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作者: mxy_007 时间: 2013-6-15 15:10
标题: 求教OG 13 107 比较中for的用法
While it costs about the same to run nuclear plants as other types of power plants, it is the fixed costs that stem from building nuclear plants that makes it more expensive for them to generate electricity.

A. While it costs about the same to run nuclear plants as other types of power plants, it is the fixed costs that stem from building nuclear plants that makes it more expensive for them to generate electricity.
B While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as for other types of power plants, the fixed costs that stem from building nuclear plants make the electricity they generate more expensive.
C. Even though it costs about the same to run nuclear plants as for other types of power plants, it is the fixed costs that stem from building nuclear plants that makes the electricity they generate more expensive.
D. It costs about the same to run nuclear plants as for other types of power plants, whereas the electricity they generate is more expensive, stemming from the fixed costs of building nuclear plants.
E. The cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as other types of power plants, but the electricity they generate is made more expensive because of the fixed costs stemming from building nuclear plants.

求教这里面的for是跟as前面的哪一项平行呢？

作者: enkyklios 时间: 2013-6-15 18:23
While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as that for other types of power plants

作者: fred28 时间: 2013-6-15 20:03

enkyklios 发表于 2013-6-15 18:23
While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as that for other types of power plants

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为什么不是that of 而是that for？

作者: enkyklios 时间: 2013-6-15 20:31

fred28 发表于 2013-6-15 20:03
为什么不是that of 而是that for？

少年；
学而不思则惘，of和for的区别可以自己查一下词典啊，想想看为什么不能？

作者: fred28 时间: 2013-6-15 20:42

enkyklios 发表于 2013-6-15 20:31
少年；
学而不思则惘，of和for的区别可以自己查一下词典啊，想想看为什么不能？ ...

我懂了。。。是比较对象的问题。。。如果是of 的话比较的就是运营核工厂的成本与其他工厂的成本一样了。。而句子想要表达的是运营核工厂的成本跟运营其他的工厂的成本是一样的。。做题的时候光想着parallelism，而忘记比较的对象了。。。

作者: enkyklios 时间: 2013-6-15 20:47

fred28 发表于 2013-6-15 20:42
我懂了。。。是比较对象的问题。。。如果是of 的话比较的就是运营核工厂的成本与其他工厂的成本一样了。 ...

完全正确。
无数人在谈论平行，平行真有那么重要吗？

作者: fred28 时间: 2013-6-15 21:03

enkyklios 发表于 2013-6-15 20:47
完全正确。
无数人在谈论平行，平行真有那么重要吗？

比起意思的表达平行的却没那么重要了。谢谢解答：）

作者: mxy_007 时间: 2013-6-15 21:09

enkyklios 发表于 2013-6-15 18:23
While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as that for other types of power plants

...

谢谢解答，也就是说答案里省略了一个that？没有that确实很难理解

作者: abc791201064 时间: 2013-6-15 21:28
感谢帖子哈哈我也懂了

作者: alaleiLALA 时间: 2013-10-6 17:24

fred28 发表于 2013-6-15 20:42
我懂了。。。是比较对象的问题。。。如果是of 的话比较的就是运营核工厂的成本与其他工厂的成本一样了。 ...

我还是每太看懂这块比较对象有什么不一样。。。

作者: flhuihui1001 时间: 2013-11-14 20:49
不懂求教，，，补充出来的that在这里指代什么啊？

作者: bjzhengkai 时间: 2013-12-9 06:11
While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as costs for other types of power plants
=While the cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as costs of running other types of power plants

所以costs for = costs of running

作者: dennis2k 时间: 2014-1-20 16:46

fred28 发表于 2013-6-15 20:42
我懂了。。。是比较对象的问题。。。如果是of 的话比较的就是运营核工厂的成本与其他工厂的成本一样了。 ...

用中文来讲有一点绕，加上LS的表达就更加清楚了。
感谢各位大神。

作者: DreamerHan 时间: 2014-7-5 19:43

fred28 发表于 2013-6-15 20:42
我懂了。。。是比较对象的问题。。。如果是of 的话比较的就是运营核工厂的成本与其他工厂的成本一样了。 ...

谢谢懂了哈还是要从语义上看但为什么OG说D选项中的“for”是redundant，而E选项"for" is necessary呢求NN指点

作者: mmmmmignon 时间: 2015-1-24 18:24

enkyklios 发表于 2013-6-15 20:47
完全正确。
无数人在谈论平行，平行真有那么重要吗？

大神想知道为什么这里的cost for=the cost of running

作者: mmmmmignon 时间: 2015-1-24 18:49

mmmmmignon 发表于 2015-1-24 18:24
大神想知道为什么这里的cost for=the cost of running

找到答案了~When you are dealing with ellipsis, it always helps to begin from the completely expanded version with all the words and then move your way to the abbreviated version by applying ellipsis along the way. I will do the same here:

Let's consider only the pertinent portion of the sentence.

1. The cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as the cost of running other types of power plants.
No issues here with the comparison. Both sides of the comparison are grammatically and logically parallel.

Now what if I replace "the cost of running" with "that". After it is obvious that we are comparing cost of running of the two categories of plants. But when I apply this ellipsis, I need something to connect "that" with "other types of power plants".

2. (Without connection with that)
The cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as that other types of power plants. WRONG

2. (with correct connection)
The cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as that for other types of power plants.
So this is where the preposition "for" comes from.

Now we continue with our ellipsis. We can indeed even omit "that" from here since this omission will not lead to any ambiguity.

3. The cost of running nuclear plants is about the same as for other types of power plants.

So this is how I get to the correct sentence containing "for".

Now let's apply the same on the set of sentences:
1. The incidence of the disease among men exceeds the incidence of the disease among women.
1 to 2 - The incidence of the disease among men exceeds the incidence of the disease among women.
2. The incidence of the disease among men exceeds the incidence among women.
2 to 3 - The incidence of the disease among men exceeds the incidence among women.
3. The incidence of the disease among men exceeds that among women.

作者: mmmmmignon 时间: 2015-1-24 18:50
So the key thing here is that as you replace or omit words, think about what connections you may need to get the correct sentence. The nature of the two sentences is different. In the Official sentence, the main component - cost of running - took direct object without the need of any preposition. So when we replaced this with "that" we needed a connection - i.e. a preposition. However, in the other example, the main component - incidence of the disease - itself needed a preposition to connect to the object and hence when we replaced it with "that" we did not need to get another preposition.

Thus when you cross-check your work in ellipsis, start from the complete sentence and then work your way to simplified version with replacement words and omitted words.

作者: iin1101 时间: 2015-7-4 21:31

mmmmmignon 发表于 2015-1-24 18:49
找到答案了~When you are dealing with ellipsis, it always helps to begin from the completely expand ...

同意！

作者: elisepoon 时间: 2016-8-3 21:45

mmmmmignon 发表于 2015-1-24 18:49
找到答案了~When you are dealing with ellipsis, it always helps to begin from the completely expand ...

这个解释太好了！翻到这个旧帖豁然开朗了，谢谢！

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