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作者: 凤凰不传奇    时间: 2012-9-2 09:56
标题: 求教consider的用法
在看曼哈顿的语法,对于consider的用法看的有点晕。
1,I consider illegal the law passed lassed last week by the new regime.这句话怎么翻译,
2.为何The judge considers the law as illegal是错误的,as后是要加一样的成分吗,
   如果The judge considers the law as illegal law是否就是真确的。

有语法讨论群吗,想找个组织,谢谢。
作者: gdufs1    时间: 2012-9-2 10:00
consider as 没有这种说法吧,某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。
作者: 凤凰不传奇    时间: 2012-9-2 10:07
哦,谢谢。按这个说法,I consider illegal (n1)the law(n2) passed lassed last week by the new regime,是不是就是说我认为违法的条例被新的政体在上周通过了。
作者: abjure    时间: 2012-9-4 18:45
consider as 没有这种说法吧,某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。
-- by 会员 gdufs1 (2012/9/2 10:00:21)


不应该在这么说, 至少应该知道在什么context 用是对的,什么context下用是错的


当Considerx和Y,中间没有其他NOUN,Y直接发生在X上,用CONSIDER XY. 否则用 CONSIDER X TO BE Y. 
-RON
(1)Consider X to be Y
(2)Consider X Y
(3)Consider X as Y
all of them are correct.

the first two have exactly the same meaning; you'd use the first only when the extra words 'to be' are justified, either because they resolve some sort of ambiguity or because there's just A LOT of stuff between 'X' and 'Y'.
examples:
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills, a ritzy suburb to the north of Los Angeles, to be a desirable place to live. <-- possible ambiguity (could mean l.a. is desirable) if you don't include 'to be' here
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills a desirable place to live. <-- no ambiguity, so 'to be' would be unnecessarily wordy

--

'consider as' means 'consider restrictedly in the capacity of or in the role of'. for instance:
Considered as a work of art, Grant Wood's "American Gothic" is wholly unremarkable; considered as a depiction of everyday 1930's Americana, however, it is a classic piece. <-- i.e., the piece is unremarkable from the standpoint of art, but remarkable from the standpoint of american historical portrayal.
作者: 凤凰不传奇    时间: 2012-9-4 21:49
标题: 非常感谢大侠
consider as 没有这种说法吧,某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。
-- by 会员 gdufs1 (2012/9/2 10:00:21)



不应该在这么说, 至少应该知道在什么context 用是对的,什么context下用是错的


当Considerx和Y,中间没有其他NOUN,Y直接发生在X上,用CONSIDER XY. 否则用 CONSIDER X TO BE Y. 
-RON
(1)Consider X to be Y
(2)Consider X Y
(3)Consider X as Y
all of them are correct.

the first two have exactly the same meaning; you'd use the first only when the extra words 'to be' are justified, either because they resolve some sort of ambiguity or because there's just A LOT of stuff between 'X' and 'Y'.
examples:
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills, a ritzy suburb to the north of Los Angeles, to be a desirable place to live. <-- possible ambiguity (could mean l.a. is desirable) if you don't include 'to be' here
Most Americans consider Beverly Hills a desirable place to live. <-- no ambiguity, so 'to be' would be unnecessarily wordy

--

'consider as' means 'consider restrictedly in the capacity of or in the role of'. for instance:
Considered as a work of art, Grant Wood's "American Gothic" is wholly unremarkable; considered as a depiction of everyday 1930's Americana, however, it is a classic piece. <-- i.e., the piece is unremarkable from the standpoint of art, but remarkable from the standpoint of american historical portrayal.
-- by 会员 abjure (2012/9/4 18:45:25)


作者: poorling911    时间: 2014-12-8 13:07
abjure 发表于 2012-9-4 18:45
consider as 没有这种说法吧,某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。-- by 会员 gdufs1 (20 ...

通过您的解释,我已经很明白consider to be为什么有时候to be是多余的了。。但是consider as我还是不是很理解,什么时候是多余什么时候不是多余。我在语法笔记中看到解释都是说多余,但是没有像你这里说的这样解释我心理就不安啊。希望麻烦大侠再给我解释一下%>_<%
作者: 神粥八宝    时间: 2017-11-29 17:02
感谢分享!               
作者: Carmen要过gmat    时间: 2019-8-28 11:07
凤凰不传奇 发表于 2012-9-2 10:07
哦,谢谢。按这个说法,I consider illegal (n1)the law(n2) passed lassed last week by the new regime ...

Mark一下!               
作者: 苍圣吾牙晓    时间: 2019-9-2 21:16
感谢分享!               
作者: superjoyinjoy    时间: 2020-11-9 11:49
abjure 发表于 2012-9-4 18:45
consider as 没有这种说法吧,某个800分的大牛总结说consider n1 n2 一定是对的。-- by 会员 gdufs1 (20 ...

同意!               




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