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作者: thesuperleo 时间: 2013-10-6 23:54
标题: og13 SC-105
Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.
A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

Answer: C

OG上说C选项"An active verb makes the first clause more concise; it in the second clause clearly referers to the radio".
怎么看出c中的instead, it has become这个 it 指的是radio? 前面先行词还有telephone, private conversation啊,为什么it一定指radio?根据就近一致原则,it可能指代telephnoe啊?求助牛牛.

作者: thesuperleo 时间: 2013-10-7 01:55
自己顶一个,大家帮帮忙啊!没有人知道么? >_<

作者: chongyini 时间: 2013-10-7 08:11
之前这个题也是困惑我很久的，我觉得吧
如果这样Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool that could substitute for the telephone for private conversation，that后面的部分太长所以要后置
来看下面这个题：
OG-13-126
The use of lie detectors is based on the assumption that lying produces emotional reactions in an individual that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses.
A that, in turn, create unconscious physiological responses
B that creates unconscious physiological responses in turn
C creating, in turn, unconscious physiological responses
D to create, in turn, physiological responses that are unconscious
E who creates unconscious physiological responses in turn
选A，开始我选B,that就指individual，就近原则怎么会有错！可是理解了句子就知道不是这个意思了：lying→reactions→responses
要根据语义。
我觉着有时候做题会陷入一种误区，只凭着就近原则就直接排除选项，这是不对的，一开始我也是很纠结这个问题，it 指代谁也不可能指代radio啊，看到这个解释
“that不一定紧跟所修饰名词，事实上在GMAT考题中确实有一些题选择的就是不直接跟所修饰名词，这不是一个语法范畴的错误，只是说和紧跟的情况相比，没有那么好而已。”

作者: thesuperleo 时间: 2013-10-7 09:55
嗯,从句意看句子Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, ithas become precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience. 这个 it 确实是指代radio而不是telephone.你举的例子里的that也是指代emotional reactions而不是an individual. 明白了,谢谢啊亲.

作者: wsywsywsy 时间: 2013-10-7 11:22
翻译：
M设想无线电会是一种私人交流工具，这个可以替代电话，然而，无线电会恰恰相反，它变成一种大众交流的工具；
句式：
Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool ….; instead, it has become ….
思路：
固定搭配和逻辑表达；
选项：
IT指代conception；
A tool应该修饰radio，但位置上却修饰telephone；But后的which无指代对象；but前后不平行；
正确；
conceived of…to be…用法错误；which修饰telephone，逻辑错误；
conceived of…to be…用法错误；which修饰telephone，逻辑错误；
引申：
Conceive的用法
conceive的固定搭配
(cannot) conceive of (doing) something
conceive that （不用虚拟语气）
conceive of something/somebody as something
conceive what/why/how etc
conceive sth. (such as idea)
2）other than = With the exception of; except (for); besides

作者: thesuperleo 时间: 2013-10-7 12:21
明白了,谢谢版大~

作者: chongyini 时间: 2013-10-7 14:03

thesuperleo 发表于 2013-10-7 09:55
嗯,从句意看句子Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitu ...

刚才看到这个解释：“that作定语从句引导词的时候是就近修饰最好了，但是大前提是不要跳过动词就可以了，这里没有跳过谓语是可以对的。就近修饰是为了避免歧义。”
我觉得很对~

作者: Indigolove 时间: 2013-10-22 12:34
Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is precisely the opposite, a tool for communicating with a large, public audience.

A. Marconi’s conception of the radio was as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation; instead, it is
B. Marconi conceived of the radio as a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, but which is
C. Marconi conceived of the radio as a tool for private conversation that could substitute for the telephone; instead, it has become
D. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a tool for private conversation, a substitute for the telephone, which has become
E. Marconi conceived of the radio to be a substitute for the telephone, a tool for private conversation, other than what it is,

Let's rewrite this sentence: Miss Sixty's skinny jeans were as a man-made skin that could substitute for the skin; instead, they have become the opposite, a second skin of human beings.

B, D, E are weird, because the using of modifiers like which.
And E I don't it is talking about, so we choose C

作者: zhudanqing 时间: 2013-10-25 01:40
我刚做了2遍OG加总结，感觉是，语义第一，语法次之；有些绝对的语法硬伤错误可用来排除选项。
但是诸如：指代是否产生歧义，时态用什么会更好等等我觉得要比较选项再斟酌~~~

作者: wlc思语 时间: 2014-7-5 18:31

wsywsywsy 发表于 2013-10-7 11:22
翻译：
M设想无线电会是一种私人交流工具，这个可以替代电话，然而，无线电会恰恰相反，它变成一种大众交流 ...

弱弱的问一句，这里which不可以跳跃修饰tool么？把for private conversation看作介词修饰语，然后tool和ratio又是同位语，所以which不就相当于修饰了ratio么。。。为啥说which无指代对象呀。。。谢谢大神们！求解答！

作者: mengzj 时间: 2014-8-16 14:12

wlc思语发表于 2014-7-5 18:31
弱弱的问一句，这里which不可以跳跃修饰tool么？把for private conversation看作介词修饰语，然后tool和r ...

manhattan里面说 which要遵循touch原则的，就是which一定是指代它前面那个词的~就我做题来看也是一直遵循这个原则的。
所以这里不可以跳跃到tool

个人想法，还请指正

作者: zincgirl 时间: 2014-9-5 15:44
谢谢谢谢

作者: 笑小笑小蚂蚁 时间: 2014-9-26 19:56

wsywsywsy 发表于 2013-10-7 11:22
翻译：
M设想无线电会是一种私人交流工具，这个可以替代电话，然而，无线电会恰恰相反，它变成一种大众交流 ...

为什么C选项中that 可以跳跃指代the radio，，which就不能跳跃指代了呢

作者: emmapotter 时间: 2014-9-29 16:50

笑小笑小蚂蚁发表于 2014-9-26 19:56
为什么C选项中that 可以跳跃指代the radio，，which就不能跳跃指代了呢

又看了 Manhattan 才明确，Manhattan中很确定的说 which 必须要就近指代，而it，that并没有说要完全符合就近指代，所以看来应该是 it，that 最好能就近指代，但是若在违背语义的情况下，可以考虑不就近指代。

作者: 笑小笑小蚂蚁 时间: 2014-9-29 21:46

emmapotter 发表于 2014-9-29 16:50
又看了 Manhattan 才明确，Manhattan中很确定的说 which 必须要就近指代，而it，that并没有说要完全符合 ...

2、跳跃修饰在前有“核心词+介词、分词等修饰结构”或者插入语的情况下，which跳跃修饰前面的核心词，不能修饰紧邻的名词。

看下面例子
1.OG12-26
Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumbering her letters to anyone else.

A,Dickinson were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumberin

B,Dickinson were written over a period that begins a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ended shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber

C,Dickinson, written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and that ends shortly before Emily’s death in 1886and outnumbering

D,Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother, ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, and outnumbering

E,Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber
答案是E,这句话的which不能修饰其紧邻的名词Susan Huntington Dickinson，必须跳过介词结构to…，修饰核心词letter。

作者: emmapotter 时间: 2014-9-30 11:56

笑小笑小蚂蚁发表于 2014-9-29 21:46
2、跳跃修饰在前有“核心词+介词、分词等修饰结构”或者插入语的情况下，which跳跃修饰前面的核心词，不 ...

which 除了考虑要就近指代，还要记得 which不能修饰人，而且可以根据 which were 判断出which指代的必须是复数，所以可知which指代的是 letters，看来总是离不开（ rules + meaning）的方法呀

不过，我突然想到一个问题：E简化后就是：outnumber 的主语是 letters，但是前面并没有出现 letters，而简化后的主语是Dickinson，那letters 这个要根据 meaning来判断吗？

作者: 笑小笑小蚂蚁 时间: 2014-9-30 16:17

emmapotter 发表于 2014-9-30 11:56
which 除了考虑要就近指代，还要记得 which不能修饰人，而且可以根据 which were 判断出which指代的必须 ...

亲，不是喔。你看正确的句子是
Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson, which were written over a period beginning a few years before Susan’s marriage to Emily’s brother and ending shortly before Emily’s death in 1886, outnumber her letters to anyone else.
which不能指代人，所以肯定是指代前面的letters. 这个定语从句可以看出成是一个插入语，去掉which从句，剩下的就是 Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson outnumber her letters to anyone else.这个句子的主语就是letters哦。后面的 to Susan Huntington Dickinson是定语

作者: emmapotter 时间: 2014-9-30 19:52

笑小笑小蚂蚁发表于 2014-9-30 16:17
亲，不是喔。你看正确的句子是
Emily Dickinson’s letters to Susan Huntington Dickinson, which were ...

哦对对对，我傻了，我把划线句子当成整个句子了，谢啦

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