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作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-10 03:06
标题: gmat成绩出来，求定位建议，可否冲s16
原来id密码不记得了，重新注册了一个。
gmat最近刚刚考完，770，但是作文比较低3.5，不知道是否要retake。
托福112，同样，口语24不高，还有半年过期了，不知道能否waive
本科:国内生物，普通学校
研究生:国内院校经济统计
研究生二:imperial college, master of computer science

we:2国内民营企业制造业行业，all 2 years were in overseas，(1years in Solomon island,1year in kenya) ;
pm for nature resource trade .

1year family business:investment manager(not immediate family),
发现在投资过程中，对于互联网的不了解，可能会错失很多机会，为了更好地进入it行业，就去imperial 读cs master。。。
毕业后英国做coder一年，现已回国继续家族企业做投资。
读mba还是为了回来更好帮助家族企业，因为至今没有商科背景，而且缺乏国际化视野和系统化商业知识框架。
我知道我的路线非常紊乱，要写好essay基本是个huge challenge,
麻烦各位帮忙选校评估和各种对于background polish up 的建议。

作者: westwindyi 时间: 2014-9-10 09:47
背景挺好的，想好怎么串起来吧。。不必为了作文重刷g了，这个分数很好了；托福应该来得及，建议发邮件问学校

作者: xjtuxb 时间: 2014-9-10 11:06
分数应该够了，不过作文3.5也真是不幸
好好写essay应该机会很大
至少TOP20应该没有问题
冲击S16和M7吧
努力吧，少年

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-10 16:24

westwindyi 发表于 2014-9-10 09:47
背景挺好的，想好怎么串起来吧。。不必为了作文重刷g了，这个分数很好了；托福应该来得及，建议发邮件问学 ...

希望不要太纠地讲故事

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-10 16:26

xjtuxb 发表于 2014-9-10 11:06
分数应该够了，不过作文3.5也真是不幸
好好写essay应该机会很大
至少TOP20应该没有问题

我想申请s16加奥斯丁以及unc，
希望奥斯丁能有点钱录取就无憾了，毕竟s16基本没奖学金哎

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-10 20:31
听说背景和回复数是成正比的，。。。。
估计俺是大概率打酱油了。。。。

作者: westwindyi 时间: 2014-9-11 00:00

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-10 16:26
我想申请s16加奥斯丁以及unc，
希望奥斯丁能有点钱录取就无憾了，毕竟s16基本没奖学金哎 ...

据说奥斯汀基本没奖

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 00:12

westwindyi 发表于 2014-9-11 00:00
据说奥斯汀基本没奖

谢谢。
其实最近也在做一些research，在问各个mba学长前辈。
主要心里最大的concern是，我这种非外企知名企业背景，到底mba能给我带来什么?
如果万一想试试on campus的机会，我这种背景是否完全没机会?毕竟mba招聘主要看的还是pre mba背景吧?
我认识一个人，s16毕业，没有抓住校园招聘，回国找工作，情况非常suffer ，不想说太多detail怕伤感，他也是非典型背景，国企背景的。

作者: westwindyi 时间: 2014-9-11 02:00
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作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-11 02:11

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 00:12
谢谢。
其实最近也在做一些research，在问各个mba学长前辈。
主要心里最大的concern是，我这种非外企知名 ...

I believe for most S16 schools, pre-MBA background doesn't matter that much since a lot of people are doing MBA to switch careers. It doesn't mean relevant pre-MBA is not helpful but it is not necessary (some exceptions like PE)

I don't know the person you refer to, but I have a feeling that he has problems in networking/English communication/story telling. That's more critical than pre-MBA background. Although you could argue that his background lead to bad English communication skills.

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 04:55
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作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 04:56

westwindyi 发表于 2014-9-11 02:00
我还没经历完这个过程不太好说，不过你可以想清楚再申。我是觉得你这个背景不错了，如果能讲个好故事的话。 ...

恩。
可能我是risk aversion

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 04:58

diablo2man 发表于 2014-9-11 02:11
I believe for most S16 schools, pre-MBA background doesn't matter that much since a lot of people ...

Thank you for giving such valuable insights.I wish what you said is the general rule in the MBA world.
I guess there are a variety of facts leading to his tragedy，apart from the language imperfection，the job hunting strategy，the
introvert personality，and his weak（in most typical MBA employers' eyes）former work exp as a Chinese government ，are also the hundrances.
In order to verify the significance of the exp，just set the variables simply, assume that he is a yale som guy who has great communication skills and a decent oral English skill，what would happen if he is still a local official and lacks adequate business exposure？

作者: westwindyi 时间: 2014-9-11 05:12

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 04:56
恩。
可能我是risk aversion

欢迎。。。。。。。。。。

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 05:18

westwindyi 发表于 2014-9-11 05:12
欢迎你申duke，浮夸很善待背景奇特的人。

浮夸是很喜欢独特背景的人，但是独特背景的人最后结果怎么样就不知道了。
不过这些样本太少很难统计，即使有一两个就业不错抑或不好，也难以说明问题，因为我相信没有多少公务员或者纯土鳖背景申请MBA，MBA presence国内也就美资公司有吧。
一般人想不到读mba，我也就是一个非常偶然的机会才知道读MBA这条路。我以前一直以为MBA就是王石这种人读的，是属于全世界最水的学位，原来我曾经的无知，因为中国很多人对MBA不懂。
我这种是处于比纯公务员稍微洋气一点点（虽然去的国家都是所罗门群岛，肯尼亚等艰苦地带），但是又没干货型外资经验的，
其实我总觉得，只要是四大这种背景的读mba，即使没有把握校园招聘的机会，回来都不会太觉得白读。。。。。

作者: westwindyi 时间: 2014-9-11 05:19

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 05:18
浮夸是很喜欢独特背景的人，但是独特背景的人最后结果怎么样就不知道了。
不过很难统计，因为我相信没有 ...

商学院只是平台，修行在个人。。

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 05:25

westwindyi 发表于 2014-9-11 05:19
商学院只是平台，修行在个人。。

现在的问题是，这个哥们回国以后，投简历没人理会，估计一看他是公务员背景就不想给他面试机会。
有一个英资企业面试他，问到：”在哪儿留的学？”他说“我是某某大学MBA”
原本以为对方会眼前一亮，却丢出一句：”美国留的学啊，那还可以。。。。。“

作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-11 05:28

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 04:58
Thank you for giving such valuable insights.I wish what you said is the general rule in the MBA wor ...

I can't say about special case as Chinese government officials since the sample size is too small and not going to give any statistically important result. But I know many US military background MBA students get decent jobs. Considering they don't have pre-MBA business backgrounds and the only thing they have is personality/communication skills, I would say business exposure is not something necessary.

Of course I'm not trying to say Chinese government background equal to US military background, since US military is well respected in business world. Just to prove a point that pure business knowledge is not always required

作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-11 05:37

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 05:25
现在的问题是，这个哥们回国以后，投简历没人理会，估计一看他是公务员背景就不想给他面试机会。
有一个 ...

He shouldn't give up on campus recruiting. He can bullshit all the way into final interview here because very few people know what exactly a Chinese government officials do.

In addition to that, US companies tend to hire more non-traditional people due to well-planned training programs.

If I have such background, I would pitch my career goal as emerging market government consulting or some sorts because I observe the problem A/B/C. Story telling is important

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 06:47

diablo2man 发表于 2014-9-11 05:37
He shouldn't give up on campus recruiting. He can bullshit all the way into final interview here ...

What  a shame the guy didn't hear these thoughtful advises back then！
Given your hypothetical advises ，I think I should make some adjustment to be contextualized with the
  on campus resources.
Initially ，my strategy is just giving my best shot to seize every on campus chance so as to “maximize the probability  ”, since the opportunities are so limited for international students.It maybe totally wrong，Something unrelated to my exp should be skimed and should focus on the realistic and approachable stuff....
Anyway,a S16 level MBA is definitely  a necessity for me to  make it considering my so called diversified  background......

作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-11 09:58

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 06:47
What a shame the guy didn't hear these thoughtful advises back then！
Given your hypothetical adv ...

yes, for career switch, s16 is minimum from my perspective. What I mean S16 is not strictly 16 schools. Some 20ish schools are good at some industries like tepper (good at IT). So you need to figure out your goal first (at least select an industry)

作者: Eclipse_BUAA 时间: 2014-9-11 10:10
我跟你一样的情况，之前做的和家族企业做的没啥关系，故事挺难讲的。。。

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 13:57

diablo2man 发表于 2014-9-11 09:58
yes, for career switch, s16 is minimum from my perspective. What I mean S16 is not strictly 16 sch ...

can't agree more,so im supposed to do more research about the category now and branch out the s16' list range as wide as possible...

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-11 13:58

Eclipse_BUAA 发表于 2014-9-11 10:10
我跟你一样的情况，之前做的和家族企业做的没啥关系，故事挺难讲的。。。 ...

锻炼一圈积累经验更好会家族企业做贡献?

作者: Eclipse_BUAA 时间: 2014-9-13 16:04

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-11 13:58
锻炼一圈积累经验更好会家族企业做贡献?

太泛泛，锻炼了啥，怎么做贡献呢

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-13 17:58

Eclipse_BUAA 发表于 2014-9-13 16:04
太泛泛，锻炼了啥，怎么做贡献呢

现在民营企业的pe，做的事情还是太单一，现在需要做些vc了。我们那边(杭州)其实很有可投的，需要接地气

作者: JonFrank 时间: 2014-9-15 22:53
ello and congratulations on that totally amazing GMAT and that equally amazing TOEFL!
Your English really must be fantastic. What a great job!
I don’t think you should even THINK about retaking the GMAT since you have such a fantastic score already.

So, you have a very interesting career and trajectory, and it’s pretty non-traditional for a Chinese candidate. I think you can make a really good story out of this, and should be a great candidate at S16 schools, if you can write a great application.

If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate to write!

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-15 23:16

JonFrank 发表于 2014-9-15 22:53
ello and congratulations on that totally amazing GMAT and that equally amazing TOEFL!
Your English ...

Thank you for your advises and encouragement.
One of my best folks who had used your consulting service finally got into a desirable S16....

作者: JonFrank 时间: 2014-9-16 21:40

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-15 23:16
Thank you for your advises and encouragement.
One of my best folks who had used your consulting se ...

I am glad to help. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me!

作者: guoziyang1983 时间: 2014-9-16 23:42

JonFrank 发表于 2014-9-16 21:40
I am glad to help. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me!

Sure!!!I will send a request via wechat

作者: JonFrank 时间: 2014-9-17 23:07

guoziyang1983 发表于 2014-9-16 23:42
Sure!!!I will send a request via wechat

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Eclipse_BUAA 发表于 2014-9-13 16:04
太泛泛，锻炼了啥，怎么做贡献呢

貌似霍家大少霍启刚（就郭晶晶她老公）也这样，也是在英国读个书，MBA与否不记得了，然后自己横朋友开个公司做两年，最后才回到了霍家集团做管理人员。。。参照霍启刚经验，你也可以MBA然后做个很好的家族管理者。。。

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