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作者: OasisWater    时间: 2004-10-23 16:29
标题: [原创]snow geese差点把我搞晕,nn进来看看!

Some species of Arctic birds are threatened by recent sharp increases in the population of snow geese, which breed in the Arctic and are displacing birds of less rigorous species. Although snow geese are a popular quarry for hunters in the southern regions where they winter, the hunting season ends if and when hunting has reduced the population by five percent, according to official estimates. Clearly, dropping this restriction would allow the other species to recover






Which of following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument?


a)       hunting limits for snow geese were imposed many years ago in response to a sharp decline in the population of snow geese.


b)      It has been many years since the restriction led to the hunting season fro snow geese being closed earlier than the schedule date.


c)      The number of snow geese taken by hunters each year has grown every year for several years.


d)      As their population has increased, snow geese have recolonized wintering grounds that they had not used for several seasons.


e)       In the snow geese’s winter habitats, the geese face no significant natural predation.


请各位nn给出点推导的思路,万分感谢。。。


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作者: buddyk    时间: 2004-10-23 16:50
真难啊。。。。。
作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-10-23 18:53
d
作者: buddyk    时间: 2004-10-23 19:02
LAW兄,何解?
作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-10-23 19:43

其实这道题我有点不是很SURE的感觉,总觉得给的信息不充分。我选D的原因在于:既然雪鹅开辟了另外新(had not used for several seasons的过冬的地方,打猎影响不了这些地方,所以即使取消了5%的限制,也影响不了雪鹅的数量。拿不准之处在于这些新地方是否没有打猎或没在RESTRICTION的范围内,原文没给信息。当然所有这些只是可能性和倾向性,WEAKEN只需要可能性和倾向性。


我也考虑过B,因为有相关性。但B不好在于:RESTRICTION导致打猎季节提前停止,说明如果没有RESTRICTION,会有更多的雪鹅被狩猎,会减少雪鹅的数量,这岂不支持了结论。当然如果问题要找支持的选项,B都是合适的答案。


另外B中的FRO应该是FOR吧。


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作者: buddyk    时间: 2004-10-23 20:06
嗯,我也是这样考虑的,这个题真是有点搞。ETS越来越变态了。
作者: lifelover    时间: 2004-10-24 01:12
谢谢lawyer的指点,看来也只有d了。
作者: leeon    时间: 2004-10-25 10:02

I think the answer is B;

B says the restriction that led to the hunting season for snow geese being closed earlier implemented many years ago.But the argument points out some species of Arctic birds are threatened by recent sharp increases in the population of snow geese.That is, it's not the restriction that led to the population of snow geese increased. So the conclusion that dropping this restriction would allow the other species to recover is questionable.


作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-10-25 10:41

可恶,我在SINCE引导的时间状语从句方面已经犯了第二次错误。

B的意思应该是:(5%的)限制导致狩猎季节提前关闭至今已经有几年了。就是说现在不存在着限制导致狩猎季节提前关闭的情况。这种理解正好和5楼相反,所以是WEAKEN结论。应该是答案。

这涉及到如何理解SINCE引导的状语从句。实际上SINCE引导的状语从句提供一个过去的计算起点,没有这个计算起点,主句的MANY YEARS从何时算起,也就不存在MANY YEARS的说法。


作者: OasisWater    时间: 2004-10-25 10:52
几位nn辛苦了,万分感谢中。。。
作者: buddyk    时间: 2004-10-25 10:54

越发觉得BT。

谢谢leeon和lawyer


作者: angelzycat    时间: 2004-10-25 11:52

d 啊, 雪鹅并不是危害到了其他生物,人家只是回复自己原来的栖息地啊.

建议恢复狩猎的人肯定和猎人组织有利益关系,昧着良心说话,呵呵!


作者: lifelover    时间: 2004-10-26 00:12
以下是引用lawyer_1在2004-10-25 10:41:00的发言:

可恶,我在SINCE引导的时间状语从句方面已经犯了第二次错误。


B的意思应该是:(5%的)限制导致狩猎季节提前关闭至今已经有几年了。就是说现在不存在着限制导致狩猎季节提前关闭的情况。这种理解正好和5楼相反,所以是WEAKEN结论。应该是答案。


这涉及到如何理解SINCE引导的状语从句。实际上SINCE引导的状语从句提供一个过去的计算起点,没有这个计算起点,主句的MANY YEARS从何时算起,也就不存在MANY YEARS的说法。


lawyer 你好,首先非常感谢你对逻辑区的贡献。你的几篇文章我昨天都拜读了一下, 总结得很全面,可惜有些抽象,有些地方还没理解透。 特别感谢你负责的态度,有了不同意见还及时通知我们,并且接收你的鼓励,今后继续认真思考,积极参与讨论。

但是我对这题还有不理解的地方,也发现自己的语法知识竟然模糊生疏如斯了。 对于since引导的时间状语从句,一般的理解是一个动作或状态自从since引导的时间开始发生并且(或其影响)持续到现在。如1: It has been 4 years since he lived here in 2000. 可以理解为:He has lived here for 4 years since 2000.

但是也有相反的例子,如2: It has been a week since I saw her last Monday. 表示的是I haven't seen her for a week since last Monday.

我的问题是,B选项的内容要按例2的方式理解才是削弱,若按例1理解的话应该是加强, 这题我们确定现在的情况和since引导的时间以前的状况是相反的依据是什么?

我感觉这题信息不全似的,也可能是还没有理解透彻, 望niuniu得空继续指点。能不能请告知你说的第一次类似的错误是哪题,俺们也跟着再思考思考。

另:你不是在闭关准备考试吗?还要抽空来造福大家,真是辛苦啊。 致敬。

   



作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-10-26 01:46

我想可能是一个为状态动词,一个为瞬间动词。后者不能持续到现在,否则要用进行时。


作者: OasisWater    时间: 2004-10-26 09:35

Some species of Arctic birds are threatened by recent sharp increases in the population of snow geese, which breed in the Arctic and are displacing birds of less rigorous species. Although snow geese are a popular quarry for hunters in the southern regions where they winter, the hunting season ends if and when hunting has reduced the population by five percent, according to official estimates. Clearly, dropping this restriction would allow the other species to recover.

Which of following, if true, most seriously undermines the argument?
a)       hunting limits for snow geese were imposed many years ago in response to a sharp decline in the population of snow geese.
b)      It has been many years since the restriction led to the hunting season fro snow geese being closed earlier than the schedule date.
c)      The number of snow geese taken by hunters each year has grown every year for several years.
d)      As their population has increased, snow geese have recolonized wintering grounds that they had not used for several seasons.
e)       In the snow geese’s winter habitats, the geese face no significant natural predation.


作者: OasisWater    时间: 2004-10-26 09:37
这个led to不也是瞬间就导致关闭的动作了吗?如何持续到现在呢?
作者: lifelover    时间: 2004-11-15 00:04
以下是引用lawyer_1在2004-10-26 1:46:00的发言:

我想可能是一个为状态动词,一个为瞬间动词。后者不能持续到现在,否则要用进行时。



明白了,我怎么这么糊涂啊,谢谢。最近没到逻辑区来,回复迟了,望谅。
作者: micht    时间: 2004-11-23 20:14

lawyer_1...可不可比請在詳細一點...這一題還是想不出來

題中假設..

dropping restriction -> other species recover
implies that hunting season extended -> more geese snow will be hunted->save other species..

B) for many years 限制的情況下->hunting season提前結束->那geese snow 數量?normal?

是否是因為限制的情況一直都存在

所以 Recent increase geese population 和限制是無關聯的?

thank you


作者: zxl_moon    时间: 2005-11-9 14:43

支持leeon!!


作者: lykuang02    时间: 2005-11-9 14:52
研习nn们的解释都要费半天时间,最近真是越发晕了。
作者: woshiluhaodong    时间: 2012-3-23 18:25
那D为什么不对呢?
作者: hzasian    时间: 2013-10-4 20:48
since后接延续性与短暂性动词都可以的。
一、若since引导的状语从句的谓语动词是终止性的过去时,则从句表示的时间是“从动作开始的那一时刻起”。如:
He has studied very hard since he came to our school.自从他来到我们学校,他学习就非常努力。
We have been missing them since they left here自从他们离开这里,我们就一直很想念他们。
这是最常见的一种用法,此处不再多述。
二、若since引导的状语从句的谓语动词是持续性动词或表示状态的动词的过去时时,则从句表示的时间是“从那持续动作或状态结束时算起”。如:
I haven’t heard any noise since I slept. Sleep 为持续性动词,sleep的动作结束时,即“醒来”时,这句应译为“我醒后还未听到任何声音”。

试比较:
It is 2 years since he lived in our city.他不住在我们城市有2年了。
It is 2 years since he moved to our city.自从他住在我们城市已经有2年了。

所以It has been 5 years since I was away from the army,“5年前我就退役了”
作者: hzasian    时间: 2013-10-4 21:30
答案B。A说的是很多年前捕杀雪雁过多导致政府设了禁令。但它没有说现在的情况如何,所以和原文不相关。B是说以前的指标往往在规定日期内提前用完(火力很猛),但是这样的日子已经过去很多年了,也就是说现在至少是在规定时间内用完,甚至有用不完的可能,也就是说即使放开管制,捕获的数量也不会大很多(火力太弱)。本题的关键在于理解since引导的句子的意思。关于since连接的句子,若用的是瞬时性动词,时间从动作开始的那一刻累积,如果用的是持续性动词,则说明时间从该动作持续的状态结束后开始累积,如:It has been many years since the house was built. 房子在很久以前就完工了(was built是一种状态,所以many years是从房屋完工后计算)。
It has been 3 years since he lived/studied in New York. 他不住在纽约/不在纽约学习已经3年了(study, live为持续性状态,所以于动作结束后计时才开始)
I have made a couple of friends since I moved to New York. 我搬到纽约后交了几个朋友。(瞬时性动词,计时从move一开始同时累积。)
若since后跟的持续性动词用了现在完成时,则两个动作同时发生:Jim has not heard from Jenny since she has lived in London. (自从Jenny搬到伦敦起,Jim就没她的消息。)
B的句子从意思上说,restriction led to hunting season closed earlier是一个持续状态,所以可以理解为这个状态已经结束很多年了。

作者: ssn_wonder    时间: 2014-1-25 16:32
hzasian 发表于 2013-10-4 21:30
答案B。A说的是很多年前捕杀雪雁过多导致政府设了禁令。但它没有说现在的情况如何,所以和原文不相关。B是 ...

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