his father left him are a few English books
作者: 今天也要加油鸭 时间: 2018-12-1 10:38
prep08笔记里那道题我的思路是这样的：
RON 说过 IF ANYTHING BEFORE THE VERB CAN BE THE SUBJECT, THEN THAT'S THE SUBJECT；所以需要通过what判断。而根据句意what指代的其实是后面的aperiodic tiles，所以就用复数。
不知道可不可以这样理解？
作者: 今天也要加油鸭 时间: 2018-12-1 10:40
不对 好像有点不对...我凌乱了...
作者: 今天也要加油鸭 时间: 2018-12-1 10:53
我好像知道了，这是倒装吧...所以要根据后面的判断。
作者: fresa 时间: 2018-12-4 14:50
看了楼主的帖子，一度也觉得很迷惑用法。 刚刚结合ron的回复和楼上的回复，有一些思路，和大家一起讨论。
比较倾向于Ron对这种题目的理解，首先我觉得下面这个句子用“is ”是正确的。
一：
what his father gave him IS a few books
这个句子里头 ，subject是 What his father gave him, 一个单独的句子作为主语，应该用的是单数 is
二： 那如果是一堆词语（phrase）作subject, verb应该用单数还是复数呢？
比如说：
the reason for their decoration, the use to which primitive people put the caves, and the meaning of the magnificently depicted animals
结构可以省略为the reason, the use , and the meaning .虽然每个noun都是单数，但是用and连接起来二个以上的noun (或者phrase)就要用复数了！
所以，这种情况用的是 are
三：
The work of mathematician Roger Penrose in the early 1970s, on the geometry of what are called aperiodic tiles, turned out to describe the architecture of a previously unknown class of crystals.
关注点在于 on the geometry of what "are "called aperiodic tiles ,这里为什么要用复数are
先找动词，是be动词 （不确定is /are ）
if anything BEFORE the verb CAN BE the subject, then that thing will be the subject. 动词前面出现的名词/名词词组/what引导的句子都可以当主语 （介词短语无法做主语哦）
这里be动词前面的是" what ” ，what 指代的是aperiodic tiles ，所以应该用复数 are
注意这里的what 的是作为一个类似于代词的用法，和情况一 引导的整一个句子作主语，是不一样的
所以on the geometry of what "are "called aperiodic tiles 我认为不属于倒装句，而是根据what的涵义判断用的are
作者: vanessayoung 时间: 2019-7-7 18:31
遇到了同样问题，收藏了
作者: 备战托福少年 时间: 2019-11-8 16:00
prep 08笔记错了， 我已经遇到了好几道题，what 引导的从句后面就是接单数谓语，prep 08上面的解释都自相矛盾了
作者: 备战托福少年 时间: 2019-11-18 11:55
然后知道我发现700-800club 里面这道题，按照以前的规则做错了， What concern scientists the most about global warming are the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, that the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life, and that violent weather patterns may result
.... 看了很多帖子还是不明白为什么...算了 不纠结这个了
作者: RottenGin 时间: 2020-2-25 15:33
就是应该判断一下句子动词前的成分是否可以做主语，像Ron举的例子，介词短语或者比较级放在开头，很显然这个时候往后找主语（这种现象属于倒装），至于前边讨论的，what从句等等都是可以做主语的成分，所以只需要用单数就可以了（不需要向后边找主语）
作者: 断了的弦 时间: 2020-4-16 01:14
What concern scientists the most about global warming are the risks that the polar ice caps will melt,
the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life, and that violent weather patterns may result.
• are the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life, and
that violent weather patterns may result
• is the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, that the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life,
and that violent weather patterns may result
• are the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, that the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life,
and that violent weather patterns may result
• is the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life, and
that violent weather patterns may result
• are the risks of polar ice caps melting, seas growing too warm to sustain marine life, and that violent
weather patterns may result
这道题选c，我凌乱了
作者: sherry1208 时间: 2020-8-14 17:58
If this example is correct, can we approach this kind of question by following the steps below?
1. Plural verb in a subordinate clause (what concern) - plural verb (what... are)
2. no implication in the subordinate clause - singular verb (what... is)
Those steps look good to me. Our general advice is 'if in doubt, think singular'. Check out the chapter in the SC guide that deals with this (Subjects and Verb Tense: Extra).
作者: sherry1208 时间: 2020-8-14 18:16
结合曼哈顿的帖子整理了一下：
if anything BEFORE the verb CAN BE the subject, then that thing will be the subject.
this advice mostly applies to sentences like this one: "A is/are B".
specifically:
in the sentence "noun1 is/are noun2", noun1 is the subject.
in the sentence "noun2 is/are noun1", noun2 is the subject.
for instance:
the hardest part of the test was the last three questions --> "hardest part" is the subject.
the last three questions were the hardest part of the test --> "last three questions" is the subject.
you only have a backward construction (verb before subject) if NOTHING in FRONT of the verb is eligible to be the subject.
on the table are two cell phones
--> "on the table " is a prep. phrase and therefore can't be the subject, so this is a backward construction. "two cell phones" is the subject.
harder than anything else on the test were the last three questions
--> here "harder than anything on the test" contains no eligible subjects, so this is backward construction; "the last three questions" is the subject.
---------From Ron
简单说就是谓语动词前面有名词可以作为主语的话，那谓语动词的单复数就和前面的一致；如果没有的话，就看后面的词语的单复数
学生提问--- what is much more difficult to determine is the reason for their decoration.
I would think the subject is the reason.
Ron：nope. In a sentence that has the construction "X is Y" -- if both X and Y are nouns/noun phrases/noun clauses -- the subject is X. always.
也就是说这儿的what是主语从句，所以what这一坨就是句子的主语
学生又问：If subject is the clause "what is much more difficult to determine" then is the below sentence correct:
what is much more difficult to determine is the reasons for their decoration
Ron：yes.
最后一个提问：
What concern scientists the most about global warming are the risks that the polar ice caps will melt, that the seas will grow too warm to sustain marine life, and that violent weather patterns may result.
For this one, the subject is "what concern scientists the most about global warming". Why should we use "are" instead of "is" this time? Is it because "what concern" implies a single verb？
The singular / plural nature of some pronouns (such as what, some, either) depends somewhat on context. Here, because 'what' is clearly standing for multiple things, treating it as plural makes sense (try it as singular here and you'll see that the sentence could be confusing).
也就是说根据句意，这个句子里的what是指的multiple things，再加上concern用的是复数，所以用are...
最后一个学生总结：
If this example is correct, can we approach this kind of question by following the steps below?
1. Plural verb in a subordinate clause (what concern) - plural verb (what... are) 从句里有复数的谓语动词-->整个句子用复数
2. no implication in the subordinate clause - singular verb (what... is) 从句没有任何单复数暗示-->用单数
instructor：Those steps look good to me. Our general advice is 'if in doubt, think singular'. Check out the chapter in the SC guide that deals with this (Subjects and Verb Tense: Extra).-->曼哈顿的建议就是，用单数，除非明确暗示
不过Ron和曼哈顿的老师都说GMAT一般不会把这个作为单独的考点...
作者: YumiYaya 时间: 2021-10-23 16:27
楼主问的问题是我想了好久还没想明白的…纠结死我了
作者: 3410 时间: 2023-3-2 14:47
也遇到这个问题了感谢这个帖子！
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