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作者: 花露水6 时间: 2012-12-14 10:10
标题: 关于as..as用法江湖救急啊
看下这两道题：
1、Mixed with an equal part of water, ethylene glycol, a compound commonly used as an automotive antifreeze, is effective at temperatures as low as –30 degrees Fahrenheit.
A. temperatures as low
B. temperatures so low
C. as low temperatures
D. as few
E. as little
2、 The Environmental Protection Agency frequently puts mandatory controls on toxic substances that present as little risk as one in a million chances to cause cancer.
(A) as little risk as one in a million chances to cause
(B) as little risk as one chance in a million of causing
(C) as little risk as one chance in a million that it will cause
(D) a risk as little as one chance in a million for causing
(E) a risk as little as one chance in a million for it to cause

第一题答案：A
第二题答案：B

PREP笔记给的解释说：第一题的C：at 后面直接加as adj+n as就是少宾语
我不明白的是为什么第一题的C：at 后面直接加as adj+n as就是少宾语而第二题present后面加as adj+n as就不算
这个问题从一战困扰我到现在，各位XDJM们江湖救急啊。。。

作者: MiaZhang 时间: 2012-12-14 10:24
这个问题比较纠结。。。我说一下我的看法吧
as + adj+n+as...结构一般是名词的比较，但关键是要从语义上理解到底是谁和谁比

第一个题，at temperatures as low as –30 degrees Fahrenheit，–30 degrees Fahrenheit是对low的限定，表示温度多低，不能跟temperatures比较。类似的还有as early as表示对时间上的限定

第二个题， toxic substances that present as little risk as one chance in a million，one chance in a million是与little risk的比较，第二个as可以变成一个等号，表示little risk的大小

说得好抽象。。。就是要看第二个as后面的部分到底是对谁的限定和修饰，名词还是形容词

作者: kiwifoodtown 时间: 2012-12-14 10:30
这题以前有人问过，贴出来或许有点帮助
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-779733-1-1.html

作者: 花露水6 时间: 2012-12-14 10:41

这个问题比较纠结。。。我说一下我的看法吧
as + adj+n+as...结构一般是名词的比较，但关键是要从语义上理解到底是谁和谁比

第一个题，at temperatures as low as –30 degrees Fahrenheit，–30 degrees Fahrenheit是对low的限定，表示温度多低，不能跟temperatures比较。类似的还有as early as表示对时间上的限定

第二个题， toxic substances that present as little risk as one chance in a million，one chance in a million是与little risk的比较，第二个as可以变成一个等号，表示little risk的大小

说得好抽象。。。就是要看第二个as后面的部分到底是对谁的限定和修饰，名词还是形容词

-- by 会员 MiaZhang (2012/12/14 10:24:39)

也可以理解30 degrees Fahrenheit是temperatures而不是形容low的啊，况且30度本来也是温度呀。还有one chance in a million可以和little作比较啊这都无可厚非啊

作者: 花露水6 时间: 2012-12-14 10:46
FROM RON神：
more generally, you can't have "as + adj + PLURAL + as...". this construction is only ok if the noun is singular.
e.g.
i have never met as despicable a person as your sister's boyfriend.
or
i have never met a person as despicable as your sister's boyfriend.
both correct

--

i have never met people as despicable as your friends.
--> correct
* BUT *
i have never met as despicable people as your friends.
--> incorrect.

by the way, this is not something i ever learned consciously, but it's something that i can figure out by considering enough examples.
this point is an excellent illustration of why it's important to develop an intuitive feeling for the way the language works. no one is going to learn -- or teach -- all of these things as "rules", but, by observing the language with an eye toward developing your intuition, you'll be able to figure a lot of them out.

作者: MiaZhang 时间: 2012-12-14 11:20
as + adj + PLURAL + as...". this construction is only ok if the noun is singular 这句话我认为不是绝对的

我们经常见到as many +PLURAL + as的结构不是吗？

Ron的解释应该是没有问题的，但是如果表示数量的部分在adj位置上，是不是有例外呢？

Open to discuss

作者: 花露水6 时间: 2012-12-14 16:03
嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

作者: stt300 时间: 2012-12-17 16:49

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

og12-125. Today,because of improvements in agricultural technology, thesame amount of acreage produces twice as many apples as it did in 1910.
这是og原题，所以我也弄不明白Ron说的了，哪位nn帮帮忙啊！
关于temperatures这题，一般as..as比较第一个as后引出的部分大多是宾语或者补语，所以看一下第二个as后的成分是否平行即可，但是这题is at temperatures as low as.. 这个low可以理解为adj修饰temperatures，然后-30 degrees Fahrenheit是和low平行吗？大家看过一个jeffery2541发的as的帖子吗？他提到第一个as后成分只要不是宾语或者补语的话，第二个as后成分只要与第一个as后成分平行即可

作者: TerraceHo 时间: 2012-12-18 12:04

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

建議lz先記住Ron神的用法吧，完全可以解答上面的兩道題的。
另外，我覺得第二題選B有一個很重要的原因是chance的搭配。
the chance of doing something 表示做某事的可能性。
the chance to do something 表示做某事的機會。

根據後面的in a million理解，這裡表示的是可能性，所以用of，只有B。

作者: TerraceHo 时间: 2012-12-18 12:12

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

-- by 会员 stt300 (2012/12/17 16:49:01)

非常感謝ls po出來的counterexample。但是我覺得並沒有違反Ron的意思。
Ron說的是僅僅使用as...as（像...一樣...）連接的時候，就要分成單複數。
但是這裡as...as是用在倍數的結構裏面，完整的結構應該是“n times + as ... as”，所以用法可以不一樣。

另，在理解as...as的時候，建議ls不要去糾結一定要parallelism，meaning是關鍵。
temperatures as low as blah~ 這裡表示的是“溫度低至blah~度”。如果ls一定要去糾parallelism的話，平行的雙方也應該是temperature和blah~。

作者: stt300 时间: 2012-12-18 15:38

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/12/18 12:04:10)

谢谢熊猫兄回复

不过从这题角度来说ron说的与你说的不太一样，他举了一个例子
original:
as little risk as one chance in a million of causing
analogy:
as small a collection as three pirated albums has occasionally drawn...

original:
a risk as little as one chance in a million for causing (note this is unidiomatic, but the correspondence is the same)
analogy:
a collection as small as three pirated albums has occasionally drawn

compare these side-by-side. note that the throwaway modifiers are in the same places.
the grammar is not quite the same (the second part is a prepositional phrase in the original, but a verb in my analogy). however, the correspondence is exactly the same, so the analogy is good enough for illustrative purposes.
hope that helps.

所以这题的split在于risk of的用法，等于是
a risk 【as little as one chance in a million】 of causing

所以我认为上面miazhang说的也有道理，结合ron的解释，比较级修饰risk，of引出risk的内容。当然你说的chance的用法也是对的，但是此题不是用到chance这个语法结构。

open to discuss！

作者: stt300 时间: 2012-12-18 15:43

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

-- by 会员 stt300 (2012/12/17 16:49:01)

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/12/18 12:12:13)

谢谢！
我觉得你说的有道理，而且我在另一个此题讨论贴中也看到有人提到as many..或者as much...这种表示数量的是可以加复数的，跟你说的意思差不多。

关于平行，我觉得这种平行有点特殊，就是你说的理解为“低到。。度”，还有楼上miazhang说的as early as，不像其他as的比较，所以我觉得这样的结构只能如此记忆一下了，是不？

作者: TerraceHo 时间: 2012-12-19 12:39

嘎嘎举个例子呢？这么暴力想想不出来诶。。。

-- by 会员花露水6 (2012/12/14 16:03:57)

-- by 会员 stt300 (2012/12/17 16:49:01)

-- by 会员 TerraceHo (2012/12/18 12:12:13)

-- by 会员 stt300 (2012/12/18 15:43:26)

貓君~同意ls關於risk的用法。
另你所提到as...as，hmm..我覺得是一個翻譯的問題。其實as..as在不同的句子中會有比較適合中國人理解的翻譯...或者ls看多一點總結一下就可以摸出在什麽情況下的翻譯比較適合你的理解吧

p.s. as...as英文解釋，或者ls可以直接找個英文詞典研究研究會更好理解;_;
equal to the amount or level that is usual/possible/necessary/expected

作者: FTKJ 时间: 2013-6-17 21:50
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