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标题: 求反驳申请不上Top20学校，毕业时如何竞争支持H1B公司的Offer [打印本页]

作者: fairysmile0611 时间: 2014-9-5 06:18
标题: 求反驳申请不上Top20学校，毕业时如何竞争支持H1B公司的Offer
选校中，总是找到各种各样的理由，选择自己的Safe zone中的学校
但是突然意识到一个问题，
如果申请时都没有实力申到Top 20学校，那么毕业的时候怎么跟Top学校的人竞争仅有的支持H1B公司的Offer呢

欢迎大家举例反驳，这里讨论的仅是General Management和Marketing方向

我知道国内的机会多，但是考虑到空气，小孩的教育等等还是不打算回国
这样的情况下，是否应该跳出自己的Comfort Zone，挑战一下，至少是Top20吧
如果起点上就输了，还是老老实实过现在的日子吧

注 Top20是泛指，综合排名20的学校或者是在某些方面非常突出的学校

作者: cdeng 时间: 2014-9-5 06:41
你能不能拿到h1b首先取决于你的运气好不好。。因为现在要抽签。。运气不好哈佛也回家

作者: roylist 时间: 2014-9-6 23:42
感觉这种文章简直很幼稚啊。沉了吧

作者: t3y_chenzhan 时间: 2014-9-7 07:07
H1B和 TOP20没有很大关系。。。本人所在学校商学院非top20,6个中国大陆来的同学今年全部顺利拿到H1B

作者: bigjoe 时间: 2014-9-7 07:55
h1b抽到与否和学校排名没有关系。只要拿到offer，申请H1b的通道都是一样。

作者: fairysmile0611 时间: 2014-9-7 09:35
对不起，表达不清

我的意思是说如果选申请的时候都拿不到top School Admission，那么毕业的时候
怎么跟top School毕业生竞争支持H1B公司的Offer呢

作者: bigjoe 时间: 2014-9-8 06:04

fairysmile0611 发表于 2014-9-7 09:35
对不起，表达不清

我的意思是说如果选申请的时候都拿不到top School Admission，那么毕业的时候

你的想法中基于两个假设
1. 对于任何一个学生来说，school admission跟就业能力的排序是完全一样的
2. 所有学生都想要一个H1b的工作留美

这两个假设都是不成立的

比如有些Duke的人找的工作比Wharton还强，看每个个体哦
同时有些支持H1B的工作Top school的学生也不想去，愿意回国

作者: tinaxueMIT 时间: 2014-9-8 08:40
H1b and the school you get into are completely different things. All employers will want you to first use your opt because it is much faster for you to get. Most for profit companies can only apply for h1b between April and oct and the spots usually fill up by may/June. That's means your first year of work will definitely have to be in opt since you will not make the deadline if you graduate in may. The opt lasts for one year with option for renewal as long as you remain employed. In your second year your company will apply for your h1b as long as you are doing a good job. For some jobs, the company will not sponsor h1b regardless of what school you are from or what school you went to. So when you are applying for jobs, definitely make sure to check this. The only exception to this rule are non profits. Non profits like most universities, charities, hospitals etc can sponsor h1b whenever. However these places usually only sponsor for very senior level positions of research positions. They also pay much less than private industry.

I guess the conclusion is, just because you didn't get into a top twenty school doesn't mean you will not get h1b sponsorship. This will depend more on the position you applied for and your work performance. If you are bad at your job in the first year, you will not get h1b sponsorship even if you graduated from harvard.

作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-10 22:30

tinaxueMIT 发表于 2014-9-8 08:40
H1b and the school you get into are completely different things. All employers will want you to firs ...

not true. you can definitely apply h1b at the year of graduation if you get offer before April 1 from a company has h1b sponsorship.

but I agree that school has little to do with h1b. Industry is most important factor. From easy to difficult:

IT > Consulting/Finance > Industrial > Media/Art

作者: tinaxueMIT 时间: 2014-9-11 01:31
Sure .....You can apply...but you need corporate sponsorship...and generally no company is going to do it...There is no body that stands there and says NO...but good luck finding a company with an HR team willing to do it..largely also because they would have to wait longer on your start time than an OPT. The only time I've seen this happen is a small start up for engineers.

作者: diablo2man 时间: 2014-9-11 02:07

tinaxueMIT 发表于 2014-9-11 01:31
Sure .....You can apply...but you need corporate sponsorship...and generally no company is going to ...

you think so or you have proof?

All companies I know (my classmates joined), including big banks and IT firms are pushing you to get H1B at first year since there is no guarantee you would get it the second year by lottery. You are not encouraged to use OPT unless you have good reasons.

If your company doesn't apply H1B for you in first year and you failed to get H1B lottery in second year, it is a loss to the company who did a lot of training and provide sign-on bonus/relocation to you. In order to retain the talent, company then needs to spend much more to relocate you to international office for 1 year (more than two friends relocated to HK for a year b/c h1b issue)

What you said only applied to smaller firms, low paid job or media/art related companies. Those companies don't traditionally sponsor H1b and they are not sure if they want to do that. So they postpone it as much as possible.

Trust me, for any 100K+ job, visa application fee/attorney fee is a small fraction of total cost of hiring

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