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作者: 小I爱漂漂    时间: 2004-12-18 09:24
标题: FeiFei-73(lawyer拆贴)
FeiFei-73
73. There is no reason why the work of scientists has to be officially confirmed before being published. There is a system in place for the confirmation or disconfirmation of scientific findings, namely, the replication of results by other scientists. Poor scientific work on the part of any one scientists, which can include anything from careless reporting practices to fraud, is not harmful. It will be exposed and rendered harmless when other scientists conduct experiments and obtain disconfirmatory results.

Which one of the following, if true, would weaken the argument?


(A) Scientific experiments can go unchallenged for many years before they are replicated.


(B) Most scientists work in universities, where their work is submitted to peer review before publication.


(C) Most scientists are under pressure to make their work accessible to the scrutiny of replication.


(D) In scientific experiments, careless reporting is more common than fraud.


(E) Most scientists work as part of a team rather than alone.


这个题不是太明白后面两句话和前面的联系的意思,所以也搞不明白为什么要选A??请指教!




作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-12-18 09:51

1。后面的话将它当作背景知识,只是说明用复制科学试验的方法代替官方方法并没什麽坏处。

2。其实原文只有一个观点,即结论,并没什直接证据。A直接WEAKEN结论,指出这种replicated(复制)的方法确认科学试验的作法不适应一种情况:刚做该实验时是经得起考验的,但时间长啦,比如很多年后,再REPLICATED,如果disconfirm该实验,这种disconfirm不能否定该实验。


作者: chelseayang    时间: 2004-12-19 23:19

我对A的理解和LAWYER有些不同:


A WEAKEN,指出REPLICATION OF EXPERIMENT这种方法有缺陷:


一些实验结果出来之后,可能在好长时间内没有人去做REPLICATION来验证, 如果存在CARELESS REPORTING和FRAUD的话, 那错误就存在很长时间却没有人提出挑战, 这怎么能说它会HARMLESS呢? 至少在一定时间内是HARMFUL的


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作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-12-20 09:04
原文的结论是:REPLICATION的方法可以代替官方确认。注重的是能否用replication确认该试验对与不对。至于确认前该试验是否有害和结论无关。因为它注重的是该试验本身。
作者: 小I爱漂漂    时间: 2004-12-21 04:44

谢谢两位版主的解释.lawyer版主是从There is a system in place for the confirmation or disconfirmation of scientific findings, namely, the replication of results by other scientists 这里看出有一种replication方法跟官方验证方法不用的吗?


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作者: forestsky    时间: 2004-12-21 05:08
agree with chelseayang. the argument is about how to validate thescientific work. If it goes unchanlenged for a long time, it weaks theaugument. The answer is still A.

作者: forestsky    时间: 2004-12-21 05:12
the logic is as follows:  no reason for official conform, becausethere is a system of examination from peer scientists. So, even thework is bad, it's not harmful once other find out. To weaken theargument, A maintains that the examination from peer scientists may belate for a long time, hence, the official conform is still in need.Q.E.D.

作者: hedonism555    时间: 2004-12-21 08:33

Poor scientific work on the part of any one scientists, which can include anything from careless reporting practices to fraud, is not harmful. -------- conclusion.


There is a system in place for the confirmation or disconfirmation of scientific findings, namely, the replication of results by other scientists. ---------- premise.


It will be exposed and rendered harmless when other scientists conduct experiments and obtain disconfirmatory results. --------------------reasoning.


A   它因削弱。


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作者: roric    时间: 2006-8-10 22:48

顶~~~没懂

73. There is no reason why the work of scientists has to be officially confirmed before being published. There is a system in place for the confirmation or disconfirmation of scientific findings, namely, the replication of results by other scientists. (  Poor scientific work on the part of any one scientists, which can include anything from careless reporting practices to fraud, is not harmful. It will be exposed and rendered harmless when other scientists conduct experiments and obtain disconfirmatory results. )

括号中的是新system的工作机理吗?


作者: yboo    时间: 2006-8-29 01:58
my understanding is:

Comclusion:
There is no reason why the work of scientists has to be officially confirmed before being published.


Reason:
Because there is such a Replication system that will tell whether the original work has loophole in it, and blah blah.

"A" directly points out a possibility that could seriously prohibit the Replication system from working - a gap of years.

btw, to roric: ya, i think so.

作者: lulu_odin    时间: 2008-4-29 17:12

作者: singdeath    时间: 2008-7-30 20:25
Agree with Lawyer that there is only one conclusion, with all the rest as background. But my understanding of choice A is different from Lawyer's. I think A is saying that nobody bother to repeat the published experiment until many years later. So there is no way to know whether it is fraud or not in those years. So it is necessary to confirm the experiments before publishing. By the way, I'm a life science graduate, with close contact with experiments and results publication. So I'm quite confident in my understanding of choice A.
作者: easttiger    时间: 2008-8-2 02:57
以下是引用小I爱漂漂在2004-12-18 9:24:00的发言:
FeiFei-73
73. There is no reason why the work of scientists has to be officially confirmed before being published. There is a system in place for the confirmation or disconfirmation of scientific findings, namely, the replication of results by other scientists. Poor scientific work on the part of any one scientists, which can include anything from careless reporting practices to fraud, is not harmful. It will be exposed and rendered harmless when other scientists conduct experiments and obtain disconfirmatory results.

Which one of the following, if true, would weaken the argument?

(A) Scientific experiments can go unchallenged for many years before they are replicated.

(B) Most scientists work in universities, where their work is submitted to peer review before publication.

(C) Most scientists are under pressure to make their work accessible to the scrutiny of replication.

(D) In scientific experiments, careless reporting is more common than fraud.

(E) Most scientists work as part of a team rather than alone.

这个题不是太明白后面两句话和前面的联系的意思,所以也搞不明白为什么要选A??请指教!


题目文本的用意在于反对现行于科学界的论文发表审查制度,认为没有必要通过制度化的方式来防止作弊和内容性错误,原文认为基于科学研究的特性,发表出来的科研结果如果是错的,那只要有人按照论文重复一下研究过程,那么真伪自然明了。

所以答案选A是比较清楚的。


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作者: iceza    时间: 2009-8-28 00:14
这题我突然想到一种解释,原文的意思是不是说:以前的方法是先确认,再出版;现在的新方法是先出版了,其他科学家看到之后可以去重复其实验(因为明显confirmation和replication是个对比,我想可能是流程的先后次序对比??),如果正确就没问题,如果错误,那么也不会对(科学)造成什么损害。a选项weaken的是,重复实验可能会很久才有结果,这么多年没有定论会对(科学)有损害。不知道这么想有什么问题么?请nn们指点。谢谢。btw 看到几位前辈为了结论到底是什么各抒己见,我都晕了,觉得各位说的貌似都有道理啊





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