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作者: winnie    时间: 2004-12-20 18:04
标题: og 239

og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.


(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of


(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or


(C) to monitor changes in the populations of


(D) that monitors population changes of


(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or


C is the best choice.  


og解释:population changes in B is less precise than changes in population. Why?


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作者: winnie    时间: 2004-12-21 17:22

作者: bryan0806    时间: 2004-12-21 17:31
我覺得 像changes , increases 這樣的名詞 形容哪方面的改變 通常都加in , of , for 等

這樣 N+N 的修飾 除非是專有名詞  要不然 如果有 加 in , of , for的通常先選

而且 B還有個致命錯誤  as many ----redundant


作者: Novena    时间: 2005-2-22 19:29

原文中是 as many as, or more than ,虽然OG解释说这种用法wordy,答案C选项的确很简洁,但感觉比原文的意思少了什么

谁能帮我解释一下?


作者: wwwhahchn    时间: 2005-2-22 20:44

我覺得changes in the populations of more than 250 bird species和population changes of more than 250 bird species,兩者的意思是不一樣的。changes in the populations of more than 250 bird species:250多種鳥數量的變化;population changes of more than 250 bird species:population好像是脩飾changes的,感覺population changes成暸一個專用的名詞。

原文中是 as many as, or more than ,虽然OG解释说这种用法wordy,答案C选项的确很简洁,但感觉比原文的意思少了什么

先不攷慮原文的意思,單從語法角度來看,ABDE都有錯誤,排除,不能總是把A默認為正確的意思。既然正確答案的意思是more than,那么as many as, or more than的說法自然是wordy嘍^_^


作者: Novena    时间: 2005-2-28 19:31

谢谢楼上JJ咯

我经常犯这种错误呢,老是在改变原文含义的选项和不明显的语法错误之间挣扎。。。。。。

看来还没练出火眼金睛,需要继续努力。。。。。。。:


作者: peajack    时间: 2005-4-27 22:22
以下是引用Novena在2005-2-22 19:29:00的发言:

原文中是 as many as, or more than ,虽然OG解释说这种用法wordy,答案C选项的确很简洁,但感觉比原文的意思少了什么


谁能帮我解释一下?我觉得:og说法,as ..as 和 than 不同时出现。只用一个。可以参考og266


作者: winnie    时间: 2005-4-28 14:18

population changes of more than 250 bird species:如果population有形容词作用,那么of more than 250 bird species就成了修饰中心词changes,但逻辑上应该修饰population。

peajack:

more than是大于等于的意思,as many as是它的子集,确实没有少什么。


作者: actu    时间: 2005-4-28 14:41

另外一個相關的。請特別注意括號內的解釋。

161. A wildlife expert predicts that the reintroduction of the caribou into northern Minnesota would tail if the density of the timber wolf population in that region is more numerous than one wolf for every 39 square miles.

(A)  would fail if the density of the timber wolf population in that region is more numerous than

(B)  would fail provided the density of the timber wolf population in that region is more than

(C)  should fail if the timber wolf density in that region was greater than

(D)  will fail if the density of the timber wolf population in that region is greater than

(E)   will fail if the timber wolf density in that region were more numerous than

D, the best choice, uses a correct sequence of present and future indicative verb forms--predicts, will fail, and is--in the three related clauses. Density, an abstract "mass" noun, is logically construed with greater than. In A and B, would fail disagrees with the other verbs in tense and mood. Choice A misconstrues density with more numerous than, and B uses the pretentious and illogical word provided for ifm a conditional clause after a negative idea (would fail). C's should fail and was are confusing and inconsistent with predicts. C and E use the absurd phrase timber wolf density. (The wolves are not dense; their population is dense.) E also uses an inconsistent subjunctive form, were, and misconstrues density with more numerous than.


作者: winnie    时间: 2005-4-28 16:10

同意actu。

所以此类问题应该从修饰准确性的角度考虑,才能从根本上解释为何“名词修饰名词不优选”。


作者: 小葵    时间: 2005-4-28 22:07

修饰的问题+as...as完整性


作者: tony0825    时间: 2007-8-19 14:34
以下是引用Novena在2005-2-22 19:29:00的发言:

原文中是 as many as, or more than ,虽然OG解释说这种用法wordy,答案C选项的确很简洁,但感觉比原文的意思少了什么

谁能帮我解释一下?

我也想问这个问题


作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-30 23:49

个人认为:       population changes of more than 250 bird species  既可以指这两百多种鸟总数量的变化,也可以是这两百多种鸟各自种群的数量变化,

而changes in populations of more than 250 bird species 就仅仅只能表示各自种群的数量变化,  没有了歧义

所以OG说:Changes in the populations of is clearer than population changes of.

大家认为是这样的吗?考证中...


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2008-11-17 23:51
以下是引用winnie在2005-4-28 14:18:00的发言:

population changes of more than 250 bird species:如果population有形容词作用,那么of more than 250 bird species就成了修饰中心词changes,但逻辑上应该修饰population。

peajack:

more than是大于等于的意思,as many as是它的子集,确实没有少什么。

JJ,are you kidding me?


作者: mcwEnquxiN    时间: 2008-12-9 22:37
以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言:

og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

撇开use...to do这个idiom不说,为什么OG11说"of as many as, or of " is wordy???原文没有表示比较的意思么?还有那个or of单个拿出来不能这么用么,(连词+介词,不能用???)

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

OG11说DE两项that has no reference, that要有reference是做什么词,关系代词或副词,有没有简单的例句呀?还是that指代先行词???

C is the best choice.  


谢谢哈  哪位神仙给解释解释


作者: 萍踪侠影    时间: 2008-12-9 22:45
以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言:

og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

C is the best choice.  

og解释:population changes in B is less precise than changes in population.
                
Why?


注意题目后面的more than 250 bird species,这里说明不同的species有不同的population,从而有不同的changes,因此C的意思更明确。

另外,population changes的意思倾向于变化的数量,而changes in populations更倾向于数量的变化,概念有些不同。


作者: 萍踪侠影    时间: 2008-12-9 22:57
以下是引用mcwEnquxiN在2008-12-9 22:37:00的发言:

谢谢哈  哪位神仙给解释解释

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

撇开use...to do这个idiom不说,为什么OG11说"of as many as, or of " is wordy???原文没有表示比较的意思么?还有那个or of单个拿出来不能这么用么,(连词+介词,不能用???) **Wordy的意思是读着都觉得拗口,呵呵。至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。连词+介词是可以用的,但怎样用要看场合,这在平行的题中经常见到。

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

OG11说DE两项that has no reference, that要有reference是做什么词,关系代词或副词,有没有简单的例句呀?还是that指代先行词???**that前面的词是annual roadside counts,逻辑上讲that应该指代annual roadside counts,但是后面的动词monitor不可能是annual roadside counts发出来的,因此,that缺少指代对象,即是没有reference的意思。


作者: mcwEnquxiN    时间: 2008-12-9 23:50
恩  鼓掌鼓掌  谢谢你滴帮助哈...
就是还有一点哈  我再跟你问一下

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。

你是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than,还是说of as many as呀?

谢谢咯


作者: 萍踪侠影    时间: 2008-12-10 08:44
以下是引用mcwEnquxiN在2008-12-9 23:50:00的发言:
恩  鼓掌鼓掌  谢谢你滴帮助哈...
就是还有一点哈  我再跟你问一下

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

至少这句可以改成简单的of no less than...就不wordy了。

你是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than,还是说of as many as呀?

谢谢咯

是说 of as many as, or of more than 改成of no less than;逗号前后的两部分加起来就是of no less than


作者: mcwEnquxiN    时间: 2008-12-10 23:54

恩  谢谢了 我会慢慢体会哒

 


作者: ccfish9    时间: 2013-8-18 21:28
就楼主说的OG解释B is less precise我的观点如下,楼主你参考看看:
C是changes in population, monitor的对象应该是changes, 2of 50 species应该修饰population而不是change。B中的population changes把两层意思杂糅了以致表达不清
作者: 醒醒Shine    时间: 2014-9-10 13:36
萍踪侠影 发表于 2008-12-9 22:45
以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言:og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Serv ...

这里说明不同的species有不同的population,从而有不同的changes,因此C的意思更明确。
——想请教下,但从A句是怎么就能读出这样的句意啊?
要哭了
作者: 醒醒Shine    时间: 2014-9-10 13:37
萍踪侠影 发表于 2008-12-9 22:45
以下是引用winnie在2004-12-20 18:04:00的发言:og 239. Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Serv ...

因为原句里也是自己用了Population changes of
所以我看原句的时候,就觉得读得明白并没有歧义啊,当时排除A只因为for monitoring的表达问题
作者: Cherry_xc    时间: 2014-9-30 02:06
actu 发表于 2005-4-28 14:41
另外一個相關的。請特別注意括號內的解釋。(B)  would fail provided the density of the timber ...

请问在九楼那个题目的解释中A给的错误原因有misconstrues density with more numerous than。但是正确答案D中的修饰 if the density of the timber wolf population in that region is greater than与A中 if the density of the timber wolf population in that region is greater than。应该是一样的吧。A和D除了时态的不同还有啥其他的?
求大神指导啊




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