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作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-8-10 16:14
标题: “comma+v-ing”修饰的困惑
翻了半天帖子了，对于一句话不是很理解，“v-ing从来没有失去作定语的功能，只是优先作状语”，有没有人来解释一下这句话？？

是不是说不管是作状语还是作定语，只要其中某一个使得整句话表述清晰就正确？

因为如果作定语，那就有可能修饰comma前的宾语，而逻辑上需要理解为作前面的结果壮语这样整个句子就说的通。所以是不是这种情况下理解为定语产生歧义就是自己没事找事给自己添堵？？

求肯定！！！

附曼哈顿语法原句

EG: Crime has recently decreased in our neighborhood，leading to a rise in property values.

这里就完全不考虑leading修饰neighborhood产生歧义的情况对吗！？？

作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-8-10 16:20
噢漏，求点击

作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-8-10 18:03
自己顶。。。

作者: ayoyoyo 时间: 2014-8-10 19:16
"SVO, v-ing"中的v-ing作用，可以是
1. 修饰S
2. 修饰O，或O的核心内容
3. 修饰整句
其中第3个功能是比较强大的，也是which和that难以实现的（同位语也能实现一部分）
正因为此，所有有的时候会有歧义，尤其是"xxx, v-ing, xxx"的时候，分不清是修饰前面还是后面。
但是你说的这个句子逻辑意思很清楚，就无所谓歧义了。含义上清清楚楚的东西无所谓歧义。歧义通常也不作为果断排除选项的第一步。

作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-8-10 19:21

ayoyoyo 发表于 2014-8-10 19:16
"SVO, v-ing"中的v-ing作用，可以是
1. 修饰S
2. 修饰O，或O的核心内容

鉴于你的，“其中第3个功能是比较强大的”，那就是在这里因为起到了第3个功能并且在这个功能下意思很清楚，所以就不去考虑其他的功能（修饰O）。所以句子没有问题
可以这样理解不？

作者: ayoyoyo 时间: 2014-8-10 19:24

Satanilles 发表于 2014-8-10 19:21
鉴于你的，“其中第3个功能是比较强大的”，那就是在这里因为起到了第3个功能并且在这个功能下意思很清楚 ...

对啊，除非含义上会带来歧义，否则就不是歧义呀。。。
否则任何一个有两种或两种以上意思的语法和单词，不就都有歧义了。。。

作者: Satanilles 时间: 2014-8-10 19:25

ayoyoyo 发表于 2014-8-10 19:24
对啊，除非含义上会带来歧义，否则就不是歧义呀。。。
否则任何一个有两种或两种以上意思的语法和单词， ...

哈哈哈哈，我太哈了，谢谢~！！！最近看傻了

作者: dealchan 时间: 2017-7-27 20:08

ayoyoyo 发表于 2014-8-10 19:16
"SVO, v-ing"中的v-ing作用，可以是
1. 修饰S
2. 修饰O，或O的核心内容

svo，ving中的ving是verb modifier吧，不是noun modifier，所以不能修饰o吧？？

作者: Meduse1993 时间: 2018-1-30 22:19
实话。ron直接说了 comma ing 就是状语修饰整个句子或者主语。很少几乎没有做定语修饰 O 的情况。

作者: Aragonn 时间: 2018-2-16 16:30
根据官方第六版曼哈顿SC Strategy Guide，第4章，第62页，底部一段：
“Exhausted from her job，she bought a lottery ticket.
You could think of ’exhausted from her job‘ as a modifier of ’she‘. Who was exhuasted? She was. However, the context of the rest of sentence matters. A sentence such as 'exhausted from her job, she has a red hair' would not be acceptable on the GMAT. As a result, it is better to thinl of this modifier as applicable to the whole main clause. Because she was 'exhausted from her job, she bought a lottery ticket' "
综上，GMAT官方认为“comma+分词”作为状语才是正确的。

作者: mmmmmy 时间: 2018-2-23 15:14
楼主可以从结构和句意上理解"，V-ing"
1.可以做解释说明，这是修饰语要和主句的主语有逻辑关系
2.说明结果，这时可以不和主句主语有逻辑关系
EG: Crime has recently decreased in our neighborhood，leading to a rise in property values.
上句就是表示结果

作者: JUMBOO 时间: 2019-4-10 13:39

Meduse1993 发表于 2018-1-30 22:19
实话。ron直接说了 comma ing 就是状语修饰整个句子或者主语。很少几乎没有做定语修饰 O 的情况。 ...

By 1940, the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, earned at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were of dangerously experimental design.

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作者: Crustmaster 时间: 2021-8-25 12:00
以下信息是个人总结于曼哈顿语法书 & RON的发言 & OG，仅供参考。
any “comma -ing” structures are adverbial modifiers.
（修饰latest action or the whole clause，不修饰plain noun。 To express the meaning of purpose, result or simultaneous action of 被修饰成分）

观点1：有时comma -ing放在句首时看起来在修饰它所adherent的句子or短语的主语，但其实修饰的是整个句子。时刻记住comma -ing不能修饰plain noun，不可能做定语。

“Exhausted from her job，she bought a lottery ticket.”You could think of ’exhausted from her job‘ as a modifier of ’she‘. Who was exhuasted? She was. However, the context of the rest of sentence matters.
A sentence such as 'exhausted from her job, she has a red hair' would not be acceptable on the GMAT. As a result, it is better to thinl of this modifier as applicable to the whole main clause. Because she was 'exhausted from her job, she bought a lottery ticket' ""

观点2：(From Ron，搜索T945，在manhattan网站可以看到)：'comma _ing' modifies the closest action. e.g( both of these sentences work in the same way): ①A drunk driver drove his car into a storefront, causing several hundred thousand dollars' worth of damages. ②A verdict is due today in the trial of a drunk driver who drove his car into a storefront, causing several hundred thousand dollars' worth of damages.

（PS: when modifiers modify actions, they just modify the closest action, regardless of whether that action is actually a verb. e.g.: ①I made weird expressions with my mouth and fingers, scaring the babies. ②My sister saw me making weird expressions with my mouth and fingers, scaring the babies. both of these sentences are ok, and both of them work in exactly the same way. the fact that ""making"" isn't grammatically a verb doesn't make any difference ）

作者: Alaska17 时间: 2023-1-3 04:37
不考虑。这句简直是经典例句。

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