24-23 Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
A) the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
B) the effects that are the most obvious ones, extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, would be those impacting the most on people.
C) those effects to have the largest impact on people, extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, are what are the most obvious effects.
D) extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, the most obvious effects, that they would have the largest impact on people.
E) extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people.
The key "A" totally doesn't make any sense.
The "and" is within the scope of the subclause, what the hell this "and" is parallel to? If "and" is taken out, it will make much more sense.
---that the most obvious effects, those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess
If there's no typing problem, i rather choose B.
"those that would have the largest impact on people" doesn't mean to indicate "the most obvious effects", hence the words below mean two different things, A and B.
"the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people"
of course, maybe there are some overlaps among the two.
For example, a similar sentence is:
In our group , the young and the restless are Michael, Peter, and Cindy.
If it's the case of compound subjects, comma is not justified here. It shoud be:
"the most obvious effects and those that would have the largest impact on people would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess"
这里是插入语
If it's the case of compound subjects, comma is not justified here. It shoud be:
"the most obvious effects and those that would have the largest impact on people would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess"
这里是插入语
虽然A最好，但你说的好象也有些道理， 晕！ NNS 显身吧~~
我的异议在于would的使用，would在这里容易引起异议，这里说的是科学家显示，显然是客观存在的东西，而would表明了这种显示是不正确的-是一种猜想也可能是真的
请大家指正
B ）the effects that are the most obvious ones, extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, would be those impacting the most on people.
变成了the most obvious ones, extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess并列了，不合句子原来的意思。
A is still your best choice.
the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
and those ... on people 是插入语，and 表示额外的effect; 如果去掉and, those that .... 修饰前面的obvious effects,
成了同位语，改变了句意。
除了E中sth is sth to do的结构以前没注意过,不知道对不对外, E算是很好的答案了(我搜了google, 确实有这样的句子)
其它的都有非常明显的错误.
E 的错误多了。
1。 which 指代不明：根据句意， which 应该指代extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess，但是在 E 中，which 只能指代 storminess；
2。 to impact the most on people 表达有问题，既不应该用表目的的to do，impact ... on 也不地道。
3。 主宾倒置，强调的中心完全变了。
1.哪点证明which只能指代storminess? 在逗号格开的情况下, which有可能指代前面紧跟的词语,也可能指代前面的整个名词词组. 如果把which 变成all of which, 我想应该比较清楚了吧, 也就是说这个时候, which不一定只指代紧跟的词语.
2,the most我感觉应该是程度副词,修饰impose, 而impact很明显此处是不及物动词. impact on是习语. 至于 are those to我不是很肯定, 但此处不是表示目的, 有点象the first people to do 的用法样,表示前者的动作
3.对于此处be引导的系表结构, 主宾倒置,没有影响逻辑意思, 就如: 李明是班上成绩最好的<=> 班上成绩最好的是李明.
1. Yes, in English grammar, 'which' can refer to more than just the immediate noun.
Take a 2nd look. We all know in Gmat, 'which' refers to the closest noun. If you want to insist on the reference of 'which', it can refer to either 'extremes' or the 3 parallel nouns following it.
Hence, 'which' 指代不明.
3. choice A:
The most obvious effects would be extremes.
(this is only the sentence structure)
choice E:
Extremes are those to impact the most on people.
You see the difference? That's what I mean 强调的中心完全变了.
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此处由于which are,指代的是复数名词,没有指代不明确的问题, (OG中很多都是通过这种数的变化,来表明指代对象的)
"强调的中心"变了? 如果逻辑意义没变, 或者变成了更符合逻辑了,都不是错误的.
A用AND连接两个部分不对，把AND改为NAMELY为好，AND前后是同一事物则不能用AND连接，假比张三是学校校长，你只能说张三，即学校校长，不能说张三，和学校校长，用AND就是并列两个不同的事物，不能并列同一事物的不同表达，当A中有明显语法错误，而E中不有语法错误，我选E，因为虽然E与A语义不同，但如A中逻辑错误或有明显错误，则原语义可被改变。但E的表达好象也有问题，extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people，后面两个分句可并为一句，are the most obvious effects to impact on people most， 同时，are those to impact the most on people的表达是错的。
I think A is right if the ", " between effects and and is deleted.
偶选的是E
which 的用法在OG中出现过很多次，要根据句意来判断其修饰哪一个 这里which后面用了are明显是修饰extremes的，不可能去修饰三个并列的名词（偶好想没见过这样的用法）
A中的那个逗号很奇怪
还有就是would be 和are的问题 在这个句子中用哪个好？请教！！
支持A.
E中的which指代不明. "those to impact the most on people." 其中的to 用的别扭,the 用的多余.且整句扭曲原句意.
我做题的时候也是在A和E之间徘徊不已，当时觉得E的强调重心发生了改变，但结果还是阴差阳错的选了E——也不知道为什么？好像做题时经常会这样，在最后两个选项里往往选个错的，不知道XDJM有没有过这样的感觉？马上要考了，不知道有没有什么好方法？：）
现在看看的话，的确好像A更合理。A的结构：
Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those (that would have the largest impact on people), would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
在这里，that后面的effects和those平行，做后面would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess的主语。Would看上去似乎时态不妥，但仔细分析是有道理的，因为这里表达的是虚拟语气，因为这种impact还没有产生。所以，以后偶在遇到would这种表达时，也要先仔细分析一下，再决定能不能排除了。
另外，E把extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess放到前面，使得句子发生改变。原本整个句子用but表转折的同时，也表达了一种对比，也就是Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on……，而climatologists的指出……，应该都是比较抽象的东西。也就是说，如果整个句子前半句说的是别的具体东西，那么后面放extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess才比较好。
个人意见。^_^
我做题的时候也是在A和E之间徘徊不已，当时觉得E的强调重心发生了改变，但结果还是阴差阳错的选了E——也不知道为什么？好像做题时经常会这样，在最后两个选项里往往选个错的，不知道XDJM有没有过这样的感觉？马上要考了，不知道有没有什么好方法？：）
有同感，特别是做GWD补充，好几道题都是这样！
看了各位的分析，本来我坚持选E的，最后还是觉得A比较正确了。
Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those (that would have the largest impact on people), would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
这两个是并列的主语，并不是指的一件事物，来做后面的WOULD BE的主语。也不觉得是同位语，别的选项都有很明显的错误，也就是它了吧。
GMAT爱情逻辑题：
A ：“。。。，为什末理想中的爱情和现实中的相差那末远。”
B：“。。。理想中的爱情和现实中的相差并不远，如果你觉得远，那是因为你的爱情不现实。”
问：B怎样argue的。
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嘿,这个MM的签名有意思,不过,我觉得这更象LSAT的逻辑
I think E is the best answer.
A一定为正确答案，比较两项：
A项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
E项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people.
A项：关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出最明显的效应是…
E项，关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出...是影响人们最大的。
很明显，A为正确选项。因为A紧紧围绕关于温室效应的讨论，用but来对比。而E项，but后的气象学家指出的东西与前面的不是一个问题。所以如果选E项，but就没有道理存在。
想就这道题中涉及的插入语问一下
…，…，… 中间红色部分可以以什么样的形式出现？
谢谢
A一定为正确答案，比较两项：
A项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
E项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people.
A项：关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出最明显的效应是…
E项，关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出...是影响人们最大的。
很明显，A为正确选项。因为A紧紧围绕关于温室效应的讨论，用but来对比。而E项，but后的气象学家指出的东西与前面的不是一个问题。所以如果选E项，but就没有道理存在。
终于....被说服了~~
A
答案是A
A: obvious的 and impact的 是 ...
B: obvious的... 是 impact的
C: impact的... 是 obvious的
D: obvious的... 是 impact的
E: obvious的... 是 impact的
BCDE都改变了原句的意思。
（2）impact 是名词，不做动词，大全上有这样的题。排除B。
（3）D不完整，只是名词，不能构成从句。
选A
E还有别的问题
extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people.
要说这时的those指代前面的effects,有些牵强
而且be to do,如果出现在OG的正确答案中，必定是to do is to do的形式，别的地方还没有发现
我最爱分析句子结构了：discussion has foused on wehteher the earth would warm and by how many,...,would be extremes of sth.,sth.,and sth..只有A\B符合条件。。
Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
本来是选E的,后来发现一个比较严重的错误,
extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those(指代不清) to impact the most on people.
中which are the most obvious effects是插入语,删去之后原句结构不变,那么those此时明显没有指代对象.
to be discussed...
E : "which"modify ? unclearly!
有逗号，刚好说明后面的不是做同位语，而是有新的内容补充说明。
有逗号，刚好说明后面的不是做同位语，而是有新的内容补充说明。
凭什么？人人都知道A的语序好，可是为什么要加个逗号呢？
建议选择E的看scorpio0001的分析
A一定为正确答案，比较两项：
A项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact on people, would be extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess.
E项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how much, but climatologists have indicated all along that
extremes of temperature, precipitation, and storminess, which are the most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people.
A项：关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出最明显的效应是…
E项，关于温室效应的讨论集中在...,但是气象学家指出...是影响人们最大的。
很明显，A为正确选项。因为A紧紧围绕关于温室效应的讨论，用but来对比。而E项，but后的气象学家指出的东西与前面的不是一个问题。所以如果选E项，but就没有道理存在。
同意！句子意思很重要！！
Discussion of greenhouse
effects has usually focused on whether the
Earth would warm and by how
much, but climatologists have indicated all
along that the most
obvious effects, and those that would have the larg-
est impact on people,
would be extremes of temperature, precipitation,
and storminess.
A. the most obvious effects, and those that would have
the largest
impact
on people, would be extremes of temperature,
precipitation,
and storminess
B. the effects that are the most obvious ones, extremes
of temper-
ature,
precipitation, and storminess, would be those impacting
the
most on people
C. those effects to have the largest impact on people,
extremes of
temperature,
precipitation, and storminess, are what are the
most
obvious effects
D. extremes of temperature, precipitation, and
storminess, the most
obvious
effects, that they would have the largest impact on people
E. extremes of temperature, precipitation, and
storminess, which are
the
most obvious effects, are those to impact the most on people
我觉得E的which没有修饰歧义，因为用了are，那么肯定指代前面三项，不可能指代storminess。
我当初选了E，因为没仔细研究A和E在强调重心上的区别。然后把题目读了N遍，觉得：
A说the most obvious effect是那三项肯定的，但have the largest impact on people用了would，表示可能，不肯定。
E说那三项是肯定的the most obvious effects，而对于impact the most on people也是肯定的，少了would情态动词。
而且要结合未划线部分内容来看。前面说的是讨论温室效应有哪些effects。想像一下，大家都在讨论说温室效应产生了地球变暖这样一个effect，那么气候学家呢？逻辑上说气候学家应该说最明显的effect（也可能影响人们最多的）应该是极端气温，降雨和风暴这三项。如果气候学家冒出来句：极端气温，降雨和风暴这三个最明显的effects也可能影响人们最多，就有点驴头不对马嘴了。
另外前面有人说impact不能做动词，我查了longman，动、名词都可以：
做名词：an especially strong or powerful influence or effect caused or produced by an idea, invention, even etc.
e.g. The computer has made/had a great impact on modern life.
做动词：to have an impact on
e.g. These costs will impact on our profitability.
B错在the effects that are the most obvious ones罗嗦，可以直接用the most obvious effects，然后接同位语。但句意上和E犯了相同的错误。
C的句意与原文倒是符合，XXX是最明显的effects，但表达太罗嗦。
D作为indicate that的宾语从句，句子结构不完整。
虽然我同意A,但是我想指出，storminess这个词是单数，E中的which指代是正确的。
A那个逗号实在是奇怪啊~
为什么这个时候忽略了：the most obvious effects 这里的歧义呢 ？
是： the most / obvious ?
还是： the most obvious / effect ?
同争议题：
14. GWD17-Q14: 争议
Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
one day may be partners the next.
A. Whereas lines of competition are clearly defined in
the more established industries, in the Internet industry they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
B. Although the lines of competition are clearly defined in industries that are more established, they are blurred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as competing companies
C. The lines of competition are clearly defined in the more established industries, unlike the Internet where they are blurred and indistinct, as companies that compete
D. Unlike more established industries, where the lines of competition are clearly defined, they are burred and indistinct in the Internet industry, as companies that compete
E. Unlike more established industries, with clearly defined lines of competition, those of the Internet industry are blurred and indistinct, as competing companies
比较级不用the
1、more established industries: more到底是要修饰established还是industries?
因此产生修饰岐义: 体会此处的歧义
2、逻辑： A中成了“竞争”将partner公司了
前后一致
这里就说有歧义啊。。。
求解啊
NNS 帮忙撒
都木的人回答啊。。。。自己up
looook 发表于 2004-11-14 13:27
除了E中sth is sth to do的结构以前没注意过,不知道对不对外, E算是很好的答案了(我搜了google, 确实有这样 ...
joe11 发表于 2004-11-14 01:53
A is still your best choice. the most obvious effects, and those that would have the largest impact ...
SuccessMBA08 发表于 2008-9-3 10:50
以下是引用scorpio0001在2005-3-31 10:59:00的发言：A一定为正确答案，比较两项：A项：Discussion of green ...
scorpio0001 发表于 2005-3-31 10:59
A项：Discussion of greenhouse effects has usually focused on whether the Earth would warm and by how ...
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