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标题: [求助]LSAT-8-4-8 做了两遍都没选出C [打印本页]

作者: G-CRACKER    时间: 2004-10-19 23:09
标题: [求助]LSAT-8-4-8 做了两遍都没选出C

文章意思不难,但实在不理解为什么选C.



8. In Malsenia sales of classical records are soaring. The buyers responsible for this boom are quite new to classical music and were drawn to it either by classical scores from television commercials or by theme tunes introducing major sports events on television. Audiences at classical concerts, however, are continually shrinking in Malsenia. It can be concluded from this that the new Malsenian converts to classical music, having initially experienced this music as recorded music, are most comfortable with classical music as recorded music and really have no desire to hear live performances.


The argument assumes which one of the following?


(A) To sell well in Malsenia, a classical record must include at least one piece familiar from television.


(B) At least some of the new Malsenian buyers of classical records have available to them the opinion of attending classical concerts.


(C) The number of classical concerts performed in Malsenia has not decreased in response to smaller audiences.


(D) The classical records available in Malsenia are, for the most part, not recordings of actual public concerts.


(E) Classical concerts in Malsenia are not limited to music that is readily available on recordings.



作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2004-10-19 23:51

Audiences at classical concerts是指每场音乐会的观众人数。C排除一个他因。如果每天都有音乐会,有可能场场爆满吗。


作者: G-CRACKER    时间: 2004-10-20 12:44
以下是引用lawyer_1在2004-10-19 23:51:00的发言:

Audiences at classical concerts是指每场音乐会的观众人数。


如果这样翻译,选项C是对的。但Audiences at classical concerts, 明明指总人数呀。

  

still puzzled....


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-10-20 13:09

If C is not true, that is,  the number of classical concerts decreased, then it is reasonable that Audiences at classical concerts decrease. So C should be assumed to rule out other reasons cause that Audiences at classical concerts decrease.


作者: G-CRACKER    时间: 2004-10-20 17:40
标题: [求助]LSAT-8-4-8 做了两遍都没选出C

藕终于明白了。。。为什么反应这么慢尼。

thank you, anyway!


作者: Ivy2004    时间: 2005-1-17 19:49

(B) At least some of the new Malsenian buyers of classical records have available to them the option of attending classical concerts.

why not B?

如果new Malsenian buyers of classical records没有机会去听现场,那结论也不能成立啊。


作者: zenger    时间: 2005-8-13 19:08

C有些牵强吧。还是B好些。


作为C,如果是场场爆满,smaller audiences又是什么。


作者: theOnion    时间: 2005-8-17 22:59
i think the correct choice is B.
作者: theOnion    时间: 2005-8-17 23:04

Hey guys, why do you think the correct choice is C? I have just checked the "10 Actual, Official LSAT PrepTests" by LSAC. This problem appears in December, 1992 test. The correct choice is clearly B, not C.


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作者: applecider    时间: 2005-10-24 11:43

Woo...I can't find this question in the December 92 test, but I think (C) is a possible answer based on the following:


*premise


1. sale of records soaring


2. buyers of this boom- drawan to classical music from "recorded" ones (TV commercials or sport events)


3. audience of concerts shrinking


*conclusion


1. "boomers" are more comfortable with records


2. they don't have a desire to go live performance


**assumption**


Those boomers must have the same opportunity to go concerts as the old generation did in order to reach that conclusion. If the number of concerts has decreased, it would be difficult to reach that conclusion, just like leeon mentioned above.


作者: vendetta    时间: 2005-10-29 22:15

答案应该是B,排除C的关键在于C项中"in response to smaller audiences",尤其是smaller这个词,这是比较后的状态,而非比较前的假设。另外顺便说一下,假设C是假设,且假设如果音乐会的场数增多人们一定会来听,但来听的前提是什么,依然是B啊。


作者: xjlv128    时间: 2006-4-20 15:33
我也觉得是B。题目里没有提到percentage的概念,排除总数这个他因没有用处啊
作者: XUBIAO    时间: 2006-5-22 22:52

音乐会人数下降,但音乐会场次没变,说明音乐会空位随时可有,这就说明NEW M对参加音乐会无兴趣.

所以我支持C


作者: yboo    时间: 2006-5-23 00:01
sounds like a B to me.

仅从题目给出的信息中看,buyers和concert goers完全没有任何联系(没有提到前者去过concert)。所以是两个完全不同的人群。

在结论中,则跟concert goers, 一点关系也没有,只是在说new buyers。 所以,C是无关的。

B则把buyer和conert联系起来。
作者: kingme    时间: 2006-5-26 13:08
I think it's 'B'.

作者: linxi107    时间: 2006-5-29 18:47
官方答案肯定是B,此题陈向东的逻辑书上有讲解,虽然我还是没搞懂
作者: jane1109    时间: 2006-8-6 20:29
the correct answer is C. think of it this way, if the number of live concernts in the country have decreased, then it's no wonder the number of audiences who will ATTEND the concerts will decrease. Then the decrease in number of audiences to the concerts is not as result to people preferring records over live performances, thus the conclusion will be wrong. B is wrong, because it is about OPINION, not AVAILABILITY of concerts. Even if people had the OPINION of going to the concerts, they might still not want to go due to the CONVENIENCE of recordings, that will not contridict with the argument's conclusion. So by using the denial test, C is correct.
作者: zxzhyzcy    时间: 2007-5-15 19:11

作者: zxzhyzcy    时间: 2007-5-15 19:14

好大的争议哦~

到底是什么呢?

我也选了B~但是仔细想想觉得C也不错~好像都挺能assume,晕了~


作者: icewarm    时间: 2007-5-23 04:07
The answer is B. "opinion" should be "option".

作者: icewarm    时间: 2007-5-23 04:11
It seems that some people have answer sheets laden with errors. Be careful. Find other more reliable sources for your studying materials.

作者: hawkeyesun    时间: 2007-5-23 05:10

I actually think the correct answer is D. 

The conclusion is that the new buyers are more comfortable with recorded classic music and has no desire to hear live performance. Answer D assumes that The classical records available in Malsenia are, for the most part, not recordings of actual public concerts.  So it does support the conclusion that buyers do not like to hear from acutal public concert performance.


作者: noinno    时间: 2007-5-24 23:50

支持c,因为n m不听现场的原因有可能是现在的音乐会场数较之以前减少了,导致人们听现场的机会减少所以才购买records,而c排除了这个原因,表明,音乐会的场次仍然没有减少,也就是说,客观的条件现在跟以前比没有改变,改变的是人们主观上的偏好,这才能得出结论。因为结论就是说的主观上人们的偏好改变了,而直接默认了c指出来的,主观改变的同时客观仍然不变的假设。


作者: xueer    时间: 2007-7-30 13:32
too hard

作者: zsazsa    时间: 2007-10-30 14:07

The correct answer should be B.

Let's examine the stimulus closer. It concludes on the the ground that the buyer don't go to the concert because they don't want to do so. But what if they buy records instead of go to concert because of the difference of accessibility between the two. Say, it's easier or more convienient to listen the music thru records, for the tickets for a concert is hard or even impossible to get. In this way, we must validate the conclusion by eradicating the possible that the situation happens when concerts are available to those who buy records. Thus, we come to the right crack.

However, when considering of choice C, we may use the neglect+weaken way. True, there's possibility that the decrease of concerts results in a shrink of audience. But how? Even the number of concerts goes down, we can still reasonably to claim that the disire for concerts goes down, because the number of concerts and desire cannot related to each other that tightly, at least from the information we know from the stimulus. then no weakening.


作者: caiwencn2007    时间: 2007-11-29 08:39

支持C

反推


作者: kangkangkang    时间: 2008-1-5 02:08

绝对是B。C的关键错误是它说的是in response to smaller audiences,which happens before the number of concert decrease. So the decrease of number of concert is a result of small audiences, but not the cause. If it is not stated as in response to small audience, it will have same explanary power as B.


作者: 嫱嫱    时间: 2008-1-28 23:59

作者: singdeath    时间: 2008-8-10 20:07


花了N多时间看完了大家关于B和C的讨论,说说自己的看法。
我是支持B的。其实原文是典型的由现象推原因,现象有两个,原因也有两层。
先简化原文:
现象1: record buyers多了; 现象2:concert goers少了
原因:第一层:因为喜欢record(所以买的人多)
          第二层: 因为不喜欢concert(所以去的人少了)

分析如下:
1。条件中仅仅给出两个现象,而结论却从两个现象中建立了某些因果关系,所以首先要那这两个现象联系起来,即record buyers和concert goers之间,concert goers少了,是因为record buyers不去concert
2。排他因,对什么排他因呢?
      首先,第一层关系,买record人多是因为喜欢record,不是因为去不了concert (don't have the option)才转而买record。
      然后,第二层关系,去concert人少是因为不喜欢concert,不是因为去不了 (don't have the option or concert number decreases)
这样分析下来,能满足这两层排他因的只有B了。

顺便说一下C。C把因果倒置了,C排除的是因为人少concert才少,而不是排除因为concert少人才少。把C取非,因为去的人少了,concert也减少了。这只能说明现象2的后果,不能作为排他因。如果C把后面的in response to smaller audiences去掉,则可以作为假设,说明了1)买record人多不是因为没机会听concert;2)去concert人少不是因为concert少了



作者: castnoshadow    时间: 2008-8-19 08:22
LZ答案错了 官方答案是b

作者: lovingmao    时间: 2008-12-16 07:01
我认为答案应该是B。C 首先assume了smaller audience,提干里面没有提到过,感觉这个选项像是在绕圈圈。选B还有一个不太decent的理由是LR Bible里提到过---Slide 12
        
Watch for answers starting with the phrase “at least one” or “at least some.”—usually the right answer,

    

作者: gabrielpei    时间: 2013-4-8 16:44
吼吼!!!这一题还是被我发现了玄机.

新东方的CXD的书里面, 选项B和上面的选项B不一样.
这一题选项B是: (B) At least some of the new Malsenian buyers of classical records have available to them the opinion of attending classical concerts.
新东方里面不是Opinion, 而是coupon.

如果选项B是coupon, 那就是活生生的无关项. 所以C相对而言是最好的选项.
而这一题里面B是Opinion, 所以按我的理解, 这说明了什么? 说明了至少有一些人有opinion去, 只不过因为他们很满足record, 所以没有desir去.

但是评估下来, 这种情况下的B, 也不太合理, 因为这样的B只不过是加强了结论的合理性, 而并不是一个从条件推出结论的assumption. 不属于补GAP, 也不属于排除他因, 勉强属于A可行(实际上是B可行).
但是由于C的smaller这个词, 所以C不对. 所以选了B.
所以估计新东方的改编认为B也是有争议的, 所以将Opinion改成了coupon, 来使得B肯定不对, 而使C成为正确答案.




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