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作者: pengh    时间: 2004-12-24 08:53
标题: [求助]天山-3-32

Q32.


What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?


(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,


(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


How do solve this question?



作者: lapoo    时间: 2004-12-24 09:14

这题对吗?

题意可知,设:

1.)   X=12n+5

2.)   X=18m+7

则12n+5=18m+7, 那么可得:  3(2n-3m)=1,  n,m 均为自然数,前式无解。。。。。。。


作者: lapoo    时间: 2004-12-24 09:22

如果条件2改成:


(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 17.


则:the remainder when X is divided by 8 is 7.


如果条件1改成:


(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 15.


此题仍然无解。


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作者: pengh    时间: 2004-12-24 09:40

Thank you very much!

The answer is E: Both together are not enough.


作者: Maggieyin    时间: 2005-1-3 07:15

我的题目和你不一样,如下:

Q32:
What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?
(1) When x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
(2) When x is divided by 18, the remainder is 11.

因此, 我选C。

x=12a+5=18b+11

当a=2, b=1, x=29.

请讨论。
  


作者: charmant    时间: 2005-1-3 10:09
以下是引用Maggieyin在2005-1-3 7:15:00的发言:

我的题目和你不一样,如下:


Q32:
What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?
(1) When x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
(2) When x is divided by 18, the remainder is 11.


因此, 我选C。


x=12a+5=18b+11


当a=2, b=1, x=29.


请讨论。
  


a=5

b=3

x=65同样成立


作者: Maggieyin    时间: 2005-1-3 11:50

谢谢!

糊涂。


作者: bobwangwb    时间: 2005-2-18 15:49
以下是引用pengh在2004-12-24 8:53:00的发言:

Q32.


What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?


(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,


(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


How do solve this question?

有没有其他算法啊?
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作者: cicilla    时间: 2005-2-18 16:02

Q32.
What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?
(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,
(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.

可以尝试去写出X的通项:X=36m+Y  这里的Y是X能够取得最小的数,由12n+5=18m+7中,n,m最小的值决定。但是n=(9m+1)/6  可以看出n,m没有整数解。所以无解。选择E

同理:

What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?

(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,

(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 11.

X通项是:X=36m+29

除以8:余数有几个不同的值,所以选E

bobwangwb: 题目问的是余数的数值是否可以求出来,不是说能不能整除。



作者: bobwangwb    时间: 2005-2-18 16:23

谢谢cicilla,帮我解了不少题。

祝你考试顺利!


作者: xulijun    时间: 2005-2-19 20:57

条件1:x=12m+5  x=8m+4m+5   当m=1(奇数),余数为1,当m=2(偶数)时,m=5

条件2:x=18n+7 x=16n+2n+7   当m=1(奇数)时,余数为1,当m=2(偶数时,m=3

所以条件1和条件2可以推出,余数为1


作者: perfume_qq    时间: 2005-4-12 15:02







































































































ab=(2*a-1)/3c=12*a+5d=18*b+11MOD(C6,8)
2129295
5365651
851011015
1171371371
1491731735
17112092091
20132452455
23152812811
26173173175
29193533531
32213893895
35234254251
38254614615

answer should be E, coz the reminder could be either 1 or 5.


I just used EXCEL to prove my hypothsis, since I gotta the equation 2*a=3*b+1, thus each ai should be 3 greater than a (i-1). thus for each integer Ni, which equal to 12*ai+5, should be 36 greater than N(i-1). coz, 36 is not devidable by 8.  the reminder could be compound.


and I used EXCEL to prove my solution. Yes, there are two probabilities.


THIS QUESTION IS SUCK


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作者: IDAISY    时间: 2005-4-29 23:03
以下是引用pengh在2004-12-24 8:53:00的发言:

Q32.


What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?


(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,


(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.


How do solve this question?


条件1和2是矛盾的,不可能有一个x同时满足

如果条件2是, ......remainder is 11, 那么同时满足1和2的数字,其被8除的余数不唯一,所以选E


作者: tqbiao    时间: 2005-5-8 18:12
以下是引用IDAISY在2005-4-29 23:03:00的发言:


条件1和2是矛盾的,不可能有一个x同时满足

如果条件2是, ......remainder is 11, 那么同时满足1和2的数字,其被8除的余数不唯一,所以选E


显然你的观点不正确,你看看前面有个cicilla  mm的回答非常精彩!


作者: 今天你OG了吗    时间: 2005-5-18 07:09
以下是引用cicilla在2005-2-18 16:02:00的发言:

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可以尝试去写出X的通项:X=36m+Y  这里的Y是X能够取得最小的数,由12n+5=18m+7中,n,m最小的值决定。但是n=(9m+1)/6  可以看出n,m没有整数解。所以无解。选择E


同理:


What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?


(1) when x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5,


(2) when x is divided by 18, the remainder is 11.


X通项是:X=36m+29


除以8:余数有几个不同的值,所以选E


bobwangwb: 题目问的是余数的数值是否可以求出来,不是说能不能整除。




X通项是:X=36m+29是怎么推出来了?哪位高人说说. 谢谢!!


作者: zcao2    时间: 2005-6-20 06:26
Same question -X通项是:X=36m+29是怎么推出来了?
作者: zcao2    时间: 2005-6-21 00:59
UP!!!
作者: WalkByFaith    时间: 2005-7-3 08:39

请问cicilla:


1.you said: 但是n=(9m+1)/6  可以看出n,m没有整数解。所以无解??


2. you said:


除以8:余数有几个不同的值,所以选E.


怎么理解呢?


作者: WalkByFaith    时间: 2005-7-3 08:44
能否请cicilla说详细些, 先谢谢了.
作者: WalkByFaith    时间: 2005-7-3 08:52

请问NN:


1. 但是n=(9m+1)/6  可以看出n,m没有整数解。所以无解??


if 有整数解, 就有解??


if so, why?



作者: smalltree    时间: 2005-8-17 04:00

up, up!


NN help ....how to sovle such kind of question? Xianxieguole!!!


作者: windlake    时间: 2005-8-18 12:27
以下是引用xulijun在2005-2-19 20:57:00的发言:

条件1:x=12m+5  x=8m+4m+5   当m=1(奇数),余数为1,当m=2(偶数)时,m=5


条件2:x=18n+7 x=16n+2n+7   当n=1时,余数为1,当n=2时,余3,n=3,余5


(直接改了,xulijun请别介意)


所以条件1和条件2可以推出,余数为1。5


这个方法是万能的,我就是用这个方法算的,可惜xulijun没解完,


条件2继续下去,当n=3时,余数为5,


条件1与条件2的交集是1,5,不唯一,故而选E


这个方法可以解所有的这类题,36m+n的说法有许多不足,因为36的因子有2和3,而8与3是没有交集的,这种方法更适用于单一因子,比如,被8m+n,被2。4除,都余n。


讨论请继续!


作者: WalkByFaith    时间: 2005-8-29 05:11

To windlake:


you haven't finished it, either.


Q32:
What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?
(1) When x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
(2) When x is divided by 18, the remainder is 7.



条件1:x=12m+5  x=8m+4m+5   当m=1(奇数),余数为1,当m=2(偶数)时,m=5


条件2:x=18n+7 x=16n+2n+7   当n=1时,余数为1,当n=2时,余3,n=3,余5


when n=4, 余7


所以条件1和条件2可以推出,余数为 1, 3.


Furthermore, in TS, this item should be:


Q32:
What is the remainder when the positive integer x is divided by 8?
(1) When x is divided by 12, the remainder is 5.
(2) When x is divided by 18, the remainder is 11


therefore, by using your method:


条件1:x=12m+5  x=8m+4m+5   当m=1(奇数),余数为1,当m=2(偶数)时,m=5


条件2:y=18n+11 y=16n+2n+11   当n=1时,余数为5,当n=2时,余7,n=3,余1, when n=4, 余3,when n=5, 余5, when n=6, 余7,when n=7, 余1, when n=8, 余3 so on and so forth


therefore,


条件1与条件2的交集是1,5,not唯一,故而选e. Great idea, though.


open to discuss....


作者: WalkByFaith    时间: 2005-8-29 05:44

if 条件1与条件2的交集是5,say, 唯一,will you choose C?


OR,


we need to confirm whether X is the same number?


otherwise, still can not satisfy both of them, right?


作者: riverhouse    时间: 2005-9-23 09:58
cicila is good!
作者: 爱无伤    时间: 2005-10-13 10:04

明白了,谢谢~



作者: hhjc    时间: 2007-10-22 21:37
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