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作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-9 21:11
标题: help,OG的几道题目
160. While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.
(A)    by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B)    by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C)    suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D)    suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E)    suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

它的解释是：
Choice E, the best answer, uses constructions that are parallel to some propose', others suggest. . . , and still others are calling ....
Choices C and D correctly begin the second part of the parallel by using suggest. Choice C, however, introduces the nonidiomatic for decreasing, which creates some difficulty in meaning. Choice D loses parallel construction in the third part by shifting to by calling.

我觉得E的并列成分不是不一样的吗
为什么C的for  就不可以了呢
……to decrease
和……for decreasing 有什么区别？

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-9 21:16
170. Although early soap operas were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's when the evening schedule became crowded with comedians and variety shows.
(A)    were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(B)    were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they were moved to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(C)    were aired first on evening radio in the 1920's, moving to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(D)    were aired first in the evening on 1920's radio, they moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(E)    aired on evening radio first in the 1920's, they were moved to the 1930's in the daytime hours

答案是B
我想问下
如果把B中的 aired 和first 换个位置，意思会不会变的

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-9 21:21
171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
(A)    so as to marry
(B)    and so could be married to
(C)    to be married to
(D)    so that he could marry
(E)    in order that he would marry

答案是D，它说Awkward and imprecise, A does not specify who is to marry Anne.
可是我不觉得A有歧义啊，总不可能是女的去marry女的吧

谢谢

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-9 23:02
晕，这么多？
160、这里强调是动作，所以要用reducing,；for decreasing不符合习惯而且不如to decrease 简洁；
172、意思会改变，因为first修饰对象变了，aired first强吊被广播的第一次（在哪里？）；
171、因为so as前面出现了2个人名，所以无法判断谁is to marry；不能用常识解题，要找题目得error;

作者: renprince 时间: 2003-7-11 22:37

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-9 21:11:00的发言：
160. While some propose to combat widespread illegal copying of computer programs by attempting to change people's attitudes toward pirating, others by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling for the prosecution of those who copy software illegally.
(A) by suggesting reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(B) by suggesting the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(C) suggest the reduction of software prices for decreasing the incentive for pirating, and still others call
(D) suggest the reduction of software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others by calling
(E) suggest reducing software prices to decrease the incentive for pirating, and still others are calling

它的解释是：
Choice E, the best answer, uses constructions that are parallel to some propose', others suggest. . . , and still others are calling ....
Choices C and D correctly begin the second part of the parallel by using suggest. Choice C, however, introduces the nonidiomatic for decreasing, which creates some difficulty in meaning. Choice D loses parallel construction in the third part by shifting to by calling.

我觉得E的并列成分不是不一样的吗
为什么C的for 就不可以了呢
……to decrease
和……for decreasing 有什么区别？

og中解释的很清楚的: for decreasing is nonidiomatic 并且产生了歧义, price for[],for 从局修饰了price

作者: renprince 时间: 2003-7-11 22:41

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-9 21:16:00的发言：
170. Although early soap operas were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's when the evening schedule became crowded with comedians and variety shows.
(A) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they had moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(B) were first aired on evening radio in the 1920's, they were moved to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(C) were aired first on evening radio in the 1920's, moving to the daytime hours in the 1930's
(D) were aired first in the evening on 1920's radio, they moved to the daytime hours of the 1930's
(E) aired on evening radio first in the 1920's, they were moved to the 1930's in the daytime hours

答案是B
我想问下
如果把B中的 aired 和first 换个位置，意思会不会变的

应当没有什么问题
,副词防在动词的后面修饰很符合语法规范

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作者: siebel 时间: 2003-7-11 23:45
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作者: siebel 时间: 2003-7-11 23:51

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-9 23:02:00的发言：
171、因为so as前面出现了2个人名，所以无法判断谁is to marry；不能用常识解题，要找题目得error;

tocean兄，谢谢！我是很支持这个原则的，本来。可是，在解语法题的时候，所谓的“逻辑意思”是怎么判断出来的？比如，下面这个题，判断出prompted是authorities而不是property owners才好做题。还有很多。不是靠常识判断的么？

简而言之，逻辑意思，不靠常识判断的话，靠什么呢？谢谢！

很困惑。。。。。。谢谢！

9. Prompted by new evidence that the health risk
posed by radon gas is far more serious than was
previously thought, property owners are being
advised by authorities to test all dwellings below
the third floor for radon gas and to make repairs
as needed.

(A) property owners are being advised by authori-
ties to
(B) property owners are advised by authorities that
they should
(C) authorities are advising property owners to
(D) authorities are advising property owners they
(E) authorities' advice to property owners is they
should

作者: linlin315 时间: 2003-7-12 00:34
我认为A倒不见得不对，只是和D比没有D好。gmat不是要选出5个选项中最好的吗？
so ...as to 要求结果状语的主语与主句的主语一致，这道题主语没问题。但是so...as to仅用于简单的系表结构中而且对于它的位置要求也比较麻烦要求尽可能的就近修饰。
新东方的原则有一个是so..that..要比so ..as to 优先考虑。所以有了更优的就选这个更优的。

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-9 21:21:00的发言：
171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
(A) so as to marry
(B) and so could be married to
(C) to be married to
(D) so that he could marry
(E) in order that he would marry

答案是D，它说Awkward and imprecise, A does not specify who is to marry Anne.
可是我不觉得A有歧义啊，总不可能是女的去marry女的吧

谢谢

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 00:35
sieble,
我所理解的句子的逻辑意思：应该是根据句意推出的唯一的、最为合理的句子各成分间的逻辑关系；
就你举的这个例子来说：
1、从Prompted by new evidence...可以看出，它是过去分词短语作状语修饰它的句子主语，由于过分表被动，则如果主句谓语还用被动语态的话是不合逻辑，如A、B,所以错，
所以答案要从其他3个用了主动语态的选项找；
2、你说：下面这个题，判断出prompted是authorities而不是property owners才好做题。
我觉得2者都有可能被prompted, 逻辑关系不是唯一的，到底选谁要看句意的发展而定，由句意来确定主语，如果A、B的the property owners用主动语态也可以是答案：
比如，Prompted by the new evidence that...., the property owners urged the authorities to test all dwellings below the third floor for radon gas and to make repairsas needed.
3、而这个例子：171. In 1527 King Henry VIII sought to have his marriage to Queen Catherine annulled so as to marry Anne Boleyn.
其中出现2个人名，在没有identify的情况下，2者都有可能marry Anne Boleyn,所以逻辑关系不是唯一的，因此解题的过程就是要消除这种不确定性:make the original sense of the sentence unambiguouly,所以跟你举的例子是不一样的；

welcome comments!

作者: braveMBA 时间: 2003-7-12 00:40

改变了句子意思，first aired on evening radio 指的是第一次"aired"，而on evening radio是修饰aired；而aired first on evening radio指的是"aired"第一次在evening radio，可以先考虑A选项的最高级或修饰词位置。

作者: linlin315 时间: 2003-7-12 00:42
我认为语法不同于逻辑题，correction是要运用一些常识的。就像哥哥的这道题如果不用常识的话如何判断谁应该是prompted的逻辑主语。

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-11 23:51:00的发言：
tocean兄，谢谢！我是很支持这个原则的，本来。可是，在解语法题的时候，所谓的“逻辑意思”是怎么判断出来的？比如，下面这个题，判断出prompted是authorities而不是property owners才好做题。还有很多。不是靠常识判断的么？

简而言之，逻辑意思，不靠常识判断的话，靠什么呢？谢谢！

很困惑。。。。。。谢谢！

9. Prompted by new evidence that the health risk
posed by radon gas is far more serious than was
previously thought, property owners are being
advised by authorities to test all dwellings below
the third floor for radon gas and to make repairs
as needed.

(A) property owners are being advised by authori-
ties to
(B) property owners are advised by authorities that
they should
(C) authorities are advising property owners to
(D) authorities are advising property owners they
(E) authorities' advice to property owners is they
should

作者: siebel 时间: 2003-7-12 01:09

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 0:35:00的发言：
我所理解的句子的逻辑意思：应该是根据句意推出的唯一的、最为合理的句子各成分间的逻辑关系；

窃以为，大家说的逻辑意思，就是句意的意思吧。

知道句意以后，可以判定各成分的逻辑关系。但，不明白的是倒过来。我困惑的是：如何知道句意（即逻辑意思）？即：不通过常识，如何准确理解句意呢？

在举个例子，如何排除A呢？

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(D) to have a gross weight less than8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 01:17

以下是引用braveMBA在2003-7-12 0:40:00的发言：

改变了句子意思，first aired on evening radio 指的是第一次"aired"，而on evening radio是修饰aired；而aired first on evening radio指的是"aired"第一次在evening radio，可以先考虑A选项的最高级或修饰词位置。

agree with Brave !

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 01:28

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:09:00的发言：
窃以为，大家说的逻辑意思，就是句意的意思吧。

知道句意以后，可以判定各成分的逻辑关系。但，不明白的是倒过来。我困惑的是：如何知道句意（即逻辑意思）？即：不通过常识，如何准确理解句意呢？

在举个例子，如何排除A呢？

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(D) to have a gross weight less than8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual

siebel.
我说的句子各部分的逻辑关系的判断当然句意的理解，比如上例A的排除：
with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.只可能修饰the one,而不是individual，所以逻辑关系是唯一的，如果2者都有可能有 less than 8,000 pounds的重量，就一定要specifically identify，就跟2人都有可能marry..那题一样；当然这题解题过程有常识判断，但这种可能是唯一的才行！

作者: siebel 时间: 2003-7-12 01:50

从Prompted by new evidence...可以看出，它是过去分词短语作状语修饰它的句子主语，由于过分表被动，则如果主句谓语还用被动语态的话是不合逻辑

谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 02:07

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:50:00的发言：
谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

siebel,
可以这样理解，其实这是逻辑规则，只可能是“被。。。，某人怎样”，不可能”被。。。。，某人被怎样“，但最好还是具体问题具体分析！

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 22:31

以下是引用siebel在2003-7-12 1:50:00的发言：
谢谢tocean！

这个原则是必然的还是或然的？是不是就表明：过分在句首，主句被动态必错？谢谢！

请问过分在句首是什么意思？

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 22:36
tocean GG：

问个问题
1，是不是with 一般都是紧跟修饰前面的一个名词而不可能跳跃修饰的？

2，那么分词短语呢，如果是 “……，doing ……”
既前面有很多话，可能有两个以上的名词，然后加上一个逗号，接着是分词短语（或是现在分词或是过去分词）
那么这个短语是不是可以跳跃修饰前面的名词的

如果是没有逗号呢，

3，还有定语从句前没有逗号，that是不是也是紧跟修饰的？

作者: linlin315 时间: 2003-7-12 22:45
可是....
with a gross weight of less than 8,000pounds不可修饰individual是常识，但是为什么晴晴的那题，虽然有两个人名但是根据常识不可能女married女所以只能是前面的那个人名，这不也是逻辑关系唯一吗？/我怎么老觉着这两道题是一类啊？？为什么上面的哪题去不可以用常识呢？？

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 1:28:00的发言：

siebel.
我说的句子各部分的逻辑关系的判断当然句意的理解，比如上例A的排除：
with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.只可能修饰the one,而不是individual，所以逻辑关系是唯一的，如果2者都有可能有 less than 8,000 pounds的重量，就一定要specifically identify，就跟2人都有可能marry..那题一样；当然这题解题过程有常识判断，但这种可能是唯一的才行！

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 22:50
就是就是

我也这样认为

因为好象都是用常识判断的么

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 23:07

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-12 22:36:00的发言：
tocean GG：

问个问题
1，是不是with 一般都是紧跟修饰前面的一个名词而不可能跳跃修饰的？

2，那么分词短语呢，如果是 “……，doing ……”
既前面有很多话，可能有两个以上的名词，然后加上一个逗号，接着是分词短语（或是现在分词或是过去分词）
那么这个短语是不是可以跳跃修饰前面的名词的

如果是没有逗号呢，

3，还有定语从句前没有逗号，that是不是也是紧跟修饰的？

1、一般来说with短语都紧跟其修饰的先行词，表示修饰的对象的属性等，有时可与which or who have...换用，但注意2者侧重不同：with表部分，定从表全集；
比如：the twins with genetic identities (表部分twins有identities)
the twins who have genetic identities(指全部twins都有identities)

2、我觉得这种分词短语应该修饰最近的一个先行词，否则就出现了the modifier is too remote to decribe the antecedent的错误；
mm可否举个例子？

3、这个不一定，也可能跳跃修饰前面的词，要根据具体的句意来判断what is the antecedent?

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 23:16

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 23:07:00的发言：

1、一般来说with短语都紧跟其修饰的先行词，表示修饰的对象的属性等，有时可与which or who have...换用，但注意2者侧重不同：with表部分，定从表全集；
比如：the twins with genetic identities (表部分twins有identities)
the twins who have genetic identities(指全部twins都有identities)

可是以前不是说定丛是表是特指吗

比如这两句：the man with a red hat
和 the man who wears a red hat
有什么不同吗

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 23:32

以下是引用tocean0222在2003-7-12 23:07:00的发言：

2、我觉得这种分词短语应该修饰最近的一个先行词，否则就出现了the modifier is too remote to decribe the antecedent的错误；
mm可否举个例子？

暂时找不出别的
比如这个
124. During Roosevelt's years in office, Black Americans began voting for Democrats rather than Republicans in national elections, but Black support for Democrats at the state and local levels developed only after when civil rights legislation was supported by Harry Truman.(A)    developed only after when civil rights legislation was supported by Harry Truman
(B)    developed only after when Harry Truman supported civil rights legislation
(C)    developed only after Harry Truman's support of civil rights legislation
(D)    develops only at the time after the supporting of civil rights legislation by Harry Truman
(E)    developed only after there being Harry Truman's support of civil rights legislation

这里的developed……就是不是紧跟修饰的么

是不是还是要靠意思来判断啊
可是意思判断错怎么办啊

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 23:36

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-12 23:16:00的发言：

可是以前不是说定丛是表是特指吗

比如这两句：the man with a red hat
和 the man who wears a red hat
有什么不同吗

mm,
这2句话应该没什么区别，我的意思是想让你注意他们在修饰复数概念的时候的侧重点不同！可参考OG141

作者: 祈晴坊主 时间: 2003-7-12 23:41
昏
这到题目我到真没在意呢
做的时候好象通过别的就直接选出答案了

请问GG
是不是该把OG每道题目的解释都看一遍
包括自己做对的

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-12 23:44

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-12 23:32:00的发言：

暂时找不出别的
比如这个
124. During Roosevelt's years in office, Black Americans began voting for Democrats rather than Republicans in national elections, but Black support for Democrats at the state and local levels developed only after when civil rights legislation was supported by Harry Truman.(A) developed only after when civil rights legislation was supported by Harry Truman
(B) developed only after when Harry Truman supported civil rights legislation
(C) developed only after Harry Truman's support of civil rights legislation
(D) develops only at the time after the supporting of civil rights legislation by Harry Truman
(E) developed only after there being Harry Truman's support of civil rights legislation

这里的developed……就是不是紧跟修饰的么

是不是还是要靠意思来判断啊
可是意思判断错怎么办啊

这个不能算，这里的developed前面没有逗号啊？
判断developed...的修饰对象还是应该在理解句意的基础上找出noun phrase的head入手！

作者: tocean0222 时间: 2003-7-13 00:07

以下是引用祈晴坊主在2003-7-12 23:41:00的发言：
昏
这到题目我到真没在意呢
做的时候好象通过别的就直接选出答案了

请问GG
是不是该把OG每道题目的解释都看一遍
包括自己做对的

我觉得还是很有必要的，不是把这道题作对就行了，关键还要从其他选项里找到有用的知识点，并且熟悉ets出疑惑选项的一些trick,难说考试的时候它就换一换又拿来考你！

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