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作者: windweed    时间: 2005-1-9 02:28
标题: [讨论]天山-4-30

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.


B: the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights


D the shuttle and earler spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights.


D 是对的.


我想确认一下with 的用法在B 中不是被排除的依据.


B 我认为with的修饰没有歧义, 错在sufficient和enough 重复了.


D 我记得只有人可以用be able to, can 来修饰.


   物体可以用be capable of doing 来修饰吗?


   


作者: lilyzy    时间: 2005-1-9 12:50

我觉得with在B中是不对的. 给人感觉它有修饰obiting space 的歧义.

我觉得人也可以用be capable of doing, 物也可以用be able to. 有时侯很难从这一点判断对错.


作者: 三脚猫    时间: 2005-1-9 13:13

同意lilyzy关于with 的看法


作者: windweed    时间: 2005-1-9 23:56

不同意两位对with的看法:

with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights

A 中的their决定了with修饰的不可能是obiting space station. 所以没有歧义.

Lilyzy, 我记得og多次提到物体不能用be able to修饰. 人是肯定能用be capable of 修饰的,但我不知道物体能不能. 之所以问这题,还有个原因如下:

gwd11-33题,在A E中大家举棋不定, 我在想如果be capable / have capabiltiy不能修饰物体的话, 就能顺利排除e了.

天山新题20-6.gwd-13-6.11-33, 天山5-6:

       After more than four decades of research and development, a new type of jet engine is being tested that could eventually propel aircraft anywhere in the world within two hours or help boost cargoes into space at significantly lower costs than current methods permit.

(A) tested that could eventually propel aircraft anywhere in the world within two or help

(E) tested, and it could eventually have the capability to propel aircraft anywhere in the world within two hours or help

open to discussion


作者: 三脚猫    时间: 2005-1-12 22:45
虽然windwee说的也很有道理,但我还是坚持with 的位置会产生岐义,前后都可能修饰,这个答案是不完美的
作者: lilyzy    时间: 2005-1-12 23:11

我觉得Windweed提出了很好的一点. 可是我觉得, with还是会有歧义. 而且their 没有clear referent.  their完全可以指代cells and batteries.

GWD的题E的错误是could 和have capability意思是重复.


作者: cicilla    时间: 2005-1-13 09:43

好像有enough的答案一般都不对(OG有出现enough,不过在未划线部分)。

be able to(人)优于be capable of(多用于人); be able to be done必错。

have ability to优于have capability to

can和be able to, be capable of, have ability to, have capability to等意思都一样,同时出现就是重复,必错。

感觉B的with在这里没有歧义,判断代词指代最重要的是逻辑意思,这里的逻辑意思很清晰,their指代的就是前面的the shuttle and earlier spacecraft


作者: windweed    时间: 2005-1-13 11:57

谢谢大家, 这两题我搞定了.


作者: bonojzk    时间: 2005-2-4 11:10
支持D
be capable of 可以用在物。
例如This tool machine is capable of being improved.

作者: josephcfan    时间: 2005-4-27 10:45

I just looked up the dictionary "Collins" ,which says " IF a person or a thing is capable of doing something, they have the ability to do it." ;

So, be capable of 可以用在人,亦可用在物上。


作者: daxia345    时间: 2005-6-23 14:40
B还有个错误,sufficient和enough语意重复
作者: sammaijgd    时间: 2005-9-19 17:23

我觉得B就是一个夹心结构,属于必错那类


凡是看见with结构,要小心对待啊


作者: illgetthere    时间: 2005-9-19 17:43
以下是引用sammaijgd在2005-9-19 17:23:00的发言:

我觉得B就是一个夹心结构,属于必错那类


凡是看见with结构,要小心对待啊


agree with引导的成分几乎都错,刚才在大全里也查了一下,得到了验证


作者: 爱睡觉的猫    时间: 2005-11-28 15:53

想问A 为什么不对 ,是因为WHICH 指代不清吗


作者: leiby1019    时间: 2005-12-5 10:51
以下是引用爱睡觉的猫在2005-11-28 15:53:00的发言:

想问A 为什么不对 ,是因为WHICH 指代不清吗



A中是把short flights与orbiting space station相比,不正确。short flights这里是短途飞行的意思。
作者: steveyangxt    时间: 2005-12-8 21:29
用with 会造成歧义。这种歧义是结构性的, 不能用代词的逻辑指代加以修复。gmat中不允许语法或逻辑任一种歧义的产生。
作者: 麦麦麦    时间: 2005-12-19 15:03
D 中WERE 对么?就是说发生在过去的,以前的,现在没了?
作者: fuyun    时间: 2005-12-22 01:27
以下是引用lilyzy在2005-1-12 23:11:00的发言:

我觉得Windweed提出了很好的一点. 可是我觉得, with还是会有歧义. 而且their 没有clear referent.  their完全可以指代cells and batteries.


GWD的题E的错误是could 和have capability意思是重复.


很有道理,还是which,修饰更准确,避免歧义


但是关于their的指代没有觉得有问题,逻辑意思完全可以判断是指spacecraft, 而且D选项中也用到their,如果有问题,这道题目就没有答案了


作者: gldp    时间: 2006-6-2 14:19

赐教,D选项中的划线部分为何不省略?

D.the shuttle and earlier spacecraft,which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries


作者: luckg    时间: 2006-8-21 13:03

请问such....that是正确的吗?

好像应该是so....that,所以一开始就把such.....that给排出了


作者: MaccMichAA    时间: 2006-10-15 14:16

顶呀顶


作者: MaccMichAA    时间: 2006-10-15 14:21

with这个点 好难...


作者: 期待蔚蓝    时间: 2006-11-9 17:04

谁能举一个with有歧义的例子啊???????????


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-11-9 17:25

讨论一下吧 哈

1。 with前面没有逗号,直接限定修饰中心词,一般不会引起歧义

og152. When the technique known as gene-splicing was invented in the early 1970's, it was feared that scien­tists might inadvertently create an "Andromeda strain," a microbe never before seen on Earth that might escape from the laboratory and it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it.

(A)  it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it

(B)  it might kill vast numbers of humans with no natural defenses against it

(C)  kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it

(D)
                    
kill vast numbers of humans who have no natu­ral defenses against them

(E)  kill vast numbers of humans with no natural defenses against them

这里with修饰没有歧义,但是限定修饰却出现问题。这里应该用who才对

2。with前面有逗号,就不一定修饰谁了,尤其是在句尾一定小心。所以出现with谨慎一下好

但是这道题就不会歧义

179. During the early years of European settlement on a continent that was viewed as "wilderness" by the newcomers. Native Americans, intimately knowing the ecology of the land. were a help in the rescuing of many Pilgrims and pioneers from hardship, or even death.

(A)  Native Americans, intimately knowing the ecology of the land, were a help in the rescuing of

(B)  Native Americans knew the ecology and the land intimately and this enabled them to help in the rescue of

(C)  Native Americans, with their intimate knowledge of the ecology of the land, helped to rescue

(D)
                    
having intimate knowledge of the ecology of the land. Native Americans helped the rescue of

(E)  knowing intimately the ecology of the land, Native Americans helped to rescue

with只能修饰NA


作者: ptr07    时间: 2006-12-29 04:04
A unlike A, B wrong
B same as A
C with can modify the shuttles.. or modify orbitting space
D corrrect
E same as A

作者: lb1900    时间: 2007-5-8 16:56
ding
作者: IceCo    时间: 2007-6-19 10:02
I think there is nothing wrong with the use of "with" in B. I think B is wrong because of the redundent diction: sufficient enough...

The power can be sufficient or the power can be enough but.... a power that is sufficient enough.... it just doesn't sound right. "Sufficient enough" just sounds like a extremely weak diction choice (even though capable of is weak too).
作者: ikkoku    时间: 2007-8-12 01:04
以下是引用晴天小狗在2006-11-9 17:25:00的发言:

讨论一下吧 哈

1。 with前面没有逗号,直接限定修饰中心词,一般不会引起歧义

og152. When the technique known as gene-splicing was invented in the early 1970's, it was feared that scien­tists might inadvertently create an "Andromeda strain," a microbe never before seen on Earth that might escape from the laboratory and it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it.

(A)  it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it

(B)  it might kill vast numbers of humans with no natural defenses against it

(C)  kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it

(D)
     
kill vast numbers of humans who have no natu­ral defenses against them

(E)  kill vast numbers of humans with no natural defenses against them

这里with修饰没有歧义,但是限定修饰却出现问题。这里应该用who才对

2。with前面有逗号,就不一定修饰谁了,尤其是在句尾一定小心。所以出现with谨慎一下好

但是这道题就不会歧义

179. During the early years of European settlement on a continent that was viewed as "wilderness" by the newcomers. Native Americans, intimately knowing the ecology of the land. were a help in the rescuing of many Pilgrims and pioneers from hardship, or even death.

(A)  Native Americans, intimately knowing the ecology of the land, were a help in the rescuing of

(B)  Native Americans knew the ecology and the land intimately and this enabled them to help in the rescue of

(C)  Native Americans, with their intimate knowledge of the ecology of the land, helped to rescue

(D)
     
having intimate knowledge of the ecology of the land. Native Americans helped the rescue of

(E)  knowing intimately the ecology of the land, Native Americans helped to rescue

with只能修饰NA

的确很多GMAT的题目里,with都有夹心修饰错误,但一到自己做题的时候就很难意识到。24楼总结非常好,谢谢。
作者: mimixiaxia    时间: 2007-9-4 14:09
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作者: xiaoda    时间: 2008-6-15 15:36
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作者: 夜凉如水    时间: 2008-8-1 15:26

sufficient与enough重复


作者: yklinsmann    时间: 2008-8-7 18:18

请问这道题选项D里为什么用were而不是用was? 急死了,问了半天了


作者: SuccessMBA08    时间: 2008-9-8 12:22
因为是shuttle and earlier spacecraft,两个名词组成的复合名词,用复数!!
作者: kongkong57    时间: 2009-7-17 22:07
thanks
作者: suzy2728    时间: 2009-8-18 20:58

with似乎也有可能是用来修饰前面的shuttle和spacecraft的,但是根据答案和句子本身推断,which后的一串应该是修饰spacecraft的吧

so the answer is D


作者: feir2004    时间: 2010-3-31 11:00
做比较题习惯了,看到unlike就想到比较对象对等问题,当看到 the shuttle and earlier spacecraft和 a  permanently orbiting space station时,想了半天他们是不是对等的,可是当看到the flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft 和a  permanently orbiting space station 时觉得更不可能对等,才排除了A/C/E. 答案虽然选了D,可是还是没想明白the shuttle and earlier spacecraft和 a  permanently orbiting space station真的对等吗?




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