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作者: jerryyang    时间: 2004-11-24 00:56
标题: [原创]With在og中的用法总结

前一阵在总结语法,应小郁的要求将自己的心得总结贴出来,不过本人的语法很菜,看了以后希望各位不要我身上扔菜叶,有不对的地方请大N们多指点!!


Withog中的用法总结(仅代表个人观点):


1with紧跟在中心词后作定语表限定修饰,例如,og141og152中,with表限定,who表非限定;og102withthat均表限定;og229dog200with表限定。


2主语,with短语,谓语+宾语。在此种结构中,例如,og179og205with短语结构作为状语修饰主语,如果with结构放在句末则有歧义,不知是修饰主语还是宾语,例如og212e


3)主语与with有逗号隔开,形式有“with短语,主句”和“主句,with”,with短语修饰主句中的主语,with表示“有”的意思,例如,og19og158


4主语+谓语+宾语,with短语with短语修饰宾语,with表示“有”的意思,例如,og114



总结:从1234)可以看出,with紧跟修饰语作定语时表限定,with与修饰词用逗号隔开则作为状语表示非限定,


例如og102.  Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin's ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.


(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged(正确答案)


(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it(可以推断此句中with希望与that同样表限定,此选项的错误点在staging时态问题。此外,With后可以用doing形式,不过with短语是作为副词作状语,不能修饰名词,参照og192选项D


(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself(表达的不简洁)



例如og78.  The root systems of most flowering perennials either become too crowded, which results in loss in vigor, and spread too far outward, producing a bare center.


(C) with the result of loss of vigor, or spreading(应用with结构不存在正确性问题,只是相对resulting不简洁。而且可以推断此处with结构与whichresulting均表非限定)


(D) resulting in loss of vigor, or spread。(正确答案)



5with短语作副词时不可以修饰名词,


例如og192. Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana by the four thousand Acadians who migrated there in 1755; their language is basically seventeenth-century French to which has been added English. Spanish. and Italian words.


Cto which English, Spanish, and Italian words have been added(正确答案)


Dwith English, Spanish, and Italian words having been added to it with短语作副词时不可以修饰名词。此外,having done永远不可以做后置定语修饰名词!这条可以作为绝对错误原则,排除选项!)



6)一般用法,with词组,例如crowd withog170),along withog 201),associated withog 219),credit withog 226),face withog 247),comparison withog 254),collision withog 257)。



总之,with介词短语,从功能上来讲,介词短语可以做主语、表语、宾语、定语、状语等,主要看with短语在句中的位置和相对应的功能,来判断是否合乎句子的逻辑表达。


作者: joe11    时间: 2004-11-24 03:13

好贴!

添加一句: with 短语的逻辑主语要与句意所要表达的修饰词一致。不能有歧义。


作者: jerryyang    时间: 2004-11-25 10:21

对,这一条很重要,谢谢joe11


作者: 灰色小姿    时间: 2004-11-25 15:35

我想问一下with跳跃修饰的问题 OG104
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-----vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, with meat as a rarity.
以前上XDF的时候老师说这里的with 可以跳跃修饰vegetarian

可是遇到了另一题 大全补充题3

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(D) to have a gross weight less than 8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual
答案是C 我选了A 为什么这里的with就不能跳跃修饰vehicle呢?

到底with 跳跃修饰的规则是怎么样的?


作者: yumeeiko    时间: 2004-11-26 13:33

上一句中有“———”后面的例举是对vegetarian的解释和进一步说明。

而下面的那道题,如果修饰的话,with 会被理解为修饰individal,逻辑不通的。


作者: jerryyang    时间: 2004-11-26 21:53

The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
with的修饰造成歧义,不知with修饰individual,或vehicle,或得partment。此题可以从OG212题中得到例证。

212. The Baldrick Manufacturing Company has for several years followed a policy aimed at decreasing operating costs and improving the efficiency of its distribution system.

(A)  aimed at decreasing operating costs and improving

(E)   with the aim to decrease operating costs and to improve

The best choice, A, Also, with the aim... improve can easily be construed as referring to the Baldrick Manufac­turing Company and so does not refer unequivocally to policy.(不管是谁with the aim 只要有两种可能性,就是有歧异)


作者: jerryyang    时间: 2004-11-26 22:12

我认为,ETS使用with是喜欢的原则是:

with短语表解释说明时,表非限定,此时,一般会用逗号隔开,或跳跃修饰。例如,OG114,OG179,OG205。

with短语表限定时才紧跟修饰词后。例如,OG141,OG152。

而with没有用逗号隔开时,又表示非限定的解释说明,往往就会造成修饰歧义。例如,OG212


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-11-26 22:44
以下是引用灰色小姿在2004-11-25 15:35:00的发言:

我想问一下with跳跃修饰的问题 OG104
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-----vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, with meat as a rarity.
以前上XDF的时候老师说这里的with 可以跳跃修饰vegetarian


可是遇到了另一题 大全补充题3


The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(D) to have a gross weight less than 8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual
答案是C 我选了A 为什么这里的with就不能跳跃修饰vehicle呢?


到底with 跳跃修饰的规则是怎么样的?



小姿MM,第一题,XDF要跳让他们跳吧,咱不跳;这里的with meat as a rarity,是独立主格结构修饰它前面的所有的部分。


于是第二题,也就是不存在跳不跳的问题了。直接就说明with嫁给了离它最近的那个名词。


我不认为with可以往前跳过名词去修饰另一个名词;当然对于OG212例子我觉得不能认为可以充足地反驳到以上观点。


212中with the aim 首先是介词短语,介词短语放在主谓宾结构后面,会有歧义,见楼主的第2条,同样的歧义还出现在:OG263 256 262  等。


记住:介词短语既想嫁给离它最近的名词,也想嫁给前面的谓语动词,所以,看到它要小心点儿。


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作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-11-26 22:50

非常开心又见到了一个JERRY,而且实力超强!加油。


以下是引用jerryyang在2004-11-24 0:56:00的发言:

前一阵在总结语法,应小郁的要求将自己的心得总结贴出来,不过本人的语法很菜,看了以后希望各位不要我身上扔菜叶,有不对的地方请大N们多指点!!



Withog中的用法总结(仅代表个人观点):




1with紧跟在中心词后作定语表限定修饰,例如,og141og152中,with表限定,who表非限定;og102withthat均表限定;og229dog200with表限定。


2主语,with短语,谓语+宾语。在此种结构中,例如,og179og205with短语结构作为状语修饰主语,如果with结构放在句末则有歧义,不知是修饰主语还是宾语,例如og212e



…………


总之,with介词短语,从功能上来讲,介词短语可以做主语、表语、宾语、定语、状语等,主要看with短语在句中的位置和相对应的功能,来判断是否合乎句子的逻辑表达。


有两个地方值得讨论一下:


1、状语只修谓语,不修主语;我觉得“状语修饰主语”应改为:“介宾短语补充说明逗号前面的内容”


2、介词短语可以做主语,这可能是笔误。介宾短语不可以做主语,即使是倒装,也不能认为它是主语,同理there is a desk 这句中也不能认为there 就是主语。


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作者: 灰色小姿    时间: 2004-11-27 17:21

记住:介词短语既想嫁给离它最近的名词,也想嫁给前面的谓语动词,所以,看到它要小心点儿。

太形象生动了,记住了记住了


作者: 灰色小姿    时间: 2004-11-27 17:25
多谢两位Jerry和yuemmikoMM
作者: davidcopper    时间: 2004-11-27 20:43

我觉得with的使用应该分为两种情况


1. ,+with引导的独立主格结构, 在句末修饰前面的句子或动作


2. with引导的介词短语, 这时和其他介词短语一样, 在主谓宾句子中如果想作状语或修饰主语的定语, 就要把介词短语提至谓语动词之前以避免产生歧义, 如果是作修饰宾语的定语, 好象一般采用分词短语或从句, 很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)


这只是我目前观察的, 如果大家有发现介词短语在主谓宾句末作正确答案的, 请指正.


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-11-30 13:59

很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

不是很少,就是没有,嘿嘿


作者: jerryyang    时间: 2004-12-2 21:56

谢谢jerryguan的支持!

谢谢jerryguan给我指出这么多错误!

可惜我不是“实力超强”,而是屡战屡败的常败将军,希望有一天能杀G成功。


作者: Lucky0506    时间: 2005-6-10 20:15

2主语,with短语,谓语+宾语。在此种结构中,例如,og179og205with短语结构作为状语修饰主语,如果with结构放在句末则有歧义,不知是修饰主语还是宾语,例如og212e



疑问:状语也可以修饰主语吗?主语不是一般应该是名词性质的词或短语或句子吧!


作者: Lucky0506    时间: 2005-6-12 12:31
自己 up!
作者: jerrold0023    时间: 2005-6-12 16:43

感谢12楼和15楼的总结。我在大全中试了试,发现几乎所有题都符合二位的观点。只有下面两个题有例外。正像大家说的,独立的with介词短语在句末绝对是不太好的选项,但不一定是必错项。


OG113.   Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.


(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang


(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging


(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging


(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hangingD


(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung


Choices A, B, and C use have... saw where have... seen is required. Choices A, B, and E awkwardly separate the relative clause beginning whose arms and legs... from monkeys, the noun it modifies. Choices A and E also confusingly use the present tense hang and the present perfect have hung, respectively; neither verb conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described. Choice D, the best answer, not only forms a correct and clear sentence by supplying the present perfect verb have... seen, but also solves the problem of the whose... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.



大全985


Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.


(A) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors that mark


(B) see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors mark


(C) been seeing layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, whose different colors are markers of


(D) been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, with different colors markingD


(E) seen layers of sediment in the gaping canyon, marking by different colors


作者: remona9t    时间: 2005-6-20 22:57

补充一点:


6)with/without + S1 + doing/based on/介词短语/adj./noun + SVOà做独立主格结构 OG25


作者: remona9t    时间: 2005-6-20 23:12
以下是引用灰色小姿在2004-11-25 15:35:00的发言:

我想问一下with跳跃修饰的问题 OG104
The diet of the ordinary Greek in classical times was largely vegetarian-----vegetables, fresh cheese, oatmeal, and meal cakes, with meat as a rarity.
以前上XDF的时候老师说这里的with 可以跳跃修饰vegetarian


可是遇到了另一题 大全补充题3


The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(D) to have a gross weight less than 8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual
答案是C 我选了A 为什么这里的with就不能跳跃修饰vehicle呢?


到底with 跳跃修饰的规则是怎么样的?



小姿MM,第一题,XDF要跳让他们跳吧,咱不跳;这里的with meat as a rarity,是独立主格结构修饰它前面的所有的部分。


这里的with + N,也是在句尾的介词短语。


12
used to say what position or state someone or something is in, or what is happening, when someone does something
She was knitting, with the television on.--介词短语在句尾,独立主格结构 with+S+adj.


---from longman


看了上面的例子,独立主格也可以在句尾,在修饰没有歧义的情况下,表示一种状态,就像longman里解释的一样


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作者: fchn951    时间: 2005-6-22 09:06

OG113.   Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.


(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang


(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging


(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging


(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hangingD


(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung


Choices A, B, and C use have... saw where have... seen is required. Choices A, B, and E awkwardly separate the relative clause beginning whose arms and legs... from monkeys, the noun it modifies. Choices A and E also confusingly use the present tense hang and the present perfect have hung, respectively; neither verb conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described. Choice D, the best answer, not only forms a correct and clear sentence by supplying the present perfect verb have... seen, but also solves the problem of the whose... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.


我认为选项D的with结构有歧义。with是修饰visitors还是monkeys? OG认为是修饰monkeys, 但是如何排除with不是修饰visitors呢?请指教。


作者: ring_cheng    时间: 2005-7-1 21:19

我想:with的独立主格结构除了可以修饰主语,起解释说明作用外,还可以表示伴随,既是“伴随”,那么动作理应紧跟在伴随对象后,起补充说明作用。翻译过来就是seen monkeys sleeping on the branches and seen their arms and legs hanging...


请讨论。


作者: laure    时间: 2005-10-16 23:45

GMAT 的SC最终考的还是一个逻辑。


在og113和og985中,with 虽然处在句末,从语法上可能指代两个对象,但是从逻辑上,很容易判断其逻辑主语,免于指代混乱的状况。


The rule is a means to an end, but not a set of rigid intructment which should be used without the our own rationale.


欢迎指正:)


作者: 999DSCD    时间: 2005-11-12 09:16

好贴!


作者: leiby1019    时间: 2005-12-1 15:52

牛贴啊 受益良多



作者: steveyangxt    时间: 2005-12-10 14:39
hao
作者: carlito    时间: 2006-2-6 12:36
果然就是大牛啊,不一般啊!牛!!
作者: princeshao    时间: 2006-2-12 23:43
我顶!!!
作者: specialcognac    时间: 2007-4-10 11:30
以下是引用jerrold0023在2005-6-12 16:43:00的发言:

感谢12楼和15楼的总结。我在大全中试了试,发现几乎所有题都符合二位的观点。只有下面两个题有例外。正像大家说的,独立的with介词短语在句末绝对是不太好的选项,但不一定是必错项

OG113.   Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging like socks on a clothesline.

大全985  Those who have visited the Grand Canyon have typically been able to see layers of sediment in the gaping canyon,
                with different colors marking
the passage of time like the rings in a tree trunk.

个人认为jerrryguan和davidcooper说的应该是正确的,兄弟的这两个例子并不是例外,因为这两个with在这里都是独立主格,而不是介词短语;with介词短语放在句末不是好选项,应该这个可以作为GMAT的一条判断原则吧


作者: isesameql    时间: 2007-4-12 19:46

记号,值得慢慢研究

补充一个例子

The traditional view supposes that the upper mantle of the earth behaves as a liquid when it is subjected to small forces for long periods and that differences in temperature under oceans and continents are sufficient to produce convection in the mantle of the earth with rising convection currents under the mid-ocean ridges and sinking currents under the continents.

当 主+谓+宾+with+分词

我认为的优先级

1.谓语的固定搭配

2.状语

3.宾语修饰语(这种应该很少)


作者: llxx1985cn    时间: 2007-8-14 11:03

弱问一下:with引导独立主格和with引导介词短语在形式上有什么区别?


作者: llxx1985cn    时间: 2007-8-14 13:48
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作者: threestone    时间: 2007-10-26 15:51
以下是引用llxx1985cn在2007-8-14 11:03:00的发言:

弱问一下:with引导独立主格和with引导介词短语在形式上有什么区别?

同问???大牛帮着解答一下


作者: zoeyun    时间: 2007-12-2 20:51

同问


作者: rorarora    时间: 2008-3-16 23:47
以下是引用specialcognac在2007-4-10 11:30:00的发言:

个人认为jerrryguan和davidcooper说的应该是正确的,兄弟的这两个例子并不是例外,因为这两个with在这里都是独立主格,而不是介词短语;with介词短语放在句末不是好选项,应该这个可以作为GMAT的一条判断原则吧

这两个例子都是独立主格结构放在句末,表示解释说明;


作者: rorarora    时间: 2008-3-16 23:50
以下是引用davidcopper在2004-11-27 20:43:00的发言:

 很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

这只是我目前观察的, 如果大家有发现介词短语在主谓宾句末作正确答案的, 请指正.

果然如此......


作者: laddish    时间: 2008-10-17 10:42

这个帖子真牛~~~


作者: songlovegt    时间: 2009-1-10 09:16
大全985答案应该是A
作者: zjpopo    时间: 2009-1-12 10:30

Up!


作者: executive    时间: 2009-2-28 04:09

高,实在是高!又搞定一个问题点


作者: netfeeling    时间: 2009-8-6 15:15
以下是引用JerryGuan在2004/11/30 13:59:00的发言:

很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

不是很少,就是没有,嘿嘿

152. When the technique known as gene-splicing was invented in the early 1970's, it was feared that scien­tists might inadvertently create an "Andromeda strain," a microbe never before seen on Earth that might escape from the laboratory and it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it.

(A)  it would kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it

(B)   it might kill vast numbers of humans with no natural defenses against it

(C)  kill vast numbers of humans who would have no natural defenses against it(虚拟语气没有错)

(D)  kill vast numbers of humans who have no natu­ral defenses against them

(E)   kill vast numbers of humans with no natural
                defenses against them

This sentence requires parallel verb forms within the relative clause that might escape... and kill. C, the best choice, uses parallel verb forms that are followed appropriately by the conditional would have in the who clause that modifies humans. Choices A and B each violate parallel construction by intro­ducing a new independent clause, it would kill... and it might kill... Though choices D and E begin by observing parallel­ism, the use of them at the end of each creates a problem of pronoun reference: them cannot refer to the singular microbe.
                            
In addition, choices B, D, and E lack would and thus do not express the conditional.

 

 

 

E选项,OG 没说with- 在句末修饰宾语 不可啊?


作者: sprins    时间: 2009-9-1 22:47
以下是引用JerryGuan在2004/11/30 13:59:00的发言:

很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

不是很少,就是没有,嘿嘿


作者: zsy020584    时间: 2011-6-17 23:41
177. Bihar is India’s poorest state, with an annual per capita income of $111, lower than in the most impoverished countries of the world.
(A) lower than in
(B) lower than that of
(C) and lower than that of
(D) which is lower than in
(E) which is lower than it is in

答案B,这个句中同样有with 放句后。
作者: 欧阳小西    时间: 2011-7-11 09:55
摘自2008愈发笔记
独立主格则是表示一种伴随状态,描述与所描述分句同步发生的事情。
with 型独立主格,与主句形成紧密的逻辑联系,形式为:
由“with+宾语+宾补”构成的复合结构,在句中可作状语,表示伴随,修饰邻近分句主语,with后面宾语为与主语相关的东西。
作者: 欧阳小西    时间: 2011-7-11 09:56
楼主可以参见第一页的几种形式   已经讲的很清楚了
作者: xieguodong    时间: 2011-8-15 17:26
好帖!
作者: eatGMAT    时间: 2012-2-16 18:20
好贴!
作者: CCcarol    时间: 2012-2-21 22:00
太优秀了~~~就是要弄明白这个~
作者: leonnong    时间: 2012-3-13 13:59
其实可以不用管With到底修饰谁,有个好办法是看逻辑!在这里引用 babybearmm的说法:
只知道要stick to the LITERAL meaning of "with"
举例:
我们假设到了夏天,鹿就进入繁殖季节
With summer coming, biologists estimate that the deer population will soon increase. (INCORRECT)
这话严格说来,从逻辑上看,有问题
你提炼主干 with summer coming, biologists estimate ...
那读者会问:”夏天到来,和你生物学家作预测,有嘛关系?难道说,夏天不到来,生物学家就不做预测,就吃白饭的?“
这就是我想说的如何从字面上去理解with

这句话这么改,就对
With summer coming, the dear population, based on the estimation of biologists, will soon increase.
当然,这只是一种改法,我就提供一个思路,就说咱的主干逻辑是:夏天到来 与 鹿群数量增长 直接相关。所以我们把直接相关的信息放在主干,不直接相关的(生物学家的预测)放在插入。我编的这句话,我用了based on作为noun modifier.
就说这句话的主干如下
With summer coming, the dear population will increase.
这里with是make sense的,因为确实是直接相关的、伴随的

回到原句,咱再来说,假如我们不想改变主干结构(biologists estimate ...),怎么能让"with..." make sense。比如我编这句话:
With thorough investigation, biologists estimate that the deer population will soon increase.
这个with就是make sense。因为你提炼主干
With thorough investigation, biologists estimate ....
你能看出来它的意思,说biologists经过调研,推测什么什么 这个with就make sense
而如果换成"with summer coming",就不make sense,难道夏天不到,生物学家就不干活?
作者: 千本血樱    时间: 2012-3-24 14:38
"with短语作副词时不可以修饰名词,"什么意思啊 能不能举几个with短语做副词的例子?
作者: li3360065    时间: 2012-5-23 00:19
我混乱了。。。。。。。。
作者: jessi4765    时间: 2012-8-25 12:23
我觉得with的使用应该分为两种情况

1. ,+with引导的独立主格结构, 在句末修饰前面的句子或动作

2. with引导的介词短语, 这时和其他介词短语一样, 在主谓宾句子中如果想作状语或修饰主语的定语, 就要把介词短语提至谓语动词之前以避免产生歧义, 如果是作修饰宾语的定语, 好象一般采用分词短语或从句, 很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

这只是我目前观察的, 如果大家有发现介词短语在主谓宾句末作正确答案的, 请指正.
-- by 会员 davidcopper (2004/11/27 20:43:00)



精辟啊!!
作者: huangyu1648    时间: 2012-8-26 00:31
我想问大家一个弱智的问题,别笑话我啊。。。。。
请问什么是限定什么是非限定啊~,跪求了各位
作者: kiwifoodtown    时间: 2012-9-27 15:19
OG113.   Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.


(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang


(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging


(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging


(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hangingD


(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung


Choices A, B, and C use have... saw where have... seen is required. Choices A, B, and E awkwardly separate the relative clause beginning whose arms and legs... from monkeys, the noun it modifies. Choices A and E also confusingly use the present tense hang and the present perfect have hung, respectively; neither verb conveys clearly that, at the time the monkeys were spotted sleeping, their arms and legs were hanging in the manner described. Choice D, the best answer, not only forms a correct and clear sentence by supplying the present perfect verb have... seen, but also solves the problem of the whose... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.


我认为选项D的with结构有歧义。with是修饰visitors还是monkeys? OG认为是修饰monkeys, 但是如何排除with不是修饰visitors呢?请指教。
-- by 会员 fchn951 (2005/6/22 9:06:00)


不能这么说,“with+名词+分词”结构是做状语的,是对主句的伴随状况、补充说明、具体举例,也可以是表示愿意,不是修饰主句某一成分的。比如下面两句:
London was found to be the least punctual city, with 41 per cent of respondents admitting that they were hardly ever on time, compared with the national average of 28 per cent.

Mobile phone have broken many social taboos, with people answering calls in middle of a conversationor chatting away on the toilet.

这两句话的WITH都不修饰前面主句的任何成分,只对主句起了补充说明的作用。
作者: TerraceHo    时间: 2012-11-1 13:07
我觉得with的使用应该分为两种情况

1. ,+with引导的独立主格结构, 在句末修饰前面的句子或动作

2. with引导的介词短语, 这时和其他介词短语一样, 在主谓宾句子中如果想作状语或修饰主语的定语, 就要把介词短语提至谓语动词之前以避免产生歧义, 如果是作修饰宾语的定语, 好象一般采用分词短语或从句, 很少有独立的介词短语在句末的(不管前面是否加逗号)

这只是我目前观察的, 如果大家有发现介词短语在主谓宾句末作正确答案的, 请指正.
-- by 会员 davidcopper (2004/11/27 20:43:00)



我覺得這個說的很對哦!

OG-SC第90題裏面,出現了一個with短語在句末,前面還有一個逗號。解釋說IT IS NOT CLEAR WHAT CONNECTION IS BEING DESCRIBED BY with.
還是要看with的位置以及與前後關鍵字的關係吧。
作者: aileenlin_1991    时间: 2014-1-26 22:49
jerryyang 发表于 2004-11-24 00:56
前一阵在总结语法,应小郁的要求将自己的心得总结贴出来,不过本人的语法很菜,看了以后希望各位不要我身上 ...

超牛的!!!赞赞赞
作者: lxn1234    时间: 2016-8-21 11:11
Mark一下!               
作者: HermioneCC    时间: 2016-10-13 17:12
3)主语与with有逗号隔开,形式有“with短语,主句”和“主句,with”,with短语修饰主句中的主语,with表示“有”的意思,例如,og19,og158。


4)主语+谓语+宾语,with短语。with短语修饰宾语,with表示“有”的意思,
请问主句和主+谓语+宾语有什么区别呀?如果没区别的话,句子+,with中,with修饰谁。。。求大神回答下,么么哒


作者: HermioneCC    时间: 2016-10-13 17:14
jerryyang 发表于 2004-11-24 00:56
前一阵在总结语法,应小郁的要求将自己的心得总结贴出来,不过本人的语法很菜,看了以后希望各位不要我身上 ...


3)主语与with有逗号隔开,形式有“with短语,主句”和“主句,with”,with短语修饰主句中的主语,with表示“有”的意思,例如,og19,og158。


4)主语+谓语+宾语,with短语。with短语修饰宾语,with表示“有”的意思,
请问主句和主+谓语+宾语有什么区别呀?如果没区别的话,句子+,with中,with修饰谁。。。求大神回答下,么么哒
作者: lidyhao    时间: 2016-12-11 17:09
jerryyang 发表于 2004-11-24 00:56
前一阵在总结语法,应小郁的要求将自己的心得总结贴出来,不过本人的语法很菜,看了以后希望各位不要我身上 ...

Mark一下!               
作者: Irisaran    时间: 2017-1-9 18:32
Mark一下!               




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