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作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-4-29 15:29
标题: UMN MA-HRIR vs OSU MRHM選校
大家好~目前很開心能收到UMN和OSU兩個很好的人資program錄取通知。想請問大家有關選校的建議。我打算未來在美國唸完人資碩士後繼續往上攻讀博士。對於我博士班申請的計畫，兩校都各有優缺點。大致上，UMN的排名比OSU好(研究產值); 兩邊都有我有興趣的教授; 對於碩士班學生來說，要和老師做研究機會不多; 不過，在OSU可以選擇寫碩士論文，UMN不用寫碩士論文。其中一項我考量的點在於，在碩士班的研究經驗，若沒能有研究經驗，感覺之後博士班申請滿不利的。簡單來說，UMN ranking較好，而OSU可以有一個寫碩士論文的機會。當然，我詢問過兩邊的教授和學生，兩邊都有學生參與老師研究的可能(機會不多，但有過)，也都有人畢業後申請上不錯的PhD prorgam。因此，想請問各位，若換作你們，會做怎樣的選擇呢?感謝!

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-4-30 20:12
UMN。。。必须的

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-4-30 20:43
sleepyjoy你好~謝謝你的建議...可以請您說說看你選UMN的原因嗎?我知道他的ranking比較好..但我擔心的是研究機會不多的問題。~謝謝你

作者: lorry想飞 时间: 2014-5-11 17:41
刚回完发现你都录啦UMN啦！恭喜！。。我就酱油般的给UMN投个票吧。。

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-11 21:58
lorry 謝謝妳...後來你有錄取哪幾間呢?然後決定要去哪間念呢? 以後HR領域也可以多多聯絡^^

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-5-11 23:06

didi0908 发表于 2014-4-30 20:43
sleepyjoy你好~謝謝你的建議...可以請您說說看你選UMN的原因嗎?我知道他的ranking比較好..但我擔心的是研究 ...

我一直觉得HR比较好的学校就cornell, UMN, UIUC, MSU, RU这几所（这也基本上是公认的），OSU都没有被count在里面，虽然OSU近年HR项目有进步，但和UMN差的距离还是很远呀。

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-5-11 23:08

In many HR circles in recent years an emerging debate centers around the best course for HR Graduate Education. Some experts argue in favor of the MBA while others retain the conviction that a HR Masters is the more appropriate path. A definitive answer to this debate depends on numerous factors for each individual. What is not debatable is that financial accumen and business knowledge are core competencies for any aspiring Chief HR Officer. CHRO's at the world's largest companies are paid millions of dollars per year for their expertise and capacity to influence bottom-line results.

Also of note is that within media circles that rank virtually every type of graduate program imaginable -- a definitive ranking of HR Grad Programs does not exist. Rankings themselves have inherent flaws, but they do provide a guidepost for prospective students and corporate recruiters. In a previous post I provided the rankings of the top seventeen schools that offer HR graduate degrees. Some of these schools offered HR Masters, some MBA's, and some offer both.

In this post I will focus only on a ranking of the HR Masters Programs.

In another post I will rank the MBA programs that offer an HR Emphasis.

If you have further interest in how to improve the HR profession please read "HOW TO FIX HR?"

Key considerations in the rankings: starting salaries, class demographics, curriculum depth, faculty prestige, # of recruiting companies, size and quality of alumni base, history/legacy, # of internship offers.

TOP 11 HR MASTERS PROGRAMS:

1. Cornell
2. Michigan State
3. Minnesota
4. Illinois
5. Rutgers
6. Purdue
7. Ohio State
8. Penn State
9. South Carolina
10. West Virginia
11. Texas A&M

To understand the rationale behind the rankings we will provide a more detailed analysis of each school:

School #1 - Cornell

Cornell offers two degrees for prospective HR executives. The Cornell Master of Industrial and Labor Relations program has been producing top-caliber HR talent for over five decades. The MILR degree is a two year program that offers a broad and diverse curriculum and the opportunity to choose one of five specialty areas:

Human Resources and Organizations
Labor Market Policy
Collective Representation
Dispute Resolution
International and Comparative Labor

Most students who plan to pursue corporate HR jobs pursue the HR & Organizations track which gives them the most exposure to the various facets of HR. MILR students are also eligible totake a semester at the top ranked Johnson School of Business as part of their degree program. In addition, MILR students can hand pick core business classes from the Johnson School if they desire to supplement their HR education with general business classes such as Accounting, Finance, Marketing, Strategy, etc. The Johnson School and ILR School students co-sponsor theSHRLOE (Strategic HR, Leadership and Organizational Effectivness) symposium each year which exemplifies the networking opportunities and connectivity of the two schools.

Students who desire both the depth of the MILR degree curriculum and the rigor of the MBA can enroll in a joint MBA/MILR degree which allows them to complete both degrees in five semesters. This dual degree is the crown jewel for aspiring HR professionals as it combines the power of the top ranked HR Master program with a MBA from the highly-ranked Johnson School. Both the MILR students and MBA/MILR students compete for the same internships and companies, but the MBA/MILR's historically see much higher salaries and signing bonuses. This is a function of the broader work experience they tend to bring to the program and the value that recruiters place on the dual degree. Other schools in the top 17 list offer dual degrees, but none combine the resources of two elite programs and schools like the Johnson Business School and the ILR School at Cornell.

LINK TO THE MOST RECENT PLACEMENT STATISTICS AND SALARIES FOR MILR AND MILR/MBA GRADUATES

The mean GRE scores from recent MILR classes are:

GRE 2007: Verbal: 550 Quantitative: 710
GRE 2008: Verbal: 564 Quantitative: 666
GRE 2009: Verbal: 564 Quantitative: 676

The MILR programs also offers a dual degree with one of the top business schools in Europe for those that seek a more international educational experience.

TOP SALARY OFFER FOR A RECENT MILR/MBA GRADUATE: $122,000 + $20,000 signing bonus.

THE BOTTOM-LINE -- WHY CORNELL IS NUMBER ONE?

One of the secrets to the Cornell HR Graduate experience is the fringe benefit of the ILR School's undergraduate program. Because the ILR school offers an undergraduate program the faculty and staff resources dedicated to the study of HR issues is greater than any in the world. The undergrad ILR students have gone on to be executives in HR and have created an expansive network that is tremendously valuable to aspiring HR executives. This network combined with the success of MILR and MILR/MBA grads has resulted in the creation of the world's leading center for the study of Human Resources: The Cornell Center For Advanced Human Resource Studies. This unique partnership between academia and corporate partners has fostered the most prestigious network of HR executives in the world. The full list of corporate sponsorsranges from high-tech (IBM, Microsoft, amazon.com, HP, Dell) to large industrial companies (GE, Goodyear, Ingersoll-Rand, Terex, Northrup Grumman) to many other industries and segments. CAHRS executives and sponsors also are widely represented in the National Academy of Human Resources and the HR Policy Association which are widely known as the most prestigious circles for broader HR influence across the corporate spectrum.

The presence of CAHRS at the ILR School breeds numerous networking opportunities for students that they are not available at any other HR graduate program in the world. The annual CAHRS round table event allows students to interact one-one-one with the Chief Human Resources officers from over 20 of the CAHRS sponsor companies. These relationships continue as CAHRS companies speak in classes and assign consulting projects to students to work on as part of their academic curriculum. CAHRS truly is the X-Factor for Cornell which allows the program to stand out as the #1 place in the world to pursue HR graduate education.

The final factor that has tremendous value is the connection to the Ivy League network. Cornell is a well-endowed, prestigious and tradition rich school. The ILR School and the Johnson Business School are just two pieces of an extremely historic intellectual tradition. It is the only private university in our top 11.

SCHOOL #2 -- MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY

Really, the question as we head down the list become one of differentiation. Michigan State offers a MBA with a HR Emphasis and a traditional HR Masters at the School of Industrial and Labor Relations. They also are the first school to leverage its international muscle by offering a HR Masters degree based in Dubai. The diversity of options, the breadth of curriculum and the joint relationship between the School of Industrial and Labor Relations and the Eli Broad School of business distinguish Michigan State as an outstanding option for HR graduate education. Of course -- Michigan State also has a great legacy of placing students in the top HR graduate rotation programs in the world. Rich history of successful alumni including Kevin Cox, CHRO at American Express and Brian Schipper, CHRO at Cisco Systems.

LINK TO DETAILED PROGRAM BROCHURE

Michigan State: Full Salary and Placement Stats Click Here

Average salary: $78,938.00
Salary Range: $60,000.00 to $95,000.00
Average Signing Bonus: $11,857.00
Signing Bonus Range: $3,500.00 to $18,000.00 Percent receiving bonuses:88%

Top Student coming out of Michigan State with a MBA going into HR:
$95,000 per year with a $18,000 signing bonus. Not too shabby.

Another real coup by Michigan State has been the formation of satellite campus located in Dubai that offers a HR Masters Degree in the Middle East. This progressive and innovative concept truly strengthens the global dimensions of the program and the school.

SCHOOL #3 - MINNESOTA

Accepted Student Profile for University of Minnesota HR Masters

Fall 2009

Average undergrad GPA: 3.48

Average GRE scores:
510 verbal
640 quantitative
Class of 2008 top graduate offer: $96,000.

Founded in 1945 the Center for Human Resources and Labor Studies has been ranked as one of the top HR programs for several decades. A robust alumni pool assures continuous recruiting and placement of students with best in class HR companies. The HR Masters is attached to the Carlson School of Business which is very well regarded based in the growing Twin Cities area. This attachment to the business school allows students to take critical business classes to supplement their HR coursework.

One of the things that stands out about the Minnesota program is the breadth and depth of curriculum offerings for HR students. Some of the attractive and creative course offerings include:

HRIR 5025. Comparative and International Human Resources and Industrial Relations (2 cr)

HRIR 5026. Innovative HR Leadership in the Context of Change and Uncertainty. (2 cr)
HRIR 8011. Using Data and Metrics in Human Resources and Industrial Relations. (4 cr)
HRIR 8023. International Human Resource Management. (2 cr)
HRIR 8033. Employee Training: Creating a Learning Organization. (2 cr)
HRIR 8034. Employee Development: Creating a Competitive Advantage. (2 cr)
HRIR 8042. Organizational Structure and Performance. (2 cr)
HRIR 8043. Comparative Organizations and HRM Systems. (2 cr)
HRIR 8045. Organizational Development, HR Metrics, and the Balanced Scorecard. (2 cr)

SCHOOL #4 - ILLINOIS

This should be the safety school for all applicants to HR Masters or MBA programs. The program is well-established and offers significant funding to the top 1/3 of the entering class.The placement rates are consistent and provide access to a diverse recruitment pipeline of some of the best companies in the world. Admission requirements are not that stringent and the School has a reputation for being very social and well connected to its alumni base. Again -- You can't go wrong with the University of Illinois. It is a big program about 175 Students in total and leads to a very robust alumni network. They do not publish average GRE scores, but it is unlikely that their requirements would exceed those at Minnesota or Cornell which are published on their websites. If you do have a strong undergraduate GPA and a strong GRE score you should apply here just to see what kind of scholarships that they may offer. I have heard anecdotally that Illinois has some of the best funding resources available.  The 100% scholarship to Illinois is very attractive. The top students at Illinois are able to  land jobs with many of the big name HR Rotational programs. The only negative is the long-term value proposition of the Illinois brand. Does it have the"buzz factor" that can help you land the top HR posts later in your career?

STUDENT PROFILE FALL 2008

                                    Master's*                               Ph.D.                         Total
Total 175 13 188
Female 125 5 130
Male 50 8 58
International 33 11 44
African American 20 0 20
American Indian 1 0 1
Hispanic 6 1 7

PLACEMENT SUMMARY DATA FOR 2008-09
(updated after Placement Report publication)
In 2008-09, 88% of LER candidates who were eligible for and searching for full time employment in the US were placed in positions. For full-time entry-level hires, the average private-sector salary for 2008-08 is $70,325, with different regional ranges. Signing bonuses averaged $7,664 ranging between $2,000 - $15,000. The average first-year total compensation (excluding relocation allowances) is $70,640. 95% of graduates found their positions through LER Career Services.

Interns received an average salary of $4,716 per month (private sector), with a range of unpaid - $6,258 per month. In 2008-09, 96% of LER students were placed in internships, and 51% of LER students choose a full-time position with the company at which they had interned the previous summer. 92% of students found their positions through LER Career Services.

What GRE score is needed for admission?

A. Entering students at LER receive on average between 55-65% on the three different sections of the GRE. This equates out to a 490-530 on the verbal section, a 590-630 on the quantitative sections and a 590-630 on the analytical section.

Q. What GMAT score is needed for admission?

A. Entering students at LER that take the GMAT receive on average a composite score between a 580-650.

SCHOOL #5 -RUTGERS
Rutgers HR Masters program boasts of having the most "published HR faculty in the world". That may be true and without a doubt Rutgers has built a stronghold in the north east for teaching and placing HR Talent. Career prospects also look bright -- Quoting from the Rutgers Website:"Starting salaries for individuals with a Rutgers MHRM degree are competitive with MBA graduates entering HR staff work, in the $58,000-$90,000 range for individuals with varying amounts of experience. Sign-on incentives can range from $5,000-$30,000. Prior HR experience can bring you a higher salary and/or a more responsible position. If you do not have prior experience, getting placed in internships will increase your market value and frequently result in job offers from the organizations with which you intern. As Vice Presidents of HR increasingly become members of corporate executive committees and boards of directors – annual base compensation for senior managers often exceeds $350,000. Salaries in large organizations can substantially exceed this amount."

What are the admissions criteria?

Our minimum standard for consideration for admission is a 3.0 grade-point average (GPA) and Graduate Record Exam (GRE) scores in the 500s in verbal and quantitative sections and 4.5 in the analytical writing section. We look for 500s on the Graduate Management Aptitude Test (GMAT), which can be taken in place of the GRE. Three letters of recommendation are required, preferably at least one being an academic reference. Employers’ letters are also acceptable references.

LINK TO THE PROGRAM BROCHURE

SCHOOL #6 -- PURDUE

Like Cornell and Michigan State -- Purdue offers both the Masters in HRM and a MBA with a HR Emphasis. These combined programs lead to more faculty emphasis, deeper curriculum depth and generally the best possible path for an aspiring HR professional where you can combine the intense business curriculum with the HR functional classwork. The Krannert School is highly regarded and has an excellent recruiting pipeline. The HR Masters program is relatively small with typically 17-25 students per year. This does effect the number of specific firms that will come to campus to recruit HR Master students. Your best bet with with Purdue's Krannert school is to pursue the MBA option that emphasizes in HR. I do add the caveat that this advice runs 100% counter to Krannert's own website which states:

"For students interested in pursuing a career in Human Resource Management, Krannert faculty, employers, and alumni recommend the MSHRM program over the MBA OBHR Option."
This type of schizophrenic messaging drops the program down a notch. The programs that are hot in the HR world either offer an MBA centric focus, a HR Centric focus or a dual degree. Purdue is kind of caught in the middle by offering an MBA with a HR Emphasis while publicly advocating students interested in HR to pursue the HR Masters. I think the Purdue program is a great choice, but the lack of national prestige and legacy forces me to endorse the MBA program with a HR Emphasis over the HR Masters. The long term ROI is much better in this instance.

MBA OBHR Option requirements include a minimum of ten hours of course work from the lists below.
OBHR Courses:
OBHR 63100: Human Resource Systems (should be taken 1st year, 2nd module)
OBHR 64000: Industrial Relations
OBHR 64100: Employee Relations
OBHR 64200: Compensation and Reward Systems I
OBHR 64300: Compensation and Reward Systems II

OBHR 64400: Staffing Tools
OBHR 64500: Staffing Systems
OBHR 64700: Technology and Human Capital
OBHR 65000: International Human Resources Management
OBHR 66200: Leadership
OBHR 66900: Negotiations in Organizations
OBHR 69000: Empowering Change in Organizations
OBHR 69000: Organizational Development
OBHR 56000: Mentoring and Socialization
OBHR 69000: Training and Development
OBHR 69000: Strategic Human Resource Mgmt

Click on this link for the detailed employment statistics for Purdue grads.

SCHOOL #7 - OHIO STATE
Ohio State is a great option for a reputable HR Masters Degree with the flexibility to work during the day if necessary. The program is very small with only an average of 35 students admitted to the program each fall. Approximately 35% of the students are part-time.  The majority of classes are offered in the evenings and the curriculum and career placement are above average. The program website offer a few informative videos about the program that are worth viewing.  Overall Ohio State edges out some of the other schools because of its attachment to the Ohio State Fischer Business School. These close ties to a top ranked business school provide numerous peripheral benefits for HR Masters students.
Average starting salary of a MLHR graduate is $68,000.

SCHOOL #8 PENN STATE

Graduates of the Penn State HRER master's program have great success when they enter the job market. Ninety-five percent of alums have at least one job offer prior to graduation. Many have multiple offers. Earning a master's degree usually results in salaries that are $15,000-$30,000 above those of undergraduates entering similar fields. Starting salaries generally range from $50,000-$85,000. While most students find jobs with corporations, employment opportunities also are available in unions, government agencies, and nonprofit organizations. On completion of the program, most graduates have multiple job offers. The majority accept positions as human resource/employment relations professionals with major corporations such as CIGNA, Lockheed Martin, IBM, ARAMARK, Corning, and Westinghouse. Others enter the management field consulting with well-known firms like PricewaterhouseCoopers, Hay, or Accenture. Some find jobs within the labor movement, working with unions.

SCHOOL #9 SOUTH CAROLINA

The 45 credit Master of Human Resources from the Moore School of Business will provide you with the strong education and practical experience you need to meet the exciting challenges you will face as an HR professional. The MHR can be completed in a year-and-a-half, including the required 6 credit-hour internship. Students from all undergraduate majors are welcome in the Master of Human Resources program at Moore.

Sample Curriculum:
HR and the Global Firm
Management of Compensation
Staffing
Labor Relations
Human Resource Metrics and Research Methods
Human Resources and Business Strategy
Consulting and Organizational Development in MNCs
Employee and Leadership Development
Employment Relations Law
Managing Cross-Border Teams
Organization Theory
The Firm and Its Environment
Management of Employee Benefits Programs
Labor Economics
Project Management

Students have the opportunity to interact with the Riegel and Emory Human Resources Advisory Board, which consists of top executives in the field of human resources management, government, and labor. This group meets biannually to provide input on curriculum, employment opportunities, and course content.
The following companies and organizations are represented on the advisory board:
AFL-CIO                               General Motors
Avery Dennison Harcourt Assessment
BOSE Corporation Ingersoll-Rand
CHEP Equipment International Paper
CIGNA Corporation Merck & Co.
Clariant Corporation Meridian Gold Co.
COMPUCOM Michelin
Constangy, Brooks, and Smith National Gypsum
DELPHI Newell-Rubbermaid
Duke Energy Pepsi Bottling Group
EDS Piedmont Natural Gas
ExxonMobil Sonoco Products
Fidelity Investments Sony Magnetic Products
Fisher & Phillips, LLP Symantec
Fleet Financial Sysco Corporation
General Electric TMP Worldwide

SCHOOL #10 WEST VIRGINIA

Graduates from the MSIR program enjoy successful placement in a diverse group of high quality employers. Recent graduates have accepted challenging positions with national firms such asGeneral Electric, Pepsi Bottling, Sony Erickson, PPG Industries, Nestles Waters and Marathon Oil. The public sector also finds great value in the WVU MSIR with students going to the United Way, West Virginia University Department of Human Resources, and Pac- Tech to name several. The consulting arena has sought graduates with recent placements at Accenture, Mercer Consulting and Korn- Ferry International.
Typical entry level positions accepted by WVU MSIR graduates include the areas of Staffing, Selection, Placement and Talent Management. Other graduates have been placed in the critical roles of Business Partner, Human Resources Generalist, and Labor Relations Specialist. Students with an interest in Organizational Development successfully find opportunities in Training and Development, Human Asset Planning, Change Management, and Human Resource Information Systems. Students with strong analytical backgrounds have been placed in the functional specialties of Compensation Design and Administration, Employee Benefits, and Healthcare Plan Operation.

SCHOOL #11 TEXAS A&M

The Center for Human Resources that is part of the Mays Business School and part of the Masters in Human Resources program at Texas A&M boasts a robust list of corporate sponsors including

AT&T
Baker Hughes Incorporated
Caterpillar Inc.
Chevron
CITGO Petroleum Corporation
ConocoPhillips
The Dow Chemical Company
Dynegy
El Paso Corporation
Exxon Mobil Corporation
Ford Motorland Service Corp.
GE
Halliburton
Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control
Marathon Oil Company
Raytheon Company
Shell Oil Company
Spectra Energy
Texas A&M University
*Caveat to the rankings...

The best advice to anyone pursuing a HR career is to study out the pros and cons of each choice and make the best individual decision. Sometimes this will come down to the availability of funding, other times it might come down to geographic presence. Fortunately, every one of these schools offers a program with over a 90% placement rate. Will some schools benefit you more in the long-run? -- In some case "YES" -- but in general people with deep business and financial accumen and a passion for HR will rise to the top. Best of luck in your endeavors and feel free to leave a comment if you have futher questions.

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作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-12 21:29

sleepyjoy 发表于 2014-5-11 23:06
我一直觉得HR比较好的学校就cornell, UMN, UIUC, MSU, RU这几所（这也基本上是公认的），OSU都没有被count ...

Hi sleepyjoy...謝謝你提供我這些資訊。我想這跟我原本的認知差不多，UMN在OB/HRM排名上應該比OSU好。不過，若加上我原本考量的狀況，有關"研究機會"，換作是你，你還會這樣建議嗎?謝謝你的意見...

作者: Seanyong 时间: 2014-5-12 21:55

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-12 21:29
Hi sleepyjoy...謝謝你提供我這些資訊。我想這跟我原本的認知差不多，UMN在OB/HRM排名上應該比OSU好。不 ...

根据前几届UMN学长学姐的说法，UMN的项目是偏向于工作的；相对来讲，fisher的班级规模小，和老师接触、交流的机会可能更多些，我个人感觉...

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-13 10:10

lorry想飞发表于 2014-5-11 17:41
刚回完发现你都录啦UMN啦！恭喜！。。我就酱油般的给UMN投个票吧。。

lorry 謝謝妳...後來你有錄取哪幾間呢?然後決定要去哪間念呢? 以後HR領域也可以多多聯絡^^

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-13 10:17

Seanyong 发表于 2014-5-12 21:55
根据前几届UMN学长学姐的说法，UMN的项目是偏向于工作的；相对来讲，fisher的班级规模小，和老师接触、交 ...

HI Seanyong, 是的。這也是我目前所得到的資訊，就班級人數來說，UMN稍微比OSU多一些，大概是6X比上5X吧! 因此，如同你所說的，在Fisher的小班級下，可能跟老師接觸的機會較多，而在Fisher裡面又可以選擇寫論文。在這兩個學位都是比較偏向實務的狀況下，Fisher的課程設計可能會對我博士班申請有幫助(在碩士班有研究機會)。當然，在UMN裡也不是完全不可能有研究機會，只不過還要到學校時再問看看，會比較不確定。

就碩士班的研究機會來說，應該要選OSU，但我現在擔心的是在申請博士班時，畢業的碩士班ranking是否也會有影響呢? 如果有的話，這就是我目前在考量的問題。UMN ranking較好，OSU比較有明確的研究機會。

你覺得呢? 感謝你....

作者: Seanyong 时间: 2014-5-13 10:54

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-13 10:17
HI Seanyong, 是的。這也是我目前所得到的資訊，就班級人數來說，UMN稍微比OSU多一些，大概是6X比上5X吧! ...

我是觉得，fisher商学院的reputation也是很好的，真的申请博士的话还是看这几年你做了什么，而不是ranking吧，ranking好，没研究经历也没用的，fisher总体的ranking和carlson也差不多

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-13 17:06

Seanyong 发表于 2014-5-13 10:54
我是觉得，fisher商学院的reputation也是很好的，真的申请博士的话还是看这几年你做了什么，而不是rankin ...

恩~是這樣說沒錯。不過UMN也不是完全沒研究機會...目前我有問到兩位助理教授說願意等我到美國時跟我聊聊我的研究興趣，雖然說Fisher也有位教授也是這樣回覆我的。我實在不確定哪邊可能的研究機會較多....

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-5-15 19:09

Seanyong 发表于 2014-5-13 10:54
我是觉得，fisher商学院的reputation也是很好的，真的申请博士的话还是看这几年你做了什么，而不是rankin ...

didi你直接问seanyong要是他他会选哪个吧。。我猜他和我的选择一样。要是你真的只看重研究机会，你应该去问小米具体的关于研究机会的问题吧

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-5-15 19:14

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-12 21:29
Hi sleepyjoy...謝謝你提供我這些資訊。我想這跟我原本的認知差不多，UMN在OB/HRM排名上應該比OSU好。不 ...

didi你直接问seanyong要是他他会选哪个吧。。我猜他和我的选择一样。要是你真的只看重研究机会，你应该去问小米具体的关于研究机会的问题吧。
要是UMN在你现在选择的时候可以给出明确答复给你研究机会，那不是更好。

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-16 09:42

sleepyjoy 发表于 2014-5-15 19:14
didi你直接问seanyong要是他他会选哪个吧。。我猜他和我的选择一样。要是你真的只看重研究机会，你应该去 ...

HI ..我有寫信給兩邊學校我有興趣的老師。兩邊的回答大概都是"We can chat about research interests and PhD programs then."或"I'd be happy to chat with you regarding possible research collaborations."....這樣的回答算是確定嗎?

作者: sasa花音 时间: 2014-5-16 22:10

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-16 09:42
HI ..我有寫信給兩邊學校我有興趣的老師。兩邊的回答大概都是"We can chat about research interests and ...

为什么不去检索一下两校论文研究的引用率、学术评分等信息呢？从我目前已知的，我想显然是UMN的研究实力更强。你要是想读PHD，应该去好的研究环境中努力，而不是去相对差的学术氛围stand out吧。那样有什么意思呢？

另外，建议你多和真正做research的人去讨论。

作者: sleepyjoy 时间: 2014-5-16 23:35

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-16 09:42
HI ..我有寫信給兩邊學校我有興趣的老師。兩邊的回答大概都是"We can chat about research interests and ...

不算吧。。你要她给个准信？

作者: zhengyy1314 时间: 2014-5-21 10:28
要读PHD就果断UMN。根本不需要犹豫的好嘛。UMN在HR的研究毋庸置疑，OSU在这方面是无法相提并论的

作者: Seanyong 时间: 2014-5-21 18:08

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-13 17:06
恩~是這樣說沒錯。不過UMN也不是完全沒研究機會...目前我有問到兩位助理教授說願意等我到美國時跟我聊聊 ...

大家的意见一边倒都UMN啊，看来还是UMN更好些

作者: sasa花音 时间: 2014-5-22 16:39

Seanyong 发表于 2014-5-21 18:08
大家的意见一边倒都UMN啊，看来还是UMN更好些

当然啊你不也是去UMN嘛

恭喜收获一名女同学啊

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-27 11:55

sleepyjoy 发表于 2014-5-15 19:09
didi你直接问seanyong要是他他会选哪个吧。。我猜他和我的选择一样。要是你真的只看重研究机会，你应该去 ...

很抱歉上周有點忙~拖到現在才回...
我這段期間都有和兩邊老師, 系辦, 以及兩校想念博士班的在校生有聯繫。也很謝謝你的建議，我有機會的話會詢問看看其他人的看法。

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-27 12:03

sasa花音发表于 2014-5-16 22:10
为什么不去检索一下两校论文研究的引用率、学术评分等信息呢？从我目前已知的，我想显然是UMN的研究实力 ...

我同意你所說的。這些事前功課我都有做，我想我們得到的資訊也是相同的~那就是UMN的研究實力更強。這項優勢，對博士生來說是一件很好的事情。但必須考慮的是學術氣氛強不等於讓身為碩士生的人有更多的"參與機會"。而我也從來沒計畫過要在學術氣氛比較弱的學校裡面stand out~我也知道當然要去學術研究氣息更強的學校來多磨練自己。不過，也請您多考量到我前面所提到的問題與狀況。若是單看排名就可以決定去哪間學校念的話，我想這個議題並沒有那麼複雜。

另外，也謝謝你的建議，我經常都有和在做research的人討論我的狀況。然而他們考量到我的狀況及需求後，有提到OSU可能比較適合我。也正因為有不同的聲音我才會想多聽聽這邊人的意見。

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-27 12:05

sleepyjoy 发表于 2014-5-16 23:35
不算吧。。你要她给个准信？

或許美國老師的作風是如此，我們或許不了解他們的文化。我想，既然連續幾位老師都是回復這樣的字眼，那應該就代表他們不習慣在見到學生以前就貿然說答應要讓你參與研究，而是應該要透過當面聊天討論進一步了解後才會做出決定。所以我才說因為這樣的狀況讓我覺得很不確定。

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-27 12:07

zhengyy1314 发表于 2014-5-21 10:28
要读PHD就果断UMN。根本不需要犹豫的好嘛。UMN在HR的研究毋庸置疑，OSU在这方面是无法相提并论的 ...

zhengyy1314 學長/學姊，您好。我知道UMN排名的確比較強，我也沒有懷疑過這件事。有關排名這件事我相信UMN很顯著地比較好。不過若您有看到我先前說明的狀況，我不知道您是否還會建議如此選擇?感謝您....

作者: didi0908 时间: 2014-5-27 12:12

Seanyong 发表于 2014-5-21 18:08
大家的意见一边倒都UMN啊，看来还是UMN更好些

我很感謝大家，當然也包括您，給予我的建議，而我也相信大家蒐集的資訊一定更加完善。無論我最後選擇UMN或OSU，我相信這兩間學校都是名聲相當好的。不過，或許我跟大多數的人想走的路不同，若我未來想申請博士班，我想還是要看我在這兩年間做的東西是否是突出且有吸引力的...真的也很感謝你的建議

作者: dovyzhu 时间: 2014-6-10 10:42

didi0908 发表于 2014-5-27 12:12
我很感謝大家，當然也包括您，給予我的建議，而我也相信大家蒐集的資訊一定更加完善。無論我最後選擇UMN ...

你好，请问你最后选择去哪一家了呢？

作者: EuniceLi 时间: 2017-3-2 12:30
看过您之前发过的帖子，今年您应该申请到博士了吧，我今年也和您面临相同的问题，硕士读完之后想读博士，那么想请问您当时选择了哪所学校呢？现在在哪里读博士呢？非常感谢！

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