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作者: yuanhaowen 时间: 2013-12-31 10:33
标题: 求问although的用法，跪谢啊啊啊
Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.
A. people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
B. people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
C. fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States's, their
D. the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
E. the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the

想请问一下although具体有哪些用法。需要句子的主语people和逻辑主语the death rates平行吗？如果这句话变成 the rates of consumption of fatty foods in France and the United States is about the same, the会不会更合理？

作者: yuanhaowen 时间: 2013-12-31 16:40
求各位大神解答啊

作者: nolanhym 时间: 2013-12-31 21:32
what is the official answer?

作者: yuanhaowen 时间: 2014-1-1 10:21

nolanhym 发表于 2013-12-31 21:32
what is the official answer?

The official answer is B.

作者: nolanhym 时间: 2014-1-1 12:32

yuanhaowen 发表于 2014-1-1 10:21
The official answer is B.

好吧因为我想确认我的想法是正确的再给出建议不然瞎指导了哈

关于although是否需要平行：完全不需要。

关于'the rates of ........, the....‘会不会更合理:不会

选择B很重要的一个原因在于：主动句〉被动句以及以名词形式来表示状态的句子结构

从句意上很简单就可以读出：选项B是最合理、容易理解的句子结构 people作主语来比较比直接比较rates好在更容易清晰表达句意简洁且明确

可以理解一下这个是所有SC的宗旨个人以为

作者: yuanhaowen 时间: 2014-1-1 14:04

nolanhym 发表于 2014-1-1 12:32
好吧因为我想确认我的想法是正确的再给出建议不然瞎指导了哈

关于although是否需要平行：完全不需要。 ...

非常感谢！

作者: MAGGIEHE1993 时间: 2014-1-9 09:11
Although是表示转折的连词，一般用在句首。我昨天看一道OG的题目发现他说Although最好是放在句首，因为放在句中的话会引进awkward的代词~Although后面要加完整的句子~还有这道题因为后面有代词their，所以句子的主语应该是人，而且后面的句意是把美国人和法国人的死亡率做对比，所以前面的主语应该是两个国家的人啦~希望对你有帮助哒

作者: itssuperoli 时间: 2016-9-14 17:23
这里的the／their 我也纠结了很久。终于想明白啦。
Although people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their death rates from heart disease are far lower in France.
A people in France consume fatty foods at a rate comparable to the United States, their
Comparable to前后不平行。前方一个rate 后方一个国家，杀
B people in France and the United States consume fatty foods at about the same rate, the
正确
C fatty foods are consumed by people in France at a comparable rate to the United States's, their
这道题主要是想表达人们在法国和人们在美国消耗同样数量的fatty food，但法国整体的心脏病发病率相比较美国整体的发病率低。their产生歧义的原因是，它把句意变成了“这一波人在法国时的发病率”与“这一波人在美国时的发病率”相互比较。这样就错了。
D the rate of fatty foods consumed in France and the United States is about the same, the
Done 去除之后，改变了句意，错。
E the rate of people consuming fatty foods is about the same in France and the United States, the
Doing 去除之后，改变了句意，错。

作者: itssuperoli 时间: 2016-9-14 17:26
de选项的详细解释是：介词＋名词＋doing／done形式出现的时候，想要验证它对不对，只需把done／doing结构去除，如果影响句意即是错的，不影响句意即是对的。
比如
I am afraid of the spiders sitting on the desk. 对
we laughed the because of tom walking into girls’ bathroom. 错
看doing 是修饰语还是核心想表达的内容。看doing 去了之后改变不改变句意。
如果是核心想表达的内容，不会用介词＋of＋doing ，而会用从句。
We laughed because tom walked into girls' bathroom.
我也是从一个老师那里学到的，琢磨透这道题之后就把解释upload上来，万一能帮助到别人也是好事一桩～～

作者: xyxyxy_123 时间: 2016-11-22 20:40

MAGGIEHE1993 发表于 2014-1-9 09:11
Although是表示转折的连词，一般用在句首。我昨天看一道OG的题目发现他说Although最好是放在句首，因为放在 ...

同意！

作者: Raycyn 时间: 2017-6-29 17:17

itssuperoli 发表于 2016-9-14 17:26
de选项的详细解释是：介词＋名词＋doing／done形式出现的时候，想要验证它对不对，只需把done／doing结构去 ...

同意！

作者: Power2Bowen 时间: 2017-9-23 11:37
这道题今天做错了。。。仔细想了一想，做一点贡献给CD。

首先这题的考点我个人认为有两个。
画线部分最后的their和the是第一个；their无指代，所以排除AC。
第二个考点是BDE的2-1splits，B的句首是people，DE的句首是the rate。从逻辑上出发看整个句子。although 后面跟rate其实逻辑是错误的。although the rate of blablabla, the death rates blablabla.
答案选B。

看了07年ron发的帖子。我觉得上述的理解更合理一些。

作者: cchennii 时间: 2017-9-29 13:08

Power2Bowen 发表于 2017-9-23 11:37
这道题今天做错了。。。仔细想了一想，做一点贡献给CD。

首先这题的考点我个人认为有两个。

有RON神发的帖子的链接吗？？
一直在纠结这道题

作者: 奥兰多铁杆球迷 时间: 2017-12-15 20:54

itssuperoli 发表于 2016-9-14 17:26
de选项的详细解释是：介词＋名词＋doing／done形式出现的时候，想要验证它对不对，只需把done／doing结构去 ...

同意！

作者: kira604 时间: 2018-7-23 16:45

itssuperoli 发表于 2016-9-14 17:26
de选项的详细解释是：介词＋名词＋doing／done形式出现的时候，想要验证它对不对，只需把done／doing结构去 ...

同意！

作者: lixiqi123 时间: 2018-7-31 15:55
我一直认为这道题有问题，应该是吃肉的人的比例，而不是肉被吃的速率。

作者: Brandon12 时间: 2018-11-18 21:34

MAGGIEHE1993 发表于 2014-1-9 09:11
Although是表示转折的连词，一般用在句首。我昨天看一道OG的题目发现他说Although最好是放在句首，因为放在 ...

同意！

作者: AMBER513 时间: 2019-9-8 09:33
看一下！

作者: AMBER513 时间: 2019-9-8 09:35

MAGGIEHE1993 发表于 2014-1-9 09:11
Although是表示转折的连词，一般用在句首。我昨天看一道OG的题目发现他说Although最好是放在句首，因为放在 ...

我一直以来也都觉得although后面只能加clause,可是今天看到了一个句子
Although covered in about 11 inches of snow, the runway was in acceptable condition during the emergency landing, according to aviation officials
就很困惑

作者: AMBER513 时间: 2019-9-8 09:40

AMBER513 发表于 2019-9-8 09:35
我一直以来也都觉得although后面只能加clause,可是今天看到了一个句子
Although covered in about 11 inc ...

啊我找到了RON的解释，贴上来大家可以一起看一看
1."although xxxx" ：
• if "(al)though xxxx" PRECEDES the sentence, then "xxxx" can be either a complete sentence or an adjective/modifier.
e.g.,
(Al)though James has never been formally trained in medicine, he is able to identify a wide variety of maladies.
("although" + complete sentence; precedes the main sentence)
also see OG SC problem #39 (can't reproduce here)

(Al)though not formally trained in medicine, James is able to identify a wide variety of maladies.
("although" + adjective-type modifier; precedes the main sentence)
also see OG SC problem #48 (can't reproduce here)

2. "although xxxx"
if "(al)though xxxx" INTERRUPTS the sentence, then "xxxx" should be only a modifier. in this case, "xxxx" should NOT be a complete sentence.

^^ this is something i discovered just now. despite trying, i wasn't able to make a good sentence that's interrupted by "(al)though + complete sentence". i can't guarantee that this is a "rule", though i can vouch for it with a reasonable degree of certainty.

e.g.,
if the interruption follows a noun, then you should have a modifier that describes the noun (adjective-type modifier):
Paula, though exhausted, managed to stay awake through her son's entire piano recital.

if the interruption follows a verb, you should have a modifier that describes the verb (adverb-type modifier):
Audrey just admitted, though inadvertently, how she really feels about her mother-in-law.

also see OG SC problem #36 (can't reproduce here)

3."although xxxx"
• if "although xxxx" FOLLOWS the sentence, then "xxxx" should be a complete sentence. in this case, "xxxx" should not be a modifier/adjective.

(i assume this construction is familiar enough to make examples unnecessary. if you need examples, just say so in a response)

^^ this one is what's relevant to the particular problem at hand. as with the idea above, this is another incidental "discovery" that i can't %100 guarantee is actually a "rule".

--

and here's the weirdest discovery of all: if "though" (NOT "although") follows the sentence, it IS allowed to introduce a modifier.
in this case, the modifier should be an adverb-type modifier; in other words, it should describe the entire action that precedes it.

e.g.,
I wear swimsuits often, though never for actual swimming; I just lie out in the sun.

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