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标题: 求助OG13 19题和26题，我有自己的理解，求确认 [打印本页]
作者: eliane小小爱    时间: 2012-8-5 12:52
标题: 求助OG13 19题和26题，我有自己的理解，求确认
如题，希望有明白的同学现身解释下哈。
19 A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included circling the globe faster than Jules Verne’s fictional Phileas Fogg.
A A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included
B The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included
C Nellie Bly wasa pioneer journalist including in her exploits the
D Included in the pioneer journalist Nellie Bly’s exploits are
E The pioneer journalist’s exploits of Nellie Bly included


答案是B，可我觉得 a pioneer journalist是作为同位语，而B选项中，岂不是成了exploits的同位语？所以不太理解，求指导。另外求翻译。谢谢。


35题
By 1940, the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, and she earned them at a time when aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be of dangerously experimental design.
A and she earned them at a time when aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be

B earning them at a time that aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be

C earning them at a time where aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were

D earned at a time in which aviation was still so niw such that many of the planes she flew were

E earned them at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were

这个题，我当时误认为earned 过去分词来表被动，修饰主语the pilot是错误的，一下子排除了DE.
如果我这样理解，分词短语不一定非要修饰主语，也可以就近修饰名词，如本题的正确答案E，earned就近修饰speed records. 而BC错在earning 离修饰的主语the pilot太远，请问这样理解对吗？谢谢！
作者: jeffery2541    时间: 2012-8-5 13:05
19题中的 a pioneer journalist做Nellie Bly的同位语没有任何问题。
同位语不一定修饰的是之前名词词组的核心词。

35题的E选项我感觉不太对。楼主在确认一下吧~
作者: eliane小小爱    时间: 2012-8-5 13:38
谢谢楼上jeffery同学。
关于同位语，你的意思是，不一定是核心词修饰，也可以说就近修饰前面出现的名词对吧。

关于35题，OG13确实选了E，OG解释是
A（我当初错选了A）too wordy,不如earned 修饰speed ecords来得直接。
B earning主语是the pilot,而不是records, 但是earning离records太近了，making this sectence hard to process(原话)；so new that many x were y,比so new for many x to be y更清晰
C where错
D 应该用when来引导；such多余
E对，earned就近修饰records;清晰的使用了so new that many x were y
作者: cd0304    时间: 2012-8-5 16:05
19题 你可以这么想。what included? 肯定不是a pioneer journalist, 而是 the exploits of Nellie Bly. 所以要先找到核心主语是什么。其次，答案B中的a pioneer journalist 不是exploits的同位语，而是Nellie Bly的同位语。（这个可能需要有语感。。。）
35题 earned的主语是speed records, not the pliot. 因为the pliot 离earn实在是有点远。。。如果真要坚持照应主语the pliot的话，应该用and she earned 更明确。（这个也可能是语感的问题）可惜，A中有明显的错误“to be”。

希望对你有点帮助。
作者: angela不怕孤单    时间: 2012-8-5 18:15
如题，希望有明白的同学现身解释下哈。
19 A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included circling the globe faster than Jules Verne’s fictional Phileas Fogg.
A A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included
B The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included
C Nellie Bly wasa pioneer journalist including in her exploits the
D Included in the pioneer journalist Nellie Bly’s exploits are
E The pioneer journalist’s exploits of Nellie Bly included


答案是B，可我觉得 a pioneer journalist是作为同位语，而B选项中，岂不是成了exploits的同位语？所以不太理解，求指导。另外求翻译。谢谢。


-- by 会员 eliane小小爱 (2012/8/5 12:52:17)


同有疑问，小有补充：
OG13 47题 In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Iliad, a work that took him seven years...此处a work作为同位语修饰his translation。
          19题 The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included... a pioneer journalist作为同位语修饰紧邻的名词 Nellie Bly。
按照manhattan语法charpter6 modifier 的讲解，touch rule:a noun and its modifier shoule touch each other.
所以，我认为，19题中的更有道理，和a pioneer journalist最近的名词是 Nellie Bly
                   而47题的疑问，还请NN帮助解答一下！大谢~
作者: angela不怕孤单    时间: 2012-8-5 18:19
如题，希望有明白的同学现身解释下哈。
19 A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included circling the globe faster than Jules Verne’s fictional Phileas Fogg.
A A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included
B The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included
C Nellie Bly wasa pioneer journalist including in her exploits the
D Included in the pioneer journalist Nellie Bly’s exploits are
E The pioneer journalist’s exploits of Nellie Bly included
答案是B，可我觉得 a pioneer journalist是作为同位语，而B选项中，岂不是成了exploits的同位语？所以不太理解，求指导。另外求翻译。谢谢。
-- by 会员 eliane小小爱 (2012/8/5 12:52:17)


翻译：一个先锋记者Nellie Bly的英勇行为包括，环游地球比 Jules Verne的虚构的Phileas Fogg更快。
求指导
作者: angela不怕孤单    时间: 2012-8-5 18:32
35题
By 1940, the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, and she earned them at a time when aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be of dangerously experimental design.
A and she earned them at a time when aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be
B earning them at a time that aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be
C earning them at a time where aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were
D earned at a time in which aviation was still so niw such that many of the planes she flew were
E earned them at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were
这个题，我当时误认为earned 过去分词来表被动，修饰主语the pilot是错误的，一下子排除了DE.
如果我这样理解，分词短语不一定非要修饰主语，也可以就近修饰名词，如本题的正确答案E，earned就近修饰speed records. 而BC错在earning 离修饰的主语the pilot太远，请问这样理解对吗？谢谢！
-- by 会员 eliane小小爱 (2012/8/5 12:52:17)


我也刚刚看过这道题，说说我的看法：
修饰语有修饰名词的和修饰动词的
此处earn修饰的不会是动词held，所以划线部分的修饰语是修饰名词的
根据position of noun modifiers--Touch Rule: A noun and its modifier shoule touch each other.
records是紧邻这个修饰语的名词，所以划线部分是修饰records
显然,records were earned at time... -->修饰语和其修饰的名词是被动关系，选用过去分词形式
一下只剩DE
如果明白以上逻辑推理，E中的them是不对的
-->E
我是看了manhattan语法，自己总结的，还请NN们多多指点~
作者: eliane小小爱    时间: 2012-8-6 10:55
谢谢楼上各位热心的同学，我大致明白了，
19题，included的主语只能是exploits；名词修饰原则是touch rule,所以不是核心词修饰，而是紧邻原则，B没有问题。
35题
还是有争议，E选项根据touch原则，records earned，而E中them确实无法解释。

关于anglea不怕孤单的问题：
OG13 47题 In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Iliad, a work that took him seven years...此处a work作为同位语修饰his translation。
这是OG12里的一道题目，a work紧邻的是Iliad是一部原著，稍微跳跃一下指代translation是没有问题的。
作者: angela不怕孤单    时间: 2012-8-6 18:33
OG13 35题
By 1940, the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen official national and international speed records, and she earned them at a time when aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be of dangerously experimental design.

A and she earned them at a time when avation was still so new for many of the planes she flew to be
B earning them at a time that aviation was still so new for many of the planes she flew were
C earning these at a time where aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were
D earned at a time in which aviation was still so new such that many of the planes she flew were
E earned at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were -->和原书比对，并无them选项
LZ给出的E选项
E earned them at a time when aviation was still so new that many of the planes she flew were
6楼的帖子打错了，
D通过 so new such that...（-->so new that...） 和 in which （-->when）可以排除
作者: jingangel    时间: 2012-8-8 18:42
E里面没有them啊。。。。。。。我想知道A怎么错了，虽然读着确实很罗嗦，可是就是不知道哪错。。。。
作者: angela不怕孤单    时间: 2012-8-9 22:01
E里面没有them啊。。。。。。。我想知道A怎么错了，虽然读着确实很罗嗦，可是就是不知道哪错。。。。
-- by 会员 jingangel (2012/8/8 18:42:30)


when后是这样的一句话：
aviation was so new for planes to be of dangerously experimental  design.
我的理解是：航空制造业对于飞机来说太新了，为了危险的实验设计。
-->og对A的评价很好：this version is too wordy and does not contribute to clarity.

我不是NN，刚看了两周语法，只能说，的确比不上E，avitaion was so new that planes were of dangerously experimental  design
作者: jeffery2541    时间: 2012-8-9 22:58
谢谢楼上jeffery同学。
关于同位语，你的意思是，不一定是核心词修饰，也可以说就近修饰前面出现的名词对吧。

关于35题，OG13确实选了E，OG解释是
A（我当初错选了A）too wordy,不如earned 修饰speed ecords来得直接。
B earning主语是the pilot,而不是records, 但是earning离records太近了，making this sectence hard to process(原话)；so new that many x were y,比so new for many x to be y更清晰
C where错
D 应该用when来引导；such多余
E对，earned就近修饰records;清晰的使用了so new that many x were y
-- by 会员 eliane小小爱 (2012/8/5 13:38:12)




你原来回复我了啊~~~~记得引用哦~

我是说你贴出来的E选项没有问题吗？
作者: antel    时间: 2012-8-9 23:04
wordy。。。。 A选项 楼上有人问A选项怎么错了的 还不清楚GMAT语法不是选对的是选 最好的吗。话说GWD里面有些题的选项多多少少都有问题 甚至有答案选 there be 这种所谓的必错题，原因就是其他题错得很离谱，而最佳答案虽然也不是完美的但是在5个选项里面是最没问题，“Best”的
作者: v20    时间: 2012-8-11 10:24
By 1940, the pilot Jacqueline Cochran held seventeen
official national and international speed records, and
she earned them at a time when aviation was still so
new for many of the planes she flew to be of
dangerously experimental design,
(A) and she earned them at a time when aviation
was still so new for many of the planes she flew
to be
(B) earning them at a time that aviation was still so
newfor many of the planes she flewto be
(C) earning these at a time where aviation was still
so newthat many of the planes she flew were
(D) earned at a time in which aviation was still so
new such that many of the planes she flew were
(E) earned at a time when aviation was still so new
that many of the planes she flew were


原题是这样的啊 E里没有them的
作者: qiuhua01234567    时间: 2012-9-6 07:50
如题，希望有明白的同学现身解释下哈。
19 A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included circling the globe faster than Jules Verne’s fictional Phileas Fogg.
A A pioneer journalist, Nellie Bly’s exploits included
B The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included
C Nellie Bly wasa pioneer journalist including in her exploits the
D Included in the pioneer journalist Nellie Bly’s exploits are
E The pioneer journalist’s exploits of Nellie Bly included


答案是B，可我觉得 a pioneer journalist是作为同位语，而B选项中，岂不是成了exploits的同位语？所以不太理解，求指导。另外求翻译。谢谢。


-- by 会员 eliane小小爱 (2012/8/5 12:52:17)



同有疑问，小有补充：
OG13 47题 In 1713, Alexander Pope began his translation of the Iliad, a work that took him seven years...此处a work作为同位语修饰his translation。
          19题 The exploits of Nellie Bly, a pioneer journalist, included... a pioneer journalist作为同位语修饰紧邻的名词 Nellie Bly。
按照manhattan语法charpter6 modifier 的讲解，touch rule:a noun and its modifier shoule touch each other.
所以，我认为，19题中的更有道理，和a pioneer journalist最近的名词是 Nellie Bly
                   而47题的疑问，还请NN帮助解答一下！大谢~
-- by 会员 angela不怕孤单 (2012/8/5 18:15:22)


虽然看晚了，希望帮的上忙。
我觉得GMAT是考逻辑的东西，没有比较死的rule。看47，你觉得Iliad可能是work嘛？现在要修饰的就是这个translation，用whic修饰？不可能，会歧义吧？用-ing分词还是-ed分词修饰？还是不可能吧？看来看去只有这里的同位语修饰比较合理点。所以逻辑上是正确的。
作者: 简单的豆    时间: 2012-9-12 23:33
能够解释下19题E为什么不对么？谢谢~
作者: EMMALIULIU    时间: 2012-12-11 00:47
能够解释下19题E为什么不对么？谢谢~
-- by 会员 简单的豆 (2012/9/12 23:33:05)



E完全改变了句意，把a pioneer journalist和Nellie Bly说成是两种人，前者exploit后者。

同样句子意思改变的是C，句子意思变得莫名其妙。。。都无从下手翻译了。。。

另外，manhattan提到，修饰语通常不能修饰所有格名词。SO，见到所有格基本可以排除。
作者: Hendy    时间: 2014-12-29 03:55
双重所有格是江湖大忌



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